Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Tuerto
Sounds like he's had a good season, although none of us have seen him perform, and Perry NG was out 'Star' performer the last two seasons, so that should tell us something. I can't even remember what Adams looks like, never mind how he plays. But from what i have read, which isn't much, he's a defensive midfielder, so he would have been pretty busy 'Stopping' players this season. Fair play to him for getting six goals, he must be allowed off the leash in order to make those late runs. Lets see how good other clubs think he is with offers this summer, that's the meaure of a good player in a struggling side, same for ours as well...
he's made the most tackles in the league - 150
twice as many as the nearest Cardiff midfielder.
he's won the most tackles in the league at 99, more than twice the nearest Cardiff midfielder.
he's won the most tackles in the middle and attacking thirds of the pitch of any player.
he has the most blocks in the league at 75
chambers is the highest for Cardiff at 48
he's also in the top 10 for interceptions.
statistically at least he's had a very impressive season for defensive actions.
of course you have to take into account that derby will be defending a lot more than some sides, but even then he's making a lot more tackles than most players from those teams.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Rjk
he's made the most tackles in the league - 150
twice as many as the nearest Cardiff midfielder.
he's won the most tackles in the league at 99, more than twice the nearest Cardiff midfielder.
he's won the most tackles in the middle and attacking thirds of the pitch of any player.
he has the most blocks in the league at 75
chambers is the highest for Cardiff at 48
he's also in the top 10 for interceptions.
statistically at least he's had a very impressive season for defensive actions.
of course you have to take into account that derby will be defending a lot more than some sides, but even then he's making a lot more tackles than most players from those teams.
I’m not saying Brentford would want to sign Adams, but, given the successful way they go about their business, those are figures that would definitely get their interest if they were still in the Championship and looking for a defensive midfielder.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Rjk
he's made the most tackles in the league - 150
twice as many as the nearest Cardiff midfielder.
he's won the most tackles in the league at 99, more than twice the nearest Cardiff midfielder.
he's won the most tackles in the middle and attacking thirds of the pitch of any player.
he has the most blocks in the league at 75
chambers is the highest for Cardiff at 48
he's also in the top 10 for interceptions.
statistically at least he's had a very impressive season for defensive actions.
of course you have to take into account that derby will be defending a lot more than some sides, but even then he's making a lot more tackles than most players from those teams.
6 goals also?
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Rjk
he's made the most tackles in the league - 150
twice as many as the nearest Cardiff midfielder.
he's won the most tackles in the league at 99, more than twice the nearest Cardiff midfielder.
he's won the most tackles in the middle and attacking thirds of the pitch of any player.
he has the most blocks in the league at 75
chambers is the highest for Cardiff at 48
he's also in the top 10 for interceptions.
statistically at least he's had a very impressive season for defensive actions.
of course you have to take into account that derby will be defending a lot more than some sides, but even then he's making a lot more tackles than most players from those teams.
It would be interesting to see what Robbie savages' stats were like when he was in the premier league. I'm not criticising Adams, i don't care enough really, but the wider point i'm making is that he's just stopping the opposition, a fine attribute, and i know that someone has to do it, although there are different ways of doing it. I know that he's scored six goals, so he's obviously given license to get forward, but what does he create, because that's by far the hardest thing for any footballer, being creative. Stopping the opposition, reacting to other players is quite easy, especially with the game in front of you.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Tuerto
It would be interesting to see what Robbie savages' stats were like when he was in the premier league. I'm not criticising Adams, i don't care enough really, but the wider point i'm making is that he's just stopping the opposition, a fine attribute, and i know that someone has to do it, although there are different ways of doing it. I know that he's scored six goals, so he's obviously given license to get forward, but what does he create, because that's by far the hardest thing for any footballer, being creative. Stopping the opposition, reacting to other players is quite easy, especially with the game in front of you.
He created Derby’s goal down here by running thirty yards with the ball from halfway - we haven’t got players who make runs like that.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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the other bob wilson
He created Derby’s goal down here by running thirty yards with the ball from halfway - we haven’t got players who make runs like that.
Yes, i know, because our players are garbage. Interestingly enough, why was he allowed to run thirty yards with the ball? Good luck to Adams, i hope he gets a good move and makes some money out it, but we all know that if had been with us with the way we set up and the players around him, he'd have been crap.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Tuerto
It would be interesting to see what Robbie savages' stats were like when he was in the premier league. I'm not criticising Adams, i don't care enough really, but the wider point i'm making is that he's just stopping the opposition, a fine attribute, and i know that someone has to do it, although there are different ways of doing it. I know that he's scored six goals, so he's obviously given license to get forward, but what does he create, because that's by far the hardest thing for any footballer, being creative. Stopping the opposition, reacting to other players is quite easy, especially with the game in front of you.
Something we've not done anywhere near enough in the last two seasons, maybe more.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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PontBlue
Something we've not done anywhere near enough in the last two seasons, maybe more.
Fair enough, it's not what i like to see really, it's not a brand of football that i want to see, but that's just my personal choice. :thumbup:
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Tuerto
Adams could still end up getting relegated with Derby. Let’s see who comes in for him, that will be the measure, same for our players as well.
It’s no measure. He’s already at a big club. If Derby stay up it’s unlikely anyone will come in for him.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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The Lone Gunman
It’s no measure. He’s already at a big club. If Derby stay up it’s unlikely anyone will come in for him.
