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Rjk
If they hate women?
I don’t hate women. I’m sat with my adult daughter now watching her choice, Love Island on Sky Q. I spend every Wednesday night with my wife’s darts team. Most of my working life has been spent with women, working in teaching, psychology and politics. So stop trying to smear me.
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severncity
I don’t like women’s demands that men’s football should subsidise their sport - where does that happen and why don't you like it? Is it not good for girls and women to take part in sport?
Would men's football subsidising getting girls interested in football worse for you than them spending £100k a week on wages?
I don’t like the oft-made assertion that women’s teams could compete with men’s teams - who has ever said this?
I hope that women’s football flourishes and makes loads of money from ticket sales, sponsorship and TV money. Somehow though. I don’t think it will happen because the product is nowhere near the standard of say, the Welsh Premier League. - If you read that article I posted you'll see the Women's Premier League has just got a huge sponsorship deal and there have recently been women's matches with attendances of ~60,000. Is this a bad thing even if it did have a leg up from the men's game?
Even if all this is wrong, is it normal to be so vitriolic about women's football just because you don't like it?
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severncity
I would love to see a match between a lower league men’s team and a World XI women’s team. I wouldn’t like any women to be injured but it would probably happen.
Why are you so desperate to see a man's team beat a woman's team? So you can show all those people that are enjoying the world cup that they shouldn't? Such a weird, angry point of view :shrug:
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severncity
There’s so much virtue-signalling from male football fans over the WWC. The standard is that of 12 year-old boys. Very skilful 12 year-old boys admittedly.
When France scored their third against South Korea (the kind of goal Thierry Henry was famous for scoring) the commentator (I think that it was Barry Davies] shrieked like he had won the lottery while having an orgasm. Yes, it was a decent strike but the ball was travelling at about 30 mph and curled almost imperceptibly.
Can you imagine a match between, say, Newport County and one of these women’s teams. If the men went at it full throttle each tackle would likely dislocate joints and/or break limbs. Speed is crucial in football and given that men are 15% quicker than women the men would run rings round the women, both figuratively and literally.
I would love it, LOVE IT if such a match could be played.
You could have stopped typing and saved yourself some time by ending your message after five words - like "snowflake", the use of the term "virtue signalling" In a thread about women's football tells you everything you need to know about someone's opinion on the subject.
Barry Davies is 81 and, apart from one game in 2014 as part of the celebration of Match of the Day's fiftieth anniversary, last commentated on a football match for the BBC in 2006.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
You could have stopped typing and saved yourself some time by ending your message after five words - like "snowflake", the use of the term "virtue signalling" In a thread about women's football tells you everything you need to know about someone's opinion on the subject.
Barry Davies is 81 and, apart from one game in 2014 as part of the celebration of Match of the Day's fiftieth anniversary, last commentated on a football match for the BBC in 2006.
Well whoever the commentator was he went overboard with his praise.
Virtue signalling means pretending to be more enthusiastic about a (progessive) cause/event than you really are to gain kudos from like-minded people. Many people do it and it betrays a certain mindset that I find rather sad. It is actually quite dishonest.
I remember watching the 2011 World Cup and being elated that the incredibly skilful play of the Japanese team was rewarded with the ultimate prize. I had no one to discuss the matches with as nobody I knew watched the tournament. However I had no desire to tell all and sundry about it on social media/the WWW because, in the final analysis, women's football just isn't very good compared to the men's game.
If anyone of the posters who disagree with my opinion think that they are affecting me in any way by piling on, please understand that I find your viewpoints and debating styles utterly laughable.
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I really do not get the constant " knocking " of girls / ladies football on forums, Yes the skill-set is far from the mens game, but the ladies football really doesnt have the same amount of cash spent on it and is very much in its infancy , the mens game has progressed as far as it will, in 20 years maybe the ladies game will catch up and close the gap
lets enjoy it for what it is, a game of football played by people who love to play the game, it shouldnt be a competition between which game is the better, they are 2 separate entities
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Originally Posted by
severncity
Well whoever the commentator was he went overboard with his praise.
Virtue signalling means pretending to be more enthusiastic about a (progessive) cause/event than you really are to gain kudos from like-minded people. Many people do it and it betrays a certain mindset that I find rather sad. It is actually quite dishonest.
I remember watching the 2011 World Cup and being elated that the incredibly skilful play of the Japanese team was rewarded with the ultimate prize. I had no one to discuss the matches with as nobody I knew watched the tournament. However I had no desire to tell all and sundry about it on social media/the WWW because, in the final analysis, women's football just isn't very good compared to the men's game.
If anyone of the posters who disagree with my opinion think that they are affecting me in any way by piling on, please understand that I find your viewpoints and debating styles utterly laughable.
Everyone knows what virtue signalling means, it's more the fact that only one type of person uses that phrase ever.
