FT: ROMANIA 2 - 1 WALES. Match thread

His second year has been a dissappointment

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Bellamy is going to start coming under pressure. We should be doing better. Neco Williams, Ethan Ampadu and Harry Wilson all players of the season at their top flight clubs. Darlow, Rodon and Brooks all playing regularly in the top flight. Dan James and Brennan Johnson getting decent game time too. Promising youngsters lihe Jordan James and Dylan Lawlor. That's a solid base but we are going backwards.

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

His second year has been a dissappointment

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I can see him walking, he’s looking for perfection, but it’s just not happening

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Bellamy is going to start coming under pressure. We should be doing better. Neco Williams, Ethan Ampadu and Harry Wilson all players of the season at their top flight clubs. Darlow, Rodon and Brooks all playing regularly in the top flight. Dan James and Brennan Johnson getting decent game time too. Promising youngsters lihe Jordan James and Dylan Lawlor. That's a solid base but we are going backwards.

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Bellamy is too wedded to his football philosophy, his belief in his systems done him against Bosnia as it did last night.

Football wise he'll die on that hill as I don't see him changing?

A little bit of pragmatism when managing games wouldn't go amiss?

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

Bellamy is too wedded to his football philosophy, his belief in his systems done him against Bosnia as it did last night.

Football wise he'll die on that hill as I don't see him changing?

A little bit of pragmatism when managing games wouldn't go amiss?

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I would agree with that, but i just get this strange feeling about Bellamy. It's like he's installing his newer less oppressed character out onto the football pitch through this group of players and by changing it would maybe feel to his that he's not being honest or authentic.

That probably sounds like bollocks, and it probably is, but i think that Bellamy is quite a complex individual. He's very honest, he always has been, although his honesty now is more measured and less angry. I don't know where i'm going with this post, but for a time i really did think that Bellamy was putting on a bit of an act, convince himself, convince everyone else along the way. I don't believe that now, i think that he's a troubled person, or has been, and Honesty and Authenticity at the forefront of his recovery. I think that we see rhat with his tactics and when he's being interviewed or sat in a press conference. He seems to lay things bare.

He reminds me a bit of Tony Adams, although not so extreme. Whe Adams came out as an Alcohilic something almost evangelical happened to him. He was ridiculously honest about himself in the present and the past. He would go at length to explain himself, wouldn't shirk a question or his failings, it was like the Trauma of addiction and all of the Psychological stuff he'd been through had to be cleansed through his actions. I see similarities with Bellamy.

Just to add, it's very likely that i'm completely wrong about all of this, because i generally don't have a ****ing clue about stuff like this :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I would agree with that, but i just get this strange feeling about Bellamy. It's like he's installing his newer less oppressed character out onto the football pitch through this group of players and by changing it would maybe feel to his that he's not being honest or authentic.

That probably sounds like bollocks, and it probably is, but i think that Bellamy is quite a complex individual. He's very honest, he always has been, although his honesty now is more measured and less angry. I don't know where i'm going with this post, but for a time i really did think that Bellamy was putting on a bit of an act, convince himself, convince everyone else along the way. I don't believe that now, i think that he's a troubled person, or has been, and Honesty and Authenticity at the forefront of his recovery. I think that we see rhat with his tactics and when he's being interviewed or sat in a press conference. He seems to lay things bare.

He reminds me a bit of Tony Adams, although not so extreme. Whe Adams came out as an Alcohilic something almost evangelical happened to him. He was ridiculously honest about himself in the present and the past. He would go at length to explain himself, wouldn't shirk a question or his failings, it was like the Trauma of addiction and all of the Psychological stuff he'd been through had to be cleansed through his actions. I see similarities with Bellamy.

Just to add, it's very likely that i'm completely wrong about all of this, because i generally don't have a ****ing clue about stuff like this :hehe:

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If you read his rather honest autobiography, he was racked with self-doubt as a player. Maturity has enabled him to have a bit of a different perspective, no doubt.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I would agree with that, but i just get this strange feeling about Bellamy. It's like he's installing his newer less oppressed character out onto the football pitch through this group of players and by changing it would maybe feel to his that he's not being honest or authentic.

That probably sounds like bollocks, and it probably is, but i think that Bellamy is quite a complex individual. He's very honest, he always has been, although his honesty now is more measured and less angry. I don't know where i'm going with this post, but for a time i really did think that Bellamy was putting on a bit of an act, convince himself, convince everyone else along the way. I don't believe that now, i think that he's a troubled person, or has been, and Honesty and Authenticity at the forefront of his recovery. I think that we see rhat with his tactics and when he's being interviewed or sat in a press conference. He seems to lay things bare.

He reminds me a bit of Tony Adams, although not so extreme. Whe Adams came out as an Alcohilic something almost evangelical happened to him. He was ridiculously honest about himself in the present and the past. He would go at length to explain himself, wouldn't shirk a question or his failings, it was like the Trauma of addiction and all of the Psychological stuff he'd been through had to be cleansed through his actions. I see similarities with Bellamy.

Just to add, it's very likely that i'm completely wrong about all of this, because i generally don't have a ****ing clue about stuff like this :hehe:

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'Coach' Bellamy is a much more interesting, likeable character than the 'player' version.

