Trump Announces First Stage Of Israel Gaza Peace Deal 9th October 2025

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Why are pro Palestinian marchÂ’s still planned in the UK after the cease fire?

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Well I would imagine its to keep pressing for a Palestinian state or at least greater autonomy

I am not an expert but I would think pro Palestine marches are likely to lead to less deaths even if they continue whilst it appears the IDF are supposed to have stopped bombing

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Has there been a single post on here in cautious praise of the ending of the war from those supposedly most opposed to it yet?

Apologies if I missed it.

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Mine

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Why are pro Palestinian march’s still planned in the UK after the cease fire?

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Because Israeli forces continued to kill Palestinian civilians after announcing it.

Because the last ceasefire in late January was broken by Israel in early March (as they broke the previous ceasefires).

Because there is no plan for Israel-Palestine just a series of bullet points and pressure needs to be kept up for a genuine peace plan to appear.

Because Palestinians are not included in the process.

Because there is no genuine commitment to a Palestinian state.

Because the aid and reconstruction has to happen quickly and so far very little has happened.

Because Netanyahu is already redefining the so called plan to appease his government allies and domestic audience.

Because the remaining Israeli hostages should be released but less than 25% of Palestinian hostages (held without charge for years by military courts in conditions that often involve torture and death from abuse - including 400 children) will be. The rest stay behind the barbed wire.

Because the process is being led by Trump, Blair and Netanyahu with Starmer clapping in the wings - any sane person would want to hold them to account.

And that is just for starters!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Because Israeli forces continued to kill Palestinian civilians after announcing it.

Because the last ceasefire in late January was broken by Israel in early March (as they broke the previous ceasefires).

Because there is no plan for Israel-Palestine just a series of bullet points and pressure needs to be kept up for a genuine peace plan to appear.

Because Palestinians are not included in the process.

Because there is no genuine commitment to a Palestinian state.

Because the aid and reconstruction has to happen quickly and so far very little has happened.

Because Netanyahu is already redefining the so called plan to appease his government allies and domestic audience.

Because the remaining Israeli hostages should be released but less than 25% of Palestinian hostages (held without charge for years by military courts in conditions that often involve torture and death from abuse - including 400 children) will be. The rest stay behind the barbed wire.

Because the process is being led by Trump, Blair and Netanyahu with Starmer clapping in the wings - any sane person would want to hold them to account.

And that is just for starters!

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This seems to be taking over your life.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

This seems to be taking over your life.

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You think?

https://www.thecanary.co/skwawkbox/2...dmarsdn8syijsb

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Originally Posted by jon1959

You think?

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For sure

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Originally Posted by goats

For sure

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OK - although if that was true I would have abandoned my long weekend in the City of Culture & Curry 2025 (Bradford) for the march in London. This time Bradford won out. I’m just a part timer!

The IDF bombed Lebanon again overnight - as they have done dozens of times since agreeing to a ceasefire in November 2024.

They also put out a statement confirming they would be withdrawing to new positions that mean they will continue to occupy 50% of Gaza, but felt free to continue with attacks on Palestinians if they could justify them as ‘defensive’ - which looks like short hand for the ceasefire doesn’t apply to them.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveb...sefire-unfolds

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

This seems to be taking over your life.

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he's just answering your question isn't he? :shrug:

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Why are pro Palestinian march’s still planned in the UK after the cease fire?

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

This seems to be taking over your life.

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Hes basically thoroughly explained why he thinks the Palestine marches continue

Are you not happy with his explanation , opinion etc ?

Sludge and Delmbox. You yourselves , I, and billions of others all over the world wanted to see an end to this latest conflict, kick started this time by Hamas. As we all do the war in Ukraine, and countless others.
Against all the odds, we now have a cease fire, except in Jon 1959’ s head.
All the reasons he’s put in his answer, can still be achieved if both sides are sincere in wanting peace. Is that likely? Not going by history, but you just never know. You can’t change history, but you can’ learn from it.
I feel people like Jon 1959, and many others, would be upset if they had nothing to March or protest about.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Sludge and Delmbox. You yourselves , I, and billions of others all over the world wanted to see an end to this latest conflict, kick started this time by Hamas. As we all do the war in Ukraine, and countless others.
Against all the odds, we now have a cease fire, except in Jon 1959’ s head.
All the reasons he’s put in his answer, can still be achieved if both sides are sincere in wanting peace. Is that likely? Not going by history, but you just never know. You can’t change history, but you can’ learn from it.
I feel people like Jon 1959, and many others, would be upset if they had nothing to March or protest about.

