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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
It depends on who's idea it was to only spend 26 million on Championship players. If it was NW's he should go. If it was Tan's he should shut the **** up and let NW get on with it.
Agree.
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
Although I don't agree with excessive spending I recall a conversation Neil Warnock had on Talk Sport in which he indicated Vincent Tan expected the club to qualify for Europe with the amount spent. While I believe that Vincent Tan has done more than his bit for the club I do believe his aspirations are totally unrealistic. No manager could get this squad anywhere near Europe and we all know, as fans, we were in for an almighty battle to avoid relegation and the experience so far seems to confirm this view.
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
I cannot believe some of you lot on here you read an article by some no name on the internet and then you spout a load of crap, warnock is one of the best managers we have ever had, and anyone calling for his sacking is an idiot? We knew that it was going to be a struggle and we also know that a striker did not arrive for one reason or another. I am not a negative person, but a realistic one, it's a pity some of you are not the same!
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
I think it needs to be remembered that Vincent Tan converted nearly £70 million of club debt into equity once our promotion had been confirmed.
I agree with others who say that the level of spending seen in the summer was not enough, but that doesn't mean that I think we should have spent at Wolves and Fulham levels - Burnley and Huddersfield have spent in the region of £35 million in the past and survived and, with us getting bigger crowds than either of them and gaining considerably more points than Huddersfield did when going up, you would think that we could have done the same on a similar budget.
If Neil Warnock did have more money available to spend , but decided it wasn't needed, then, perhaps, he is closer to the sack than most of us believe. However, I strongly suspect that this was not the case and so he has been given much less room for manoeuvre financially than either Sean Dyche or David Wagner.
Vincent Tan has, in all likelihood, given our manager a really tough task therefore, but, as someone who has been very critical of our owner in the past, I cannot be this time because of that debt to equity conversion and also because I can understand any desire on his part not to see a repeat of what happened in 2013 in terms of our spending after promotion. What all of this means though is that relegation looks likely - if Vincent Tan is happy with that, then fair enough, but if he is expecting to stay up on the level of spending he has allowed, then he, has, most likely, overestimated the qualities of the playing squad and management/coaching staff.
Who could we have got for an extra £9m that would make a difference (and want to come here) though.
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
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ken smith
Who could we have got for an extra £9m that would make a difference (and want to come here) though.
That’s a managers job! Huddersfield’s manager did it. There are thousands of footballers all over the world. That’s a kop out question, anybody who doesn’t want to think can pose that question.
You cant deny that an extra 9 million would potentially give you a greater chance of survival. Besides, I think Hudds spent more like 50 million
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
There isn't a manager out there that could keep this team up. Even Tan should know that.
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There is, and we have him already:thumbup:
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
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Divine Wright
That’s a managers job! Huddersfield’s manager did it. There are thousands of footballers all over the world. That’s a kop out question, anybody who doesn’t want to think can pose that question.
You cant deny that an extra 9 million would potentially give you a greater chance of survival. Besides, I think Hudds spent more like 50 million
Having a few pints in Huddersfield after the game the other week and the Huddersfield fans I was talking to weren’t too happy with Wagner. They reckoned they’d forked out £50m on 9 players and up to our game only two had featured, their argument was that why didn’t they buy two £25m players who would vastly improve the side rather than bring in squad players. Fair point I thought, wages would most probably be the same for two marquee signings as nine squad thickeners.
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
That’s a managers job! Huddersfield’s manager did it. There are thousands of footballers all over the world. That’s a kop out question, anybody who doesn’t want to think can pose that question.
You cant deny that an extra 9 million would potentially give you a greater chance of survival. Besides, I think Hudds spent more like 50 million
"All over the world" are important words there as well - for example, Gross, arguably Brighton's most influential player last season, cost them just a £1.5 million transfer fee. I may be wrong, but I can't help thinking that we learned of Camarasa's availability on the weekend we played Betis and, although there were rumours about us signing German midfielders who played for Turkish clubs, we stayed firmly in the domestic market with it's inflated prices, even for lower division players.
Also, I think we may well have Warnock going for different players to the ones we signed if we had another £10 million to spend, so it's not quite the same as saying we could only sign players for £9 million or less.
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
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Originally Posted by
Igovernor
I cannot believe some of you lot on here you read an article by some no name on the internet and then you spout a load of crap, warnock is one of the best managers we have ever had, and anyone calling for his sacking is an idiot? We knew that it was going to be a struggle and we also know that a striker did not arrive for one reason or another. I am not a negative person, but a realistic one, it's a pity some of you are not the same!
No one is really saying he should be sacked though, it's more an interesting discussion on whether we've spent enough.
I'm sure certain posters don't want any debate just non stop posts saying WE R DA BEST!