I can actually listen to him do his interviews and thought his stints as a pundit showed him to be knowledgeable and a good communicator.

He's obviously matured, grown up and appears a lot more reflective than the angry little bugger he appeared as a player.

I agree with you, I did wonder initially if he had styled himself as 'Born again Bellers' as an audition for career progress. I think he's 100% genuine and he'll stick to his beliefs. The problem being he'll see any pragmatism as a betrayal of his philosophy or weakness.

Personally, football wise, a bit of game management wouldn't go amiss.

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Bellamy is going to start coming under pressure. We should be doing better. Neco Williams, Ethan Ampadu and Harry Wilson all players of the season at their top flight clubs. Darlow, Rodon and Brooks all playing regularly in the top flight. Dan James and Brennan Johnson getting decent game time too. Promising youngsters lihe Jordan James and Dylan Lawlor. That's a solid base but we are going backwards.

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The pressure is already being applied, on here anyway :hehe:

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

I can see him walking, he’s looking for perfection, but it’s just not happening

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Yup me too

Football can be bloody simple if you can deliver quality balls into the box and defend them well enough.

Romania's delivery was quality almost every time. We looped long balls to the back post which Earnshaw was right on comms, you aren't scoring from directly.

On another point, Kieffer Moore is finished

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Originally Posted by Trigger

Football can be bloody simple if you can deliver quality balls into the box and defend them well enough.

Romania's delivery was quality almost every time. We looped long balls to the back post which Earnshaw was right on comms, you aren't scoring from directly.

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I'm glad you mentioned Earnie, because I reckon he's a decent pundit, he spots little things that a lot of football fans probably can't see. I only watched around 20 minutes of the game against Romania, but during that time Earnshaw picked up on a couple of little things that players did, intricate intelligent moments.
People have a go at him on here for whatever reason, they don't like his accent, he talks to much etc, although they can put the TV on mute or watch the game without commentary if they so wish. Plenty of pundits try a bit hard in my opinion, but is it really that bad?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I'm glad you mentioned Earnie, because I reckon he's a decent pundit, he spots little things that a lot of football fans probably can't see. I only watched around 20 minutes of the game against Romania, but during that time Earnshaw picked up on a couple of little things that players did, intricate intelligent moments.
People have a go at him on here for whatever reason, they don't like his accent, he talks to much etc, although they can put the TV on mute or watch the game without commentary if they so wish. Plenty of pundits try a bit hard in my opinion, but is it really that bad?

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He could probably learn to pause a little, least he knows the game though and has largely been there, something you can't really teach to a few others.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

I switched on watched Ampadu demand the ball from the keeper with nobody within 10 yards and he passed it back to a centre back and switched back off.

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That's a tactic they use at Leeds. I've also wondered why they do it, and somebody should ask Farke about it. My guess is it introduces an element of unpredictability when playing out from the back, while the variations in passing patterns cause confusion and creates doubt about who to press, etc.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I'm glad you mentioned Earnie, because I reckon he's a decent pundit, he spots little things that a lot of football fans probably can't see. I only watched around 20 minutes of the game against Romania, but during that time Earnshaw picked up on a couple of little things that players did, intricate intelligent moments.
People have a go at him on here for whatever reason, they don't like his accent, he talks to much etc, although they can put the TV on mute or watch the game without commentary if they so wish. Plenty of pundits try a bit hard in my opinion, but is it really that bad?

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I’ve moaned about Earnie as a co commentator a few times on here in the past, but Ithought the same as you last night - there were some good insights from him and I was impressed even if he did carry on a bit much. Mind you, even that has it’s good side as it meant we heard less of Simon Davies :hehe:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I’ve moaned about Earnie as a co commentator a few times on here in the past, but Ithought the same as you last night - there were some good insights from him and I was impressed even if he did carry on a bit much. Mind you, even that has it’s good side as it meant we heard less of Simon Davies :hehe:

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I think his personality shows through, tinged with a bit of media training and probably trying a little too hard to sound clever, although he's not they type I can get than angry about it I'm honest. I quite like him, even though he dresses like a 20 year old, although I suppose he can get away with it😃

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I think his personality shows through, tinged with a bit of media training and probably trying a little too hard to sound clever, although he's not they type I can get than angry about it I'm honest. I quite like him, even though he dresses like a 20 year old, although I suppose he can get away with it

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Being a Wales football pundit is quite niche and the bar isn't set too high. On a side note, how many ex-players truly understand the game anyway? The number who make it into management and coaching is pretty low, and some of those make a complete mess of it.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Being a Wales football pundit is quite niche and the bar isn't set too high. On a side note, how many ex-players truly understand the game anyway? The number who make it into management and coaching is pretty low, and some of those make a complete mess of it.

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In my opinion,i don't think that many footballers study the game or actually care about it, it's a job The few i know or knew have little interest in football after playing.

One thing i will say is that an ex pro can see what a player is trying to do, or when a team mate doesn't do something to help the person in possession. A situation where us as fans may blame the player with the ball, but in fact, his team mate didn't make the run needed or didn't pull a defender away etc I suppose that any one of us who do a job for a long period of time will understand it better than those that don't.