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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
They have faded into retirement. One of them laughs about what happened.
How hasn't he had a slap?
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
It was a 'stitch up' no doubt, but without Miller's 'confession', it wouldn't have gone anywhere. In the programme Miller categorically states he wasn't Lynette's pimp, but trying to help her get off the streets. Believe that if you want. It doesn't have any material impact on the case or outcome either way, but whilst it's difficult to have a sense of balance in such a blatant one sided attack on innocent men, there are a few comments made in the 1st couple of episodes that I've seen that would challenged in different circumstances.
He was clearly her pimp
But he , and the others, didn't massacre her
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
goats
He’s definitely Hollywood John Actie, he could be a star of the stage that guy….
Actie and Abdullahi were cool as cucumbers and just took the piss
The police knew the score
So went after Miller who had a mental age of 12
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Send him a letter
Anonymously
Everybody is covered then
..did you put a stamp on it..
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
Fatty Thornton
The Red Riding Trilogy is fantastic, managed to get a copy on DVD as it's not streaming in the UK.
"This is The North, we do what we want"
One of the best British cast's ever assembled IMHO. Sean Bean in a predictable outcome too :hehe:
Come on mate
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
kendoddsdadsdogsdead
..did you put a stamp on it..
I sent a letter later
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
It’s amazing how the five can get done and go down, the witnesses the police cajoled into making up stuff go down, yet the police who fitted up all of them walk off Scott free…..retired with their big fat pensions at 52.
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
goats
It’s amazing how the five can get done and go down, the witnesses the police cajoled into making up stuff go down, yet the police who fitted up all of them walk off Scott free…..retired with their big fat pensions at 52.
It's disgraceful
I am amazed they cannot get done , even after all this time
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
Pimp my arse. Stephen Miller was a 22 year old with the mental age of a 11 year old and a bit of a wet weekend if truth be told.
Typical Monkfish. He’s black, he must be her pimp.
What those coppers subjected that boy to was an absolute disgrace, and on tape too! How they’ve never been prosecuted is a travesty..
I’ve just watched episodes 2 and 3 in the iplayer. SWP are a ****ing disgrace.
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Pimp my arse. Stephen Miller was a 22 year old with the mental age of a 11 year old and a bit of a wet weekend if truth be told.
Typical Monkfish. He’s black, he must be her pimp.
What those coppers subjected that boy to was an absolute disgrace, and on tape too! How they’ve never been prosecuted is a travesty..
I’ve just watched episodes 2 and 3 in the iplayer. SWP are a ****ing disgrace.
Very well said. There's absolutely no evidence to say that Miller was pimping. Plenty of evidence to say that he had problems mentally and developmentally.
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
Stitch up
Guilty officers get off with not even a slap on the wrist
It's appalling
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
He was clearly her pimp
But he , and the others, didn't massacre her
He 'clearly' wasn't her pimp-if that's what you're referring to.
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
That bald twat in charge John Williams 😡
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
That bald twat in charge John Williams
reminds me of so many men in positions of authority back in the 80's. Reminded me of my Headmaster, who was another c unt.
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
He 'clearly' wasn't her pimp-if that's what you're referring to.
Miller has always been referred to as lynette whites pimp and not just by the police who we know in this case we can step over
The makers of this most recent programme referred to Miller as a cocaine addict and her pimp , living off her earnings
If they are privy to better information than us I think it's fair enough to make the assumption , not on race , that he was her pimp
Of course to say other black so he's her pimp is a different think altogether
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
That bald twat in charge John Williams 😡
Neath Boy
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Neath Boy
Shameless bastard
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Shameless bastard
I understand he was the head of CID in South Wales at the time and the rest of the coppers were Detectives , although not very good ones , from various Cardiff police stations
I have been looking on the Internet at the trial of the officers which collapsed but I am amazed that they haven't been lifted again .
What makes these blokes untouchable ?