No one is piling on you people are just questioning your opinion and you haven't answered anyone with a straight answer.
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blue matt
I really do not get the constant " knocking " of girls / ladies football on forums, Yes the skill-set is far from the mens game, but the ladies football really doesnt have the same amount of cash spent on it and is very much in its infancy , the mens game has progressed as far as it will, in 20 years maybe the ladies game will catch up and close the gap
lets enjoy it for what it is, a game of football played by people who love to play the game, it shouldnt be a competition between which game is the better, they are 2 separate entities
:thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
severncity
Well whoever the commentator was he went overboard with his praise.
I remember watching the 2011 World Cup and being elated that the incredibly skilful play of the Japanese team was rewarded with the ultimate prize. I had no one to discuss the matches with as nobody I knew watched the tournament. However I had no desire to tell all and sundry about it on social media/the WWW because, in the final analysis, women's football just isn't very good compared to the men's game.
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This whole bit would make more sense if you weren't attacking people for doing it on a forum that specifically exists to discuss football :facepalm:
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It’s quite pathetic comparing Women’s football to men’s. Why do some people constantly do it?
Just enjoy it for what it is, or don’t watch it if you don’t like it.
It’s as daft as comparing different men’s sports.
A top 10 tennis player would hammer a top 10 squash player at tennis, and vice versa.
The world 8 ball champion would hammer Judd Trump at 8 ball and vice versa etc etc.
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
the mens game has progressed as far as it will, in 20 years maybe the ladies game will catch up and close the gap
Perhaps less: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.m...t-14993123.amp
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Originally Posted by
Baloo
There was a team with 4 girls in it at U15 level a few years ago in my boys league.
We had to tell the boys to go easy and to respect the girls. The girls were playing at a very high standard and were apparently representing districts and 2 had played for Wales at some level - their parents told us.
We played the attackers in defence and defenders up front - we also put the goalkeeper up front
The referee also warned our kids not to go in rough as he would give fouls for any physicality - he also blew up early when it got to 15 nil.
The girls parents thanked us at the end for our boys not giving any verbal crap to the girls on the pitch as apparently some of the teams kids had been 'rude' to the girls on the pitch.
I hated it and so did the boys - it was a farce.
I have sponsored girls teams and have watched/supported local girls teams over the years and I continue to do so
The standard is at best awful but it is good for girls to have competitive sport.
I would not watch it on TV as I find it tedious - I find people who say it should be be equal to mens/boys football don't actually watch it but say it to appear 'right on'
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I don't get why people need to be so aggressive towards those who don't think women's football is much fun. Women's football will never reach the level of men's because of the physical difference between the two. I wish women well and hope more of them will enjoy this great sport but women's football will never reach the level of men's football.
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William Treseder
It’s quite pathetic comparing Women’s football to men’s. Why do some people constantly do it?
Like the women themselves who think they deserve the same wages as the top men’s players?
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binman
There was a team with 4 girls in it at U15 level a few years ago in my boys league.
We had to tell the boys to go easy and to respect the girls. The girls were playing at a very high standard and were apparently representing districts and 2 had played for Wales at some level - their parents told us.
We played the attackers in defence and defenders up front - we also put the goalkeeper up front
The referee also warned our kids not to go in rough as he would give fouls for any physicality - he also blew up early when it got to 15 nil.
The girls parents thanked us at the end for our boys not giving any verbal crap to the girls on the pitch as apparently some of the teams kids had been 'rude' to the girls on the pitch.
I hated it and so did the boys - it was a farce.
I have sponsored girls teams and have watched/supported local girls teams over the years and I continue to do so
The standard is at best awful but it is good for girls to have competitive sport.
I would not watch it on TV as I find it tedious - I find people who say it should be be equal to mens/boys football don't actually watch it but say it to appear 'right on'
I’ve seen quite a few games at Women’s National League Level too, but do we really need to labour the point that it’s a long way behind the men’s game. That’s so obvious that we don’t really even need to select a men’s team just for the sheer enjoyment of watching them being put in their place as discussed in this thread. Right on?
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The Bob Banker Spanker
Like the women themselves who think they deserve the same wages as the top men’s players?
Personally I think there’s a load of male footballers who’s wage should be dropped down to the women’s level.
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Originally Posted by
binman
There was a team with 4 girls in it at U15 level a few years ago in my boys league.
We had to tell the boys to go easy and to respect the girls. The girls were playing at a very high standard and were apparently representing districts and 2 had played for Wales at some level - their parents told us.
We played the attackers in defence and defenders up front - we also put the goalkeeper up front
The referee also warned our kids not to go in rough as he would give fouls for any physicality - he also blew up early when it got to 15 nil.
The girls parents thanked us at the end for our boys not giving any verbal crap to the girls on the pitch as apparently some of the teams kids had been 'rude' to the girls on the pitch.
