Agree. We look laboured.
I'd bench Vokes and use Bale up top and put woodburn and Brooks either side of him (or any other 2 that people like)
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Did you go to all these Exeter games when he played then? He wasn't on TV. He's played a handful of games for Cheslea, and he's played in midfield. Ledley only has 76 caps in his position so he's pretty much a novice. You can't judge Ampadu yet, and it's unfair to put so much pressure on a young lad's shoulders. Regardless of what you say, his positional play will need work, and he's still not a centre back or a centre mid, so he'll need to decide at some point and carve out a niche.
His passing today was awful.
Don't put words in my mouth, neither Ledley or Allen are awful, I'd consider Allen more box to box and not a defensive midfielder.
Ampadu in MY OPINION is different to both as he is a defensive minded player who can pass and carry the ball. Ledley IN MY OPINION isn't a defensive midfielder he's a centre mid who's lost his pace.
You are hard work. Really are.
No, I just think that people are praising Ampadu as the second coming of Jesus, when we don't know how good he'll be. I think he could be really good but it's laughable to suggest "we're really missing Ampadu" when he's not even kicked a ball competitively for us. He's a fine prospect but that's all he is. Ledley has played defensive mid for about 5 years and has formed a key partnership with Allen.
No idea how good he will become but all my point is, is that Ampadu is a more natural player in the role. Ledley is decent there but he's not a defensive midfielder.
Messi isn't a striker now just because Barca play him up top with Suarez. Ledley isn't a CDM.
Think Giggs needs to look at retiring Ashley Williams. He was miles off it pace-wise and positionally for most of Uruguay's chances. For the goal he was nowhere near Cavani who he should have been marking. He has been a magnificent player for Wales but just looks very past it. He even got found out a couple of times against China.
Because of that, given we have a real shortage of centre backs, I don't think it makes sense for us to play five at the back any more. Davies, one of the best full backs in the Premier League on form this season, it totally wasted there. We need to try and get Mepham some game time and see if he's capable of forming a partnership with Chester.
My ideal line-up going forward:
Hennessey/Ward
Gunter/Roberts Chester Mepham Davies
Allen Ampadu/King
Brooks/Lawrence Ramsey Woodburn
Bale
I said we were missing him today when our defence were all over the place!
You are hard work. Really are. :biggrin:
PS why did you add the word "really"? I never said "we're really missing Ampadu". You seem to be pretty loose with your embellishments :wink:
I don't mind a bit of banter :biggrin: but IMO Ampadu is already good enough even if he doesn't improve anymore. Looking at his stats he hardly ever gives the ball away. I can't remember if Wales have ever had a player like this before, who can comfortably play from deep with a calm head. Am I missing anybody?
Ampadu has huge potential. But that's all it is at the moment. I've seen him look shaky for Chelsea this season. You can't say we are missing him yet! International is a step up from the league cup and Exeter City. It's not being hard work, it's being realistic.
He's got to be better than Andy King though..