Where’s Ramsey

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

The decision to stick with Riza for the last 5 or 6 games has to be potentially the worst decision Tan's made for this club. When we go down I expect the relationship between Tan and Dalman/Choo will become somewhat tested..

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Too right probably ten games ago a proper Manager would have pissed it!

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

If Abbandanato has genuinely been told that (and let's be honest, his 'journalism' has become very ropey in recent years), I'd guess he's been told by Dalman. And I'd guess it's Dalman's way of trying to absolve himself from any blame for the current mess. "I'd have brought Neil back, but Vincent wouldn't let me."

Just like he was going to smooth things over between Tan and Mackay a couple of days before Malky was sacked...

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Let's hope it's true, Warnock rides into Town, keeps us up, sweet talks Mehmet and gets himself a 2 year contract, which should take him up to 80 years of age. You would think that there aren't any other managers out there. ****ing brilliant.....😂

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

If Abbandanato has genuinely been told that (and let's be honest, his 'journalism' has become very ropey in recent years), I'd guess he's been told by Dalman. And I'd guess it's Dalman's way of trying to absolve himself from any blame for the current mess. "I'd have brought Neil back, but Vincent wouldn't let me."

Just like he was going to smooth things over between Tan and Mackay a couple of days before Malky was sacked...

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Don't disagree on standard of journalism at all and also in terms of dalman getting his excuses in now in the same way he more or less explicitly criticised and devalued Tans football knowledge when he introduced bulut as his pick and told everyone he has got his mojo back

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Let's hope it's true, Warnock rides into Town, keeps us up, sweet talks Mehmet and gets himself a 2 year contract, which should take him up to 80 years of age. You would think that there aren't any other managers out there. ****ing brilliant.....😂

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It if wasn't so painful it would be funny but this is symptomatic of the shit show that is ccfc at the moment - no leadership no plan and no visibility from those in charge at a time of crisis

Definition of madness is doing the same things and expecting different results isn't it - well we keep doing the same things and do not get different results so the asylum is well and truly taken over in my view

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Too right probably ten games ago a proper Manager would have pissed it!

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"proper" managers fail all the time. there is no guarantee we'd be any better.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

"proper" managers fail all the time. there is no guarantee we'd be any better.

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Pretty much guaranteed we wouldn't do any worse with a proper one, like a time machined Warnock from nine years ago.

Too late now though, Tan's blown it!

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Originally Posted by goats

It would hardly be on him if he took over now would it? :hehe: Christ alive this has been coming for years, even last year it was pretty obvious, a shocking goal difference a few fortunate wins bumped us up about 5/6 places higher than where we should have been. It came home to roost for tan this season though. I’d put Ramsey and Ralls in charge now, we won’t get another point otherwise. Riza has destroyed any confidence and talent out there, it’s almost laughable.

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I wouldn't bother, he's not a Manager so would it make any difference, and his first coaching role on Wiki would be coach at Cardiff when they got relegted.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

"proper" managers fail all the time. there is no guarantee we'd be any better.

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We're so bad that there's literally no risk associated with sacking Riza and getting A.N. Other for the last 4 games. It can't get any worse.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Asked by who?

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https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/ca...ation-worsens/

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Originally Posted by Rjk

"proper" managers fail all the time. there is no guarantee we'd be any better.

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Quite. Pundits have been suggesting that one of the reasons Southampton have been so bad is that they'd brought in a manager with a totally different philosophy to Russell Martin. We'd be the same. How many times have we changed the way we play because a new manager has come in? It doesn't help.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Quite. Pundits have been suggesting that one of the reasons Southampton have been so bad is that they'd brought in a manager with a totally different philosophy to Russell Martin. We'd be the same. How many times have we changed the way we play because a new manager has come in? It doesn't help.

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You think we have a philosophy.?

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Originally Posted by Hilts

You think we have a philosophy.?

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:hehe:

Admittedly I might be stretching things a bit there!