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
as mentioned when this topic comes up before
Lynette was in my school year and in my registration and welsh class until form3 .RIP Lynette
as for the cops involved wish them the worse a total miscarriage of justice
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Miller has always been referred to as lynette whites pimp and not just by the police who we know in this case we can step over
The makers of this most recent programme referred to Miller as a cocaine addict and her pimp , living off her earnings
If they are privy to better information than us I think it's fair enough to make the assumption , not on race , that he was her pimp
Of course to say other black so he's her pimp is a different think altogether
Miller said that he wasn't her pimp. his word' He hustled. Are you sure that the film makers actually said thiat Miller was pimping? That's one hell of a statement to make, without evidence.....
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Neath Boy
Dinosaur
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
Sad to read about what became of them after, Ronnie living in a shed in the garden for 7 years and dying of deep vein thrombosis, dulla seemed ok initially but his mental health suffered and he became a recluse, passing away young. They did all receive compensation (Miller 500k, john 300k, Ronnie 200k, not sure the others) but I don’t suppose it equates to the mental suffering endured then and forever after……
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
goats
Sad to read about what became of them after, Ronnie living in a shed in the garden for 7 years and dying of deep vein thrombosis, dulla seemed ok initially but his mental health suffered and he became a recluse, passing away young. They did all receive compensation (Miller 500k, john 300k, Ronnie 200k, not sure the others) but I don’t suppose it equates to the mental suffering endured then and forever after……
Apparently, Ronnie gave a lot of his money to his daughter. The shed he lived in was in Gabalfa. It was in a mates garden. He'd go inside the house to watch films etc then retire to his shed. The shed was tiny, apparently.
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
Watched the next 2 episodes on iplayer after seeing the first.
Was a decent documentary, never really went into much detail about the case though and maybe a bit too much Actie dramatically staring into the distance but it definitely showed the investigation up for what it was.
Did they really move the case to Swansea because there would be next to no chance of any black jurors?
I don't know if she has family remaining but White's family..... Can't even imagine how they felt after the murder but then to suffer this shit show also.
Well worth a watch.
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
Trigger
Watched the next 2 episodes on iplayer after seeing the first.
Was a decent documentary, never really went into much detail about the case though and maybe a bit too much Actie dramatically staring into the distance but it definitely showed the investigation up for what it was.
Did they really move the case to Swansea because there would be next to no chance of any black jurors?
I don't know if she has family remaining but White's family..... Can't even imagine how they felt after the murder but then to suffer this shit show also.
Well worth a watch.
Moving it to ‘very white’ swansea was also part of the police idea to make sure they got found guilty…..no doubt it would have worked well if the first judge hadn’t dropped dead just before the verdict…..
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
goats
Moving it to ‘very white’ swansea was also part of the police idea to make sure they got found guilty…..no doubt it would have worked well if the first judge hadn’t dropped dead just before the verdict…..
The police said witnesses were being intimidated so that's why it was moved to Swansea
But it wouldn't surprise me if it was to get a conviction
How on earth were they convicted just on this confession , no forensic evidence at all
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Miller said that he wasn't her pimp. his word' He hustled. Are you sure that the film makers actually said thiat Miller was pimping? That's one hell of a statement to make, without evidence.....
Yep , look at the press releases for the documentary
They are written by the production team and they wouldn't have said he was her pimp if they were at all concerned that wasn't true
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Yep , look at the press releases for the documentary
They are written by the production team and they wouldn't have said he was her pimp if they were at all concerned that wasn't true
I appreciate that wikipedia can at times not be the most reliable source of information, but they describe him as both her boyfriend and her pimp.
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Yep , look at the press releases for the documentary
They are written by the production team and they wouldn't have said he was her pimp if they were at all concerned that wasn't true
Link the press release. He was in no way portrayed as her pimp in the documentary.
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Pimp my arse. Stephen Miller was a 22 year old with the mental age of a 11 year old and a bit of a wet weekend if truth be told.
Typical Monkfish. He’s black, he must be her pimp.
What those coppers subjected that boy to was an absolute disgrace, and on tape too! How they’ve never been prosecuted is a travesty..
I’ve just watched episodes 2 and 3 in the iplayer. SWP are a ****ing disgrace.
