And how come the “ice dragon” could take down the main “Wall” and half of Winterfell’s walls with its ice breathe but couldn’t destroy the crappy rock Jon Snow was hiding behind?
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I still can not believe how the Main Character John Snow was left to do basically nothing, he was brought back from the dead.. for what?
he might as well had not been there, for 8 seasons he has been the only person who actually cared about the dead, the only one who raised concerns, the person who was literally the prophecies.
The Benidoff dude, has come out and said we chose Arya because she was the least expected...
So you just shat over years of character development and story Arc for a cheap surprise?
I dont mind the fact that Arya killed the NK, but it was just cheap and easy, to not even give John his showdown?
(I would have had john die, providing the opening for Arya to finish the job)
Hopefully the only way out of this mess, is if they are smarter than we gave them credit for and the next episode or two provides background and filler moments for the battle of Winterfell, but if they do move on and let that be the end of the NK without providing any character development, or explained motives then they have made one of the biggest cock ups goings.
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the immune to dragon fire, but not Valerian Steel is Arse backwards too, would make much more sense logically the other way round,
Wow.. don't understand these comments!
The episode was incredible!
If you watched the episode in anything less than 1080p HD in 2019, and also in anything other than a dark room then it's on you if you couldn't see anything.
They were fighting the army of the dead at night, and you want perfect lighting? Lol.
Don't forget Melisandre's prophesy that Arya would kill individuals with...brown eyes, green eyes and blue eyes.
What colour are Cersei's eyes?
That prophecy was already fulfilled, it represents the three faces she killed while training with the faceless. brown eyes = Meryn Trent, green eyes = Walder Frey and Blue eyes = Little Finger
In order to try and make it work for this season they had to re-edit the prophecy (if you watch season 3 it is spoken differently to the last episode) The writers admitted they chose Arya recently as a surprise as it was the last person they originally thought of, hence trying to back track and make the story work.
One thing I am not a fan off, is how OP Arya suddenly is, it seems like as a fan favourite they just making Arya into a super character to keep people on twitter happy. She has had all of the big kills last couple of seasons, she has killed the NK and as you said possibly Cersei? My God I hope not. All because she randomly met a guy who trained her with a stick. Since the book material run out, the writers have just run with her, and ignored all the character development George RR had built.
If George RR Martin ends the series with Arya single handily jumping 30 feet over the generals heads and kills the NK, while John screams at a dragon, then I will apologies. Thankfully I am 99% certain this will not happen as he is not a shit writer like David Benioff.
Maybe it is my fault as a book fan watching the series in the first place, the problem is they did a good job at accurately adapting the first 3 series so I was committed from there. I am sure these episodes keep casual viewers very happy, just a shame they seem to flying in the face of the spirit of game of thrones and what George RR intended.
I liked it, that bit at the start with the Dothraki charging in was one of the most dramatic and :yikes: sequences I've seen in a long time. Brilliant use of light as a storytelling tool for that too (although I agree a lot of it was a bit on the dark side)
If Jaime doesn’t kill Cersei then I’m going to be seriously pissed
I haven’t watched ozzy mans reviews yet come to think of it
If Dany and Jon had flown to the back of the ranks of the dead they could have just picked them off instead of send the Dothraki to be slaughtered. And how come the dead act like ****ing zombies but fight like highly trained warriors? Whatever. Watched it again this morning. Great episode.
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The writing for this season has been a shambles. Pacing of the episodes has been a mess, trying to conclude multiple storyline in just 6 episodes was always going to be a disaster. With the exception of Theon it's ruined the character arcs of most of the main characters.
Last nights episode, despite being entertaining and you can't fault the performances of the actors/actresses and the production, set design etc... But the story just feels so panicked and rushed compared to the seasons that came before it.
Hoping the prequel that is to come returns back to the same storytelling pace of the initial seasons.
I agree the entire season has been a bit rushed.
Not enjoyed it really. I think what I have realised is, well what I already knew really, and that is that the character depth and development is what has made the show. IN the earlier season the budget wasn't as grand, the game, the scheming, twists were what made it what it was for me.
I did fear that it would be too much to cover in one season and so it seems. The pace has been sped up, main characters have been killed off with rather unspectacular endings (Jaime and Cersei being killed by rubble felt a little bit like cheating).
Jaime's character has been increasingly growing on me, and then at a drop of a hat he is back to not caring about anyone else but his sister.
As said above, it just feels rushed.
There has always been some brutal action and gore but that was the finish to some fantastic scripts, this season it feels like the gore and action is all there really is.
I have sympathy for the writers though, finishing the story under such expectation was always going to be a massive challenge. I wonder how much input George RR Martin has had.
Disappointed also.
Cersei wouldn’t just roll over like that and Jamie was half feckin dead before somehow scaling all the way from a beach to the red keep.
Also Arya all of a sudden become a bit of a wimp after seeing off the Night King just two episodes ago?
Shite.
I don’t believe he has had that much even he said they should really do another 2 series to complete all the story lines I expect the books to go in a completely different direction but the ending won’t be far off unless they do something ridiculous next week, what’s pissed me off a bit is we’ve infested all this time in Jon boy and he’s become a bystander and Arya has become the main focus, she had way too much air time the last episode and we only seen Cersei for 2 mins and bang that’s how it ends, Jaime really should’ve killed her and I expect he willin the books even if it’s a mercy death. Now the prophecy is for Jon boy to become the prince that was promised and stick his sword through Danny’s heart. If Arya kills her it will become a pointless tv show
This season has been getting a hammering from critics and viewers alike and, in some ways, I think this can be put down to things not turning out as people wanted them to. That said, I must agree with those who are saying that they have tried to cram far too much into into six episodes with the consequence that character development, which had always been such a strength of Game of Thrones, has all but been forgotten.
On that theme, I suppose Danny was bound to change with the loss of so many trusted advisers and friends (not to mention two of her "children") in such a short space of time and her conversion into cold eyed killing machine could have been made to look perfectly natural if it had been allowed to develop gradually, as it certainly would have been in series' one to six. However, it all seemed to happen in the blink of an eye here and put it together with Jaime Lannister's baffling behaviour in this season and it just comes over as too far fetched.
As for episode 5, I thought it was interesting the way that the focus was on the thousands of innocents that were slaughtered as opposed to the main characters, but there's not much else I can say in it's favour. I've not read any of the books, so maybe I'm missing something here, but since when has dragon fire been able to completely destroy brick and stone structures the moment it touches them? The ease with which King's Landing was breached and the way the Iron Fleet was destroyed made a mockery of what had happened in the previous episode. Also, the fight between Jaime and Euron was embarrassing, with the latter's dying smile to camera while uttering "I'm the man who killed Jaime Lannister" being, surely, the most ludicrous moment in all eight series.
That tussle, along with the Clegane brothers' dual, epitomised the transition in series eight from dialogue based drama to action movie wannabee as interesting characters like Tyrion and Varys (his betrayal and subsequent death felt like another blink and you would have missed it moment) increasingly take a back seat.
Unless episode six is something like four hours long, it's impossible to see how all of the shortcomings of series eight can be put right. I've grown to like the Battle of Winterfell episode, but the other three of the first four episodes would surely have been better served by focusing on the changes important players in the drama were going through rather than the opportunity to say goodbye to minor players and the "we're all going to die" preparation that episode two especially was. That's why I can't excuse the writers as easily as some others have - the standard has been poor throughout this series and Game Of Thrones wouldn't have got past series two if it had started with such slipshod writing.