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Originally Posted by Hilts

You think we have a philosophy.?

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We don't. I think that Riza likes to start on the front foot without ever looking like we do, plenty of off target shots, it's all a bit desperate. Then we're worked out early, the opposition become comfortable, score a goal, and the Riza brings on his subs who invariably do **** all, if the subs do look lively, then Riza puts them in as starters next game, they then do **** all, and Riza puts on the players he dropped from the previous week, two of them do ok........you know the rest.......... Riza ran out of ideas at the end of November, he's nowhere near it, and neither are the players.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

We don't. I think that Riza likes to start on the front foot without ever looking like we do, plenty of off target shots, it's all a bit desperate. Then we're worked out early, the opposition become comfortable, score a goal, and the Riza brings on his subs who invariably do **** all, if the subs do look lively, then Riza puts them in as starters next game, they then do **** all, and Riza puts on the players he dropped from the previous week, two of them do ok........you know the rest.......... Riza ran out of ideas at the end of November, he's nowhere near it, and neither are the players.

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well he can't exactly magic up a bunch of additional players, he's either starting them or bringing them on, there is nobody else.

he has definitely made some peculiar subs at times, but what manager doesn't? I can recall the same thing being said of many managers over the years.

against Preston the subs he brought on scored both of our goals.

Loads of people criticised the subs against Wednesday, but before they came on Wednesday were dominant and looked like they could score again and afterwards they barely threatened.

Rizas on a hiding to nothing at the moment :hehe:

whatever substitution he makes, or starting lineup some people will hate it and say it's evidence he doesn't know what he's doing.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

well he can't exactly magic up a bunch of additional players, he's either starting them or bringing them on, there is nobody else.

he has definitely made some peculiar subs at times, but what manager doesn't? I can recall the same thing being said of many managers over the years.

against Preston the subs he brought on scored both of our goals.

Loads of people criticised the subs against Wednesday, but before they came on Wednesday were dominant and looked like they could score again and afterwards they barely threatened.

Rizas on a hiding to nothing at the moment :hehe:

whatever substitution he makes, or starting lineup some people will hate it and say it's evidence he doesn't know what he's doing.

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If you segment things, then there will always be successes and positives, even when a player has had a poor game there will be instances where that player may have done alright in a passage of play. We have to look at the whole picture, and it's ultimately failed for Riza up to now. It's his job to devise a way of playing that is affective with the players he has at his disposal, and he has rarely done that. As for the playing staff, well, i've been calling them out for 18 months, and i took some shit over it on here, because standards are low, people are biased or easily pleased. This lot are weak, soft and not very good, and i include the manager in that.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

well he can't exactly magic up a bunch of additional players, he's either starting them or bringing them on, there is nobody else.

he has definitely made some peculiar subs at times, but what manager doesn't? I can recall the same thing being said of many managers over the years.

against Preston the subs he brought on scored both of our goals.

Loads of people criticised the subs against Wednesday, but before they came on Wednesday were dominant and looked like they could score again and afterwards they barely threatened.

Rizas on a hiding to nothing at the moment :hehe:

whatever substitution he makes, or starting lineup some people will hate it and say it's evidence he doesn't know what he's doing.

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Part of a managers job, in fact a big part of it, is identifying the way he wants his team to play and having some idea of his best team and then establishing that in training and matches. That way he gets the most out of his squad and they have a clue what they are supposed to be doing. By chopping and changing tactics, starting lineups and throwing players on all over the place out of position, Riza has massively contributed to the shit we're in, IMO.

People say it's evidence he doesn't know what he's doing because he pretty clearly doesn't know what he's doing. The players aren't good enough but equally if you went into work week to week and were working in a totally different group than you were a few days ago and doing a different job in a different way, would you perform to your best you reckon?

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Originally Posted by goats

It’s too late, the Luton and Stoke games specifically, have ruined them.