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This is a bizarre post, I'm not sure if you're being incredibly naive or deliberately obtuse.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

All the reasons he’s put in his answer, can still be achieved if both sides are sincere in wanting peace. I

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^ by your own admission, the list of reasons in his answer as to why people are still protesting haven't been achieved yet but at the same time you can't understand why people are still protesting?

I'm incredibly thankful that there's currently a ceasefire of sorts, and although I think Trump is a sociopathic wannabe dictator I think his unique style of diplomacy is a big part why it's happened so although I wish he'd pushed 9 months ago to stop a genocide rather than fund it, I give him credit for that. But your posts take a wildly simplistic view of the situation, all the issues that existed before Oct 7th haven't been fixed by what's happened since, the last two years haven't been a blip in an otherwise stable region.

The fight for Palestinian freedom has been going on for a long long time, you might not care and that's your business, but I don't understand the sneering at someone like Jon1959 who cares about something bigger than his own 4 walls and puts his money where his mouth is by protesting etc.

And I'm sorry but your last sentence is utterly ridiculous. Maybe you only care about you and your own, or maybe you care about bigger issues but not enough to try and do your small bit to help them - that's your right and you're not alone in that (in fact you're probably in a big majority). But not everybody is built that way, and aiming potshots from the sidelines at people who give a shit about causes unrelated to them isn't something to be proud of.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

This is a bizarre post, I'm not sure if you're being incredibly naive or deliberately obtuse.



^ by your own admission, the list of reasons in his answer as to why people are still protesting haven't been achieved yet but at the same time you can't understand why people are still protesting?

I'm incredibly thankful that there's currently a ceasefire of sorts, and although I think Trump is a sociopathic wannabe dictator I think his unique style of diplomacy is a big part why it's happened so although I wish he'd pushed 9 months ago to stop a genocide rather than fund it, I give him credit for that. But your posts take a wildly simplistic view of the situation, all the issues that existed before Oct 7th haven't been fixed by what's happened since, the last two years haven't been a blip in an otherwise stable region.

The fight for Palestinian freedom has been going on for a long long time, you might not care and that's your business, but I don't understand the sneering at someone like Jon1959 who cares about something bigger than his own 4 walls and puts his money where his mouth is by protesting etc.

And I'm sorry but your last sentence is utterly ridiculous. Maybe you only care about you and your own, or maybe you care about bigger issues but not enough to try and do your small bit to help them - that's your right and you're not alone in that (in fact you're probably in a big majority). But not everybody is built that way, and aiming potshots from the sidelines at people who give a shit about causes unrelated to them isn't something to be proud of.

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It’s you who’s being naive. These protests in the UK do fu*k all to change things. If protests and march’s achieved anything other than giving the protesters an achievement of self gratification there wouldn’t be any wars or atrocities. It’s heads of states who start wars and stop wars, not protestors.
If Jon 1959 and others want to help the cause, take sabbaticals and go help the Palestinians by volunteering to help get them back on their feet.
Standing at protests and going on marches holding up banners is like pissing into the wind.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

This is a bizarre post, I'm not sure if you're being incredibly naive or deliberately obtuse.



^ by your own admission, the list of reasons in his answer as to why people are still protesting haven't been achieved yet but at the same time you can't understand why people are still protesting?

I'm incredibly thankful that there's currently a ceasefire of sorts, and although I think Trump is a sociopathic wannabe dictator I think his unique style of diplomacy is a big part why it's happened so although I wish he'd pushed 9 months ago to stop a genocide rather than fund it, I give him credit for that. But your posts take a wildly simplistic view of the situation, all the issues that existed before Oct 7th haven't been fixed by what's happened since, the last two years haven't been a blip in an otherwise stable region.