I hated it and so did the boys - it was a farce.
I have sponsored girls teams and have watched/supported local girls teams over the years and I continue to do so
The standard is at best awful but it is good for girls to have competitive sport.
I would not watch it on TV as I find it tedious - I find people who say it should be be equal to mens/boys football don't actually watch it but say it to appear 'right on'
this is where is needs to change right at the bottom at grassroots level, If a boy and girl start playing the game at U7 and have the same level of coaching the difference will not be so massive when they hit U15 , yes the boys will be slightly quicker, and have more of the physical presence, but the skill set will be very similar
I could counter your story by one i have seen this season, a U12 girls team from near swindon would give many U12 boys team a game, the coach is a Dev coach from swindon town ( and a nice bloke ) and he has coached this girls team for over 5 years now, they are a very good team
but of course this is a one-off, i accept that, but as i said before, the 2 games are not comparable, one is very much in its infancy
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
It’s quite pathetic comparing Women’s football to men’s. Why do some people constantly do it?
Just enjoy it for what it is, or don’t watch it if you don’t like it.
It’s as daft as comparing different men’s sports.
A top 10 tennis player would hammer a top 10 squash player at tennis, and vice versa.
The world 8 ball champion would hammer Judd Trump at* 8 ball and vice versa etc etc.
It is interesting why people do compare, and I know a few.
Here's a theory, topical too...
Almost all men in the top 100 would beat Serena Williams (or whoever is No. 1 these days).
Yet the prize money for this year's Wimbledon singles is the same for the women's winner and the men's winner.
It could be argued that this is a bit unfair, especially as the men play a minimum of three sets per match and the women a maximum of three.
The fairer sex had battled to receive their "fair" share of the spoils for ages and won. Good luck to them!
However, perhaps (I'm guessing here) people are thinking that there may be similar parity in the coming years in football?
Of course there is always the possibility that these people have a female boss :sherlock:
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Originally Posted by
MacAdder
It is interesting why people do compare, and I know a few.
Here's a theory, topical too...
Almost all men in the top 100 would beat Serena Williams (or whoever is No. 1 these days).
Yet the prize money for this year's Wimbledon singles is the same for the women's winner and the men's winner.
It could be argued that this is a bit unfair, especially as the men play a minimum of three sets per match and the women a maximum of three.
The fairer sex had battled to receive their "fair" share of the spoils for ages and won. Good luck to them!
However, perhaps (I'm guessing here) people are thinking that there may be similar parity in the coming years in football?
Of course there is always the possibility that these people have a female boss :sherlock:
Women's football deserve the same pay as men the day they attract the same crowds, same sponsorship and same interest levels.
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3 Irons on my shirt
Jules Rimet needs cleaning!
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As many people pay to see Serena Williams as pay to see Rafa Nadal. So why shouldn't she get the same money?
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NYCBlue
As many people pay to see Serena Williams as pay to see Rafa Nadal. So why shouldn't she get the same money?
Because she doesn't do as much work. simples!
Navratilova once said that women were worth the equal money even without playing 5 sets, just for the bitchiness and gossip they generated (or owrds to that effect). She must know lots that I never heard. But to be fair I think its only in the grand slam tournaments the men play 5 isn't it?
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xsnaggle
Because she doesn't do as much work. simples!
Navratilova once said that women were worth the equal money even without playing 5 sets, just for the bitchiness and gossip they generated (or owrds to that effect). She must know lots that I never heard. But to be fair I think its only in the grand slam tournaments the men play 5 isn't it?
Is it just about how long the matches are and how much work they put in? They don't get paid per set or per minute.
A good two hour match is far better than a seven hour tedious marathon.
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I think women tennis players deserve the same level of pay but women's footballers don't. They are a long way off deserving that. If ever.
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Pity the poor man who’s had the Women’s World Cup shoved down his throat
Once again I am hugely grateful to the community that will not allow us to forget the great under-reported story of this Women’s World Cup: men. Most specifically, the men who are not watching it. We hear so much about the tournament itself. Too much, it is argued – and at the expense of one of the four great civil rights questions of our era: 1) When are we getting a White History Month? 2) When is International Men’s Day? 3) Isn’t it time we had Straight Pride? and 4) Can you imagine how sexist people would say it was if we had a men’s World Cup?
I could not agree more with the gentlemen who dare to ask these questions – and not just so that I can buy time while I frantically locate the exit. Indeed, as part of this column’s tireless commitment to celebrating the underdogs, this week let’s redress the dangerous cosmic imbalance caused by the Women’s World Cup. Here follows a celebration of all the different guys who currently need to explain to you – at length – why they aren’t watching it. As always, you don’t have to be a woman to have met some of these men over the past week. But it certainly helps!