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It's not too late. A point where it's too late might yet come, but it's not too late yet

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

If you segment things, then there will always be successes and positives, even when a player has had a poor game there will be instances where that player may have done alright in a passage of play. We have to look at the whole picture, and it's ultimately failed for Riza up to now. It's his job to devise a way of playing that is affective with the players he has at his disposal, and he has rarely done that. As for the playing staff, well, i've been calling them out for 18 months, and i took some shit over it on here, because standards are low, people are biased or easily pleased. This lot are weak, soft and not very good, and i include the manager in that.

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I'm not about to say that Riza has been a success, or that he should be kept on, as I don't think either thing.

I think our problems are larger than Riza and anyone thinking that if we'd just hired a "proper" manager weeks ago this would be fine.

Our defence is very leaky - and Riza inherited Tom Ramasut who is in charge of the defensive organisation
Our set pieces are bad at both ends of the pitch - these are handles by Darren Purse (who was previously the U21 manager) and Gavin Ward the GK coach.

The players seem a quiet bunch, without any real leaders on the pitch. And too many of them are prone to dropping an absolute clanger.

It's possible that another manager would have had more impact, but with the same players and same backroom staff its also possible that we would have had the same major issues.

Also even with all that going on we could easily have been clear by now with a bit of luck here and there, or a bit more mettle shown by the players.

In 2001, with two games to go, Crystal Palace sacked their manager and appointed Steve Kember with the remit of winning those two matches. If they did, they stayed up. And it worked (although both victories were against relegation rivals). So it wouldn't be unprecedented. It doesn't matter though, I doubt our board have Steve Kember's number.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I'm not about to say that Riza has been a success, or that he should be kept on, as I don't think either thing.

I think our problems are larger than Riza and anyone thinking that if we'd just hired a "proper" manager weeks ago this would be fine.

Our defence is very leaky - and Riza inherited Tom Ramasut who is in charge of the defensive organisation
Our set pieces are bad at both ends of the pitch - these are handles by Darren Purse (who was previously the U21 manager) and Gavin Ward the GK coach.

The players seem a quiet bunch, without any real leaders on the pitch. And too many of them are prone to dropping an absolute clanger.

It's possible that another manager would have had more impact, but with the same players and same backroom staff its also possible that we would have had the same major issues.

Also even with all that going on we could easily have been clear by now with a bit of luck here and there, or a bit more mettle shown by the players.

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Is Ramasut in charge of the defence?

Riza brought in Richard Shaw as defence coach didn't he?

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Is Ramasut in charge of the defence?

Riza brought in Richard Shaw as defence coach didn't he?

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And people were praising Shaw up during one of our little purple patches, saying that he must have had some input...... yeah, right.... Riza oversees the whole thing, he makes the calls, never mind Ramasut etc, who i'm sure is equally poor. The biggest problems we have iare poor concentration levels, switching off and decision making, or lack of. If Riza could get this lot of clowns to stop with the basic errors then we may have a chance, although he hasn't been able to do so up until now.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Is Ramasut in charge of the defence?

Riza brought in Richard Shaw as defence coach didn't he?

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ramasut in charge of the overall defensive setup I believe, Shaw involved with 1 to 1 coaching with individual players

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

In 2001, with two games to go, Crystal Palace sacked their manager and appointed Steve Kember with the remit of winning those two matches. If they did, they stayed up. And it worked (although both victories were against relegation rivals). So it wouldn't be unprecedented. It doesn't matter though, I doubt our board have Steve Kember's number.

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Even with just four games to go, I still reckon a good, experienced manager could keep us up. Someone with real tactical nous, and solid man-management skills - they could do it. Sadly, we don't have anyone like that, and I can't see Tan rushing out to find anyone either.
It's still possible in other ways, like Derby losing all four of their games, for example, and us scraping the points required to get past them. But judging on recent performances (like taking two points from three games we really should have won) it's not very likely. Still, we live in hope.

The Isle of Man