The fight for Palestinian freedom has been going on for a long long time, you might not care and that's your business, but I don't understand the sneering at someone like Jon1959 who cares about something bigger than his own 4 walls and puts his money where his mouth is by protesting etc.

And I'm sorry but your last sentence is utterly ridiculous. Maybe you only care about you and your own, or maybe you care about bigger issues but not enough to try and do your small bit to help them - that's your right and you're not alone in that (in fact you're probably in a big majority). But not everybody is built that way, and aiming potshots from the sidelines at people who give a shit about causes unrelated to them isn't something to be proud of.

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I’m guessing you’re what, in your 50’s? Maybe 60’s? Have you genuinely never in your decades alive never felt strongly enough about something that you’ve felt the need to make your feelings heard about it in a public protest?

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Standing at protests and going on marches holding up banners is like pissing into the wind.

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That is a very popular point of view from armchair commentators. I disagree - although I don't do as much as I should.

In my opinion the Gaza protests in the UK, USA, across Europe, the Global South and many other countries like Canada and Australia, have moved the international dial from unquestioning support for a genocide to qualified opposition or criticism. They have put enormous pressure on some influential politicians - in the UK the Tories probably didn't care or pay attention (they were on an electoral death spiral whatever Sunak, Jenrick or Braverman said as Israeli cheerleaders).

But Starmer, Lammy, Cooper and friends have seen support leaking away because of their stance on Israel-Palestine and that eventually forced some changes. True it didn't stop the government supplying arms and fly-over intelligence, trade or diplomatic cover - but it forced a change on aid and recognition. The national and local protests and demonstrations have crystallised the opposition to Starmer. He will pay a big electoral price.

The demonstrations have also provided a time and space for people to get together and share experiences and ideas. They have provided a platform for evryone from Jewish anti Zionists to surgeons returning from Gaza hospitals to speak to very big crowds and get their message out.

Most important they have shown people living through the genocide that they are not alone - and whenever they are able (when communications aren't jammed) many say how important it is to know that the world has not turned its back on their starvation, displacement, arbitrary arrest, lack of power, clean water and medicines, and their mass murder by an occupying army. That matters.

If you think it is just pissing in the wind, that is your choice. But not mine!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

That is a very popular point of view from armchair commentators. I disagree - although I don't do as much as I should.

In my opinion the Gaza protests in the UK, USA, across Europe, the Global South and many other countries like Canada and Australia, have moved the international dial from unquestioning support for a genocide to qualified opposition or criticism. They have put enormous pressure on some influential politicians - in the UK the Tories probably didn't care or pay attention (they were on an electoral death spiral whatever Sunak, Jenrick or Braverman said as Israeli cheerleaders).

But Starmer, Lammy, Cooper and friends have seen support leaking away because of their stance on Israel-Palestine and that eventually forced some changes. True it didn't stop the government supplying arms and fly-over intelligence, trade or diplomatic cover - but it forced a change on aid and recognition. The national and local protests and demonstrations have crystallised the opposition to Starmer. He will pay a big electoral price.

The demonstrations have also provided a time and space for people to get together and share experiences and ideas. They have provided a platform for evryone from Jewish anti Zionists to surgeons returning from Gaza hospitals to speak to very big crowds and get their message out.

Most important they have shown people living through the genocide that they are not alone - and whenever they are able (when communications aren't jammed) many say how important it is to know that the world has not turned its back on their starvation, displacement, arbitrary arrest, lack of power, clean water and medicines, and their mass murder by an occupying army. That matters.

If you think it is just pissing in the wind, that is your choice. But not mine!

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Put why we march a thousand times better than I could, I think I’ll go back to letting you do the arguing :hehe:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

That is a very popular point of view from armchair commentators. I disagree - although I don't do as much as I should.

In my opinion the Gaza protests in the UK, USA, across Europe, the Global South and many other countries like Canada and Australia, have moved the international dial from unquestioning support for a genocide to qualified opposition or criticism. They have put enormous pressure on some influential politicians - in the UK the Tories probably didn't care or pay attention (they were on an electoral death spiral whatever Sunak, Jenrick or Braverman said as Israeli cheerleaders).