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
Having just read right through this thread yours is the one I align with the most Valley Boy
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
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the other bob wilson
"All over the world" are important words there as well - for example, Gross, arguably Brighton's most influential player last season, cost them just a £1.5 million transfer fee. I may be wrong, but I can't help thinking that we learned of Camarasa's availability on the weekend we played Betis and, although there were rumours about us signing German midfielders who played for Turkish clubs, we stayed firmly in the domestic market with it's inflated prices, even for lower division players.
Also, I think we may well have Warnock going for different players to the ones we signed if we had another £10 million to spend, so it's not quite the same as saying we could only sign players for £9 million or less.
I've mentioned this a few times, but when we got promoted in 2013, Tan was quick to suggest we don't need to spend millions on a top striker as Swansea only spent £2m on Michu.
I think it's safe to say that Tan is more a businessman than a knowledgeable football person, but it's a statement that always worried me. Is Tan really thinking we don't need to spend millions, we just need the right management team? There is some sort of truth to it - some players work better with certain managers and certain environments, but any thought that it's relatively easy to create a great team without spending lots is nonsense.
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
The unexpected promotion last season has given Warnock a “get out of jail free ” card in my eyes but I wish he had bought a striker and a right back !
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
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the other bob wilson
I think it needs to be remembered that Vincent Tan converted nearly £70 million of club debt into equity once our promotion had been confirmed.
This perhaps makes the question more interesting. Would we be happy for Tan to have reduced the the equity conversion by £20m for example and make an equivalent available for us to spend on players, only for us to remain probably still favourites for relegation?
If so, how about reducing it by £30m or £40m to further increase our chances of staying-up, but still with no guarantees? How far in fact would would we be prepared to gamble the club’s financial security to stay-up?
I’m not suggesting this is exactly how it would work in reality, but having to prioritise and assess risks is probably a more realistic reflection on how decisions are made, rather than just plucking tens of millions of pounds from nowhere to make things better.
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
This thread is a perfect example of the fact that there are a number of people who post on the board who 1). pretend to be fans but arent really and 2). don't actually attend games but try to give the impression that they are 'experts' on the team, manager and owner but actually know very little, if anything, about much including what day it is.
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
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dml1954
This thread is a perfect example of the fact that there are a number of people who post on the board who 1). pretend to be fans but arent really and 2). don't actually attend games but try to give the impression that they are 'experts' on the team, manager and owner but actually know very little, if anything, about much including what day it is.
But there will be plenty of people who post on this board who 1) are genuine fans and 2) do attend games, and who don't try to give the impression they are experts on the team, manager and owner and who actually know quite a bit, but who will have quite different opinions to yours. You seem to struggle with that, for some reason.
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
This thread is a perfect example of the fact that there are a number of people who post on the board who 1). pretend to be fans but arent really and 2). don't actually attend games but try to give the impression that they are 'experts' on the team, manager and owner but actually know very little, if anything, about much including what day it is.
Pretending everything is OK and not caring whether we win or lose doesn't make you a "real" fan.
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
This thread is a perfect example of the fact that there are a number of people who post on the board who 1). pretend to be fans but arent really and 2). don't actually attend games but try to give the impression that they are 'experts' on the team, manager and owner but actually know very little, if anything, about much including what day it is.
Grow up ffs :hehe:
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
This thread is a perfect example of the fact that there are a number of people who post on the board who 1). pretend to be fans but arent really and 2). don't actually attend games but try to give the impression that they are 'experts' on the team, manager and owner but actually know very little, if anything, about much including what day it is.
Can you give us some examples?
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
He deserves the season but he’ll be nearly 71 at start of next season so I think the club have got some decisions to make about the future.
Seeing Lampard at Derby and the young players he’s brought in on loan, maybe it’s time for Bellers to take the mantle in the championship next season.
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It’s been mentioned many times by gringo, lomanski and the danish guy can’t remember his name but we really need to start looking at our scouting network abroad the players are out there who cost very little but are very good, I always thought we could at least spend 50 million without breaking the bank too much but would I really trust warnock to spend that amount of money?
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sadly the uk is not producing enough of the top level players that is required for the prem these days . only mentioned last week the percentage of home grown players is dropping like a stone playing regular in the prem . All the best over see players are now with clubs so what's the answer ? . oh yes lets sack the manager !
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Re: "Neil Warnock dangerously close to being sacked."
I believe Tan said in a interview that he thought we had a good enough squad to stay up and compete. I also believe he is well aware Warnock’s track record in the premiership.
Like I said before, I don’t think any other manager will get much more out of this squad. But I also believe Warnock to be limited in the tactical department. I’m not sure how many more matches he got before ol Winnie will pull the plug. Remember, he wouldn’t even let Ole settle a new squad more than seven games. Loose tomorrow, and the pressure is on.