They may be a decent sized club, but they're not very good. jf a player performs well, other clubs take notice, usually better clubs, or those with higher aspirations. How else do we measure a players progress?
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Tuerto
They may be a decent sized club, but they're not very good. jf a player performs well, other clubs take notice, usually better clubs, or those with higher aspirations. How else do we measure a players progress?
Ebou Adams is 29. He was in League Two in 2022. He’s just had a very good season in the Championship. What progress are we measuring?
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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The Lone Gunman
Ebou Adams is 29. He was in League Two in 2022. He’s just had a very good season in the Championship. What progress are we measuring?
The progress that usually occurs when a player is wanted by a better club for more money, because they see him as as an asset. And it usually happens to good players. If he's been really good then there's a good chance other clubs will want him. That progress.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Tuerto
The progress that usually occurs when a player is wanted by a better club for more money, because they see him as as an asset. And it usually happens to good players. If he's been really good then there's a good chance other clubs will want him. That progress.
I’m really not sure what your angle is with this. I don’t think anyone believes Adams is a top player with the potential to go to a higher level or anything daft like that. Not even the Derby fans. He’s just a very hardworking individual with a good attitude who has had a decent season in the Championship on a personal level.
The fact that he was deemed to be not good enough for Cardiff City by our management is ironic in retrospect, especially as our midfield has been so feeble this season.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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The Lone Gunman
I’m really not sure what your angle is with this. I don’t think anyone believes Adams is a top player with the potential to go to a higher level or anything daft like that. Not even the Derby fans. He’s just a very hardworking individual with a good attitude who has had a decent season in the Championship on a personal level.
The fact that he was deemed to be not good enough for Cardiff City by our management is ironic in retrospect, especially as our midfield has been so feeble this season.
No angle, if he's been really good this year, them the measure is the market. That doesn't mean he hasn't been good for Derby, but as you know, a top 6 championship club may snap him up if he's done well. I would say that it's probably more likely that Derby's style of play suits him, and by the looks of things, it isn't very good, Although better than us. In all honesty, whether he would have been good enough for us or not is marginal in my opinion, But i suppose it's only the crumbs that we're left with.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Tuerto
No angle, if he's been really good this year, then the measure is the market.
Not often I disagree with you about football, but you’re waffling bollocks on this occasion.
There are lots of players who have had decent seasons on individual levels in the Championship this year but who’ll probably be going nowhere during the summer. Adams is one example and there are plenty of others.
Potential fees, contract length, wages, availability, personal circumstances - there are many factors that dictate whether or not players attract transfer bids or make moves. It’s not simply a matter of form.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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The Lone Gunman
Not often I disagree with you about football, but you’re waffling bollocks on this occasion.
There are lots of players who have had decent seasons on individual levels in the Championship this year but who’ll probably be going nowhere during the summer. Adams is one example and there are plenty of others.
Potential fees, contract length, wages, availability, personal circumstances - there are many factors that dictate whether or not players attract transfer bids or make moves. It’s not simply a matter of form.
All of those variables are the same for every player that is transferred to a better club, the clubs usually find a way around it. He's had a good season, no doubt, if he's been really good then other clubs will take notice. That is a measure of a players progress, and usually the measure in which footballers and football clubs live by.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
The thing about all these players is it was right to move them on. The fact they have gone on to prove themselves as championship players just goes to show to me how poorly run our team is in every regard. They should have flourished at our club but it looks like whatever goes on during the week isn't good enough either.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Tuerto
Fair enough, it's not what i like to see really, it's not a brand of football that i want to see, but that's just my personal choice. :thumbup:
But doesn’t picking a player with Adams’ particular talents enable a manager to pick an extra footballer of the type you like in their team if they’re so minded? Isn’t selection about getting the balance between artists and artisans right? To me, you pick an Adams and that could mean you could fit, say, a Koumas type and a McPhail type in your team.
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Bald Barry Bastad
The thing about all these players is it was right to move them on.
Adams never really got much of a chance here (just three Championship starts). Bulut obviously didn't fancy him, but as I said earlier, the fact that he was deemed to be not good enough for us is ironic in retrospect considering we sold him in July and our midfield has been so hopelessly weak this season.
The rest needed to go when they went. Brown has seemingly developed well following a couple of solid seasons in League One, Harris looks to be no different now to how he was when he was with us and it took Murphy a few years to rediscover his best form. Nevertheless, it's kind of typical to see these players apparently thriving at our relegation rivals while our feeble lot drop tamely into the third tier.
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Such a fuss about Adams, Siopis was much better, he helped Greece beat England at Wembley and we ditched him too.
As TLG says, he's an average player giving his all, I doubt he will get a move up.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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North Cardiff Blue
Such a fuss about Adams, Siopis was much better, he helped Greece beat England at Wembley and we ditched him too.
As TLG says, he's an average player giving his all, I doubt he will get a move up.
hes very unlikely to get a move up a league at the age of 29, but if he was 23 and posting these kind of numbers he'd be getting snapped up pretty quickly IMO.
looking back, the number of tackles he's won is higher than any player in the last 6 years (before which the data isnt as readily available).
the only player who comes close in terms of tackles won was Trai Hume at Sunderland last season, who is a defender and his tackles were mostly I. the defensive third unsurprisingly.
Hume will probably get a move to the premier League before long