But Starmer, Lammy, Cooper and friends have seen support leaking away because of their stance on Israel-Palestine and that eventually forced some changes. True it didn't stop the government supplying arms and fly-over intelligence, trade or diplomatic cover - but it forced a change on aid and recognition. The national and local protests and demonstrations have crystallised the opposition to Starmer. He will pay a big electoral price.

The demonstrations have also provided a time and space for people to get together and share experiences and ideas. They have provided a platform for evryone from Jewish anti Zionists to surgeons returning from Gaza hospitals to speak to very big crowds and get their message out.

Most important they have shown people living through the genocide that they are not alone - and whenever they are able (when communications aren't jammed) many say how important it is to know that the world has not turned its back on their starvation, displacement, arbitrary arrest, lack of power, clean water and medicines, and their mass murder by an occupying army. That matters.

If you think it is just pissing in the wind, that is your choice. But not mine!

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“Unquestioning support for a genocide” Absolute nonsense, that you seem quite willing to spout.
When Hamas carried out their attack 2 yrs ago, Israel could have wiped out Palestinians in one fell swoop. They didn’t. They did inevitably retaliate though. Were you out marching protesting about the Hamas attack then?
You also attempted to say Israel are still attacking the Palestinians today!!!
Again, absolute nonsense.
There is a Pro Palestinian March in London today, where arrests are being made after trouble between protesters and anti protesters.
The day after a cease fire. You couldn’t make it up.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Put why we march a thousand times better than I could, I think I’ll go back to letting you do the arguing :hehe:

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You seem easily impressed with word salad.

Whilst the CCMB massive continue to throw the toys out at the wrong person doing something to stop the Genocide,
Maria Corina Machado offers the adult version of events. It's OK boys you'll get your moment of I told you so, i doubt very much
that the ceasefire will last, carry on with the marching :thumbup:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨 BREAKING: Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Corina Machado says President Trump DESERVES IT. Liberals are about to fume.<br><br>&quot;I decided to dedicate it to President Trump because he deserves it! Because not only has he been involved in only a few months in solving 8 wars, but his… <a href="https://t.co/GEKZ6bsxpc">pic.twitter.com/GEKZ6bsxpc</a></p>&mdash; Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) <a href="https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/1977016922131619944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

“Unquestioning support for a genocide” Absolute nonsense, that you seem quite willing to spout.
When Hamas carried out their attack 2 yrs ago, Israel could have wiped out Palestinians in one fell swoop. They didn’t. They did inevitably retaliate though. Were you out marching protesting about the Hamas attack then?
You also attempted to say Israel are still attacking the Palestinians today!!!
Again, absolute nonsense.
There is a Pro Palestinian March in London today, where arrests are being made after trouble between protesters and anti protesters.
The day after a cease fire. You couldn’t make it up.

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But you did.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

You seem easily impressed with word salad.

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Quite.

You never replied to this

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I’m guessing you’re what, in your 50’s? Maybe 60’s? Have you genuinely never in your decades alive never felt strongly enough about something that you’ve felt the need to make your feelings heard about it in a public protest?

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genuinely curious

A review of some of the 'pissing in the wind':

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...and-resistance

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

It’s you who’s being naive. These protests in the UK do fu*k all to change things. If protests and march’s achieved anything other than giving the protesters an achievement of self gratification there wouldn’t be any wars or atrocities. It’s heads of states who start wars and stop wars, not protestors.
If Jon 1959 and others want to help the cause, take sabbaticals and go help the Palestinians by volunteering to help get them back on their feet.
Standing at protests and going on marches holding up banners is like pissing into the wind.

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I'm amazed these marches affect you so strongly. If you don't like them you can steer clear. I thought you might instead be impressed by the humanity of the support for needless death and suffering. I am, it's so refreshing and heartwarming.

By the way if there were clashes on the march today what on Earth were anti protesters (what the Hell are they supposed to be?) turning up? Clearly only with a mind to invite trouble which it seems they managed to achieve.