Women's World Cup match attracts bigger TV audience than cricket
Mr Stop Shoving It Down My Throat
Listen, this guy is absolutely fine with this tournament existing, being alive, whatever. He’s open-minded – it’s not the dark ages any more. Nothing against it. What he objects to – and he’d like you to know that you’ll find a lot of other perfectly decent people like him – is it being “shoved down his throat”. Yes, it’s the shoving. Down the throat. It’s like: fine. I’m happy for you to do your football in the privacy of your own wherever, but please: have some sensitivity and realise that not all people are like you. So basically just don’t do it in front of him, or involve him. Seriously: don’t involve him.
Also don’t do it near his kids, especially the girl. For reference, ways that it can be shoved down his throat include “being on TV” and “being on a website he normally looks at”, for instance that of the British Broadcasting Corporation, which, by covering a sport that averaged 4.6 million viewers on Sunday night for England’s game against Scotland, is pursuing a right-on agenda. Actually, let’s be real for a minute: no one wants to see this. Put it away.
Mr I’m Being Branded Sexist
This guy is fairly sure he’s being “branded sexist” for not watching the Women’s World Cup. I think if you need to ask “by who, specifically?” then in a very strong but also abstract sense you’re part of the problem. He is definitely getting this definite feeling that he is being made to feel sexist. It’s all part of an agenda. No, he’d rather not continue this conversation. He can’t win, because you just can’t say anything these days.
Mr Inferior Product
Nothing but respect for the guy who declares “the game’s gone” about every tiny piece of commercialisation in men’s football, but falls over himself to describe the women’s game as “an inferior product”. I mean, on the one hand, a reminder: if you refer to football as either “product” or “content” – ever – you are an endless wanker. No exceptions. But on the other: I’m sure it felt like an interesting point when you made it. Your points are not inferior products: keep producing them to surplus.
Mr I Prefer Parks
No one more than me wants to help the guy whose chief point about the 2019 World Cup is: “I would so much rather watch parks football on a Sunday morning.” I would also rather he did this.
Mr Stop Telling Me It’s Massive When It’s Really Not
Totally. But dude: read that one over and then probably just delete it. I know you’d hate for anyone to take it out of context. And that’s what they do; they take things out of context and then they twist what you say.
Mr I Always Support England
Always supports England, no matter what. No one loves his country more than him. But this isn’t “England” by any reasonable yardstick. Which bit of England do they represent then? Not a bit he recognises.
Mr Have Fifa Got A Point
I love this guy, who has spent years – decades – scoffing that Fifa are a bunch of incompetent chisellers who leech money out of the game, and do less than the bare minimum to grow it while lining their own pockets. Unbelievable that they don’t pay local taxes and have a cash surplus of $2.7bn when they should be a force for good. But this chap looks at the fact that the men’s World Cup prize fund is $400m, that the women’s is $30m. He knows he can’t fall back on viewing figure ratios, given that the men’s gets four times the viewers of the women’s, but 13 times the prize money. And he knows the gap between the men’s and women’s prize fund has actually risen over the past four years. Even so, and for reasons he can’t quite put his finger on: haven’t Fifa got a point in just this one case? Oh, just to be clear, that’s a rhetorical question. Which means you don’t get to answer it.
Mr I’m Just Not Watching
Short of hearing what other people dreamed about last night, hearing which things other people aren’t watching on television is even better. Have you never seen an episode of Game of Thrones? Do you dislike Love Island? Are you not watching the Women’s World Cup? If so, this is massive. Make sure to tell as many people as possible today.
Every single one of these are posting in this thread !
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It’s been a big year for women’s football in Spain, and its popularity is growing at an astonishing rate. In February, a record attendance for a women’s game was set as 48,121 people watched Athletic Club take on Atlético Madrid at San Mamés – a greater attendance than any men’s game at the same stadium this season. A month later that record was broken as a whopping 60,739 people watched Atlético’s defeat to Barcelona at the Wanda Metropolitano. Real Sociedad’s Copa de la Reina win in May made the front pages of both Marca and AS, and Spain’s win over South Africa on Saturday was watched by two million people on TV channel GOL – more than any other game on the channel this season, including several La Liga games.
No one is watching it!
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Croesy Blue
Every single one of these are posting in this thread !
I read this earlier too, absolutely bang on :hehe:
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:hehe: doesn’t mention breaking women’s legs at least !
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Credit where credit is due. Impressed with the Japanese women. Man City esq albeit slower.
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Nigeria V France was that just simple cheating by officials to get hosts through ?
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Nelsonca61
Nigeria V France was that just simple cheating by officials to get hosts through ?
Thought the same too. Let's face it women's football are desperate for France to go far. Empty stadiums will not suit their agenda. Some strange decisions tonight
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https://youtu.be/VrN6axrJsbk
The France pelanty incident. Looks suspiciously like they did what they could to get the frogs through.
The foul (already soft) was 72 mins and it must have been at least 80 mins before the game restarted