Watch your gob pal. If you're suggesting I'm a racist come out and say it and we'll see where it takes you.
He was her pimp. she did tricks to pay for his coke habit. It was common knowledge and even came out in the appeal and second trial.
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How a QC can investigate the police and conclude that it was merely human error and not “bad faith” that the documents went missing only to be found when the case against them collapsed is utterly deplorable.
The Stephen Miller tapes alone should have been enough to put those corrupt bastards away.
Rotten to the core.
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Watch your gob pal. If you're suggesting I'm a racist come out and say it and we'll see where it takes you.
He was her pimp. she did tricks to pay for his coke habit. It was common knowledge and even came out in the appeal and second trial.
She did tricks to pay for her own survival you piece of shit.
Come out from who? The police? That would figure
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Link the press release. He was in no way portrayed as her pimp in the documentary.
He denied being her pimp in the documentary
That doesn't mean he wasn't
He was fitted up , he had learning difficulties and his confession led to a shocking miscarriage of justice
At the trial of the police officers that collapsed he was named by a local taxi driver as being her pimp, controlling her , kicking her
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
He denied being her pimp in the documentary
That doesn't mean he wasn't
He was fitted up , he had learning difficulties and his confession led to a shocking miscarriage of justice
At the trial of the police officers that collapsed he was named by a local taxi driver as being her pimp, controlling her , kicking her
I know the story, I’ve just watched the documentary. I’m fully aware of his learning disabilities.
You said it was in the press release. Surely that’s easy for you to link?
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
I know the story, I’ve just watched the documentary. I’m fully aware of his learning disabilities.
You said it was in the press release. Surely that’s easy for you to link?
It was , I was reading it last night
Here is another article , from the Independent , that describes Miller as her pimp
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1917974.html
The question was asked that's a hell of a accusation to make . Well it's been being made for years and if it wasn't true I am sure the Independent would have been sued by now .
I think it's clear he was living off her earnings .
That of course has nothing to do with his race .
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
She did tricks to pay for her own survival you piece of shit.
Come out from who? The police? That would figure
Wrong again. You're also nasty piece of work who throws his 'weight' around on a keyboard. What a miserable way to spend one's life.
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It was , I was reading it last night
Here is another article , from the Independent , that describes Miller as her pimp
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1917974.html
The question was asked that's a hell of a accusation to make . Well it's been being made for years and if it wasn't true I am sure the Independent would have been sued by now .
I think it's clear he was living off her earnings .
That of course has nothing to do with his race .
Stephen Miller sue the independent? 😂 He looks like he’s struggle to write a postage note let alone sue a national newspaper.
You said the shows press release said he was a pimp. Nevermind speculation elsewhere you said the actual show he was a part of put it out on their press release. Now either put up, or shut up.
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Wrong again. You're also nasty piece of work who throws his 'weight' around on a keyboard. What a miserable way to spend one's life.
You have no empathy with the likes of the Lynette Whites and Stephens Millers of this world. You are a horrible, right wing, I’m alright Jack, twat.
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Stephen Miller sue the independent? 😂 He looks like he’s struggle to write a postage note let alone sue a national newspaper.
You said the shows press release said he was a pimp. Nevermind speculation elsewhere you said the actual show he was a part of put it out on their press release. Now either put up, or shut up.
I was reading it last night
It was printed as fact
And it's been printed as fact over many years
If you want to debate an issue of race look for that battle elsewhere , he was 22 , a cocaine addict his girlfriend was a prostitute and numerous sources have said he was living off her earnings and was witnessed assaulting her
The lad was vulnerable but he was her pimp
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Re: A killing in tiger bay…bbc Wales this week
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I was reading it last night
It was printed as fact
And it's been printed as fact over many years
If you want to debate an issue of race look for that battle elsewhere , he was 22 , a cocaine addict his girlfriend was a prostitute and numerous sources have said he was living off her earnings and was witnessed assaulting her
The lad was vulnerable but he was her pimp
I'm sure that Miller denied that claim in the first episode. I suppose it's his word against others. I would've thought that there would have to be some hard evidence to make such a claim. Not just circumstantial.