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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Great pity that they ripped up the tracks the coal trains from the valleys, that used to run through Llanishen, ROATH and Splott.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Exactly, as I keep banging on about, what are our city planners planning? Before a brick is laid on a house the plans are in place to get the shit out of it long before a flush is pulled, yet the bricks have been laid on thousands of Cardiff houses with no clue how to allow the residents to easily travel away from them.
Exactly Steve :thumbup:
They even built houses, where the tracks used to be over the Sandies (fields behind Newport Road, for our younger viewers)
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
Cars are the main problem, as is the regimented 8 to 5, pointless job, work regime. Also the shortsightedness that blights every city council. What we need is the.. Monorail!
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clearly offside ¯\_(?)
Cars are the main problem, as is the regimented 8 to 5, pointless job, work regime. Also the shortsightedness that blights every city council. What we need is the.. Monorail!
Cars are the answer. Complete lack of a viable public transport infrastructure is the problem.
Solve that problem and a lot of the cars will stay in their driveways.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
clearly offside ¯\_(?)
Cars are the main problem, as is the regimented 8 to 5, pointless job, work regime. Also the shortsightedness that blights every city council. What we need is the.. Monorail!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDOI0cq6GZM
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54219886
More than 20% of jobs could be axed from Cardiff's council-owned bus operator due to a drop in passengers because of the coronavirus crisis.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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LeningradCowboy
However if they attempted to revert the public transport to pre-virus levels they may get more people using it and less using their cars.
Axing bus jobs and reducing the service is just about typical of this council sending signals out to encourage people to leave their cars at home and use public transport.
It beggars belief!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54474753
Cardiff has seen the weakest post-lockdown return of shoppers of any city apart from London, research suggests.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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LeningradCowboy
Popped in today. It’s like a ghost town, full of miserable looking people. The complete opposite of a year ago. God knows what it will be like in another few months when most restaurants and bars have gone bust. Even normally busy shops like Next are deserted. Really missing the large numbers of office workers like London is....
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
All the people are rushing to Castle Street to have a cold panini
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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splott parker
The city planners just don’t plan!!! Cardiff’s suburbs are relatively new compared to a lot of other UK cities, Ely is perhaps coming up a hundred years old perhaps ( not old really) but Caerau, Fairwater (especially Pentrebane), Danescourt etc to the west, Llanrumney, Rumney, Trowbridge, St Mellon’s etc to the east, not to mention Pentwyn, Llanedeyrn, Pontprennau etc and now there the newer estates under construction. When these estates were being developed massive groundworks were taking place, huge excavations yet the city planners didn’t think to plan ahead!!!!! Perhaps an underground system could have been incorporated, certainly some kind of transport system other than the pitiful road systems we have. OK there would have been disruption and a bit of chaos when these new systems reached the older inner city suburbs but places like Manchester, Sheffield etc overcame the problems and they now reap the benefits. One glaring example of shite planning is Llanrumney, a huge estate, God knows how many people live there, two cars or more per household perhaps, Eastern Avenue can be seen across the fields from the bottom of the estate yet there are only two ways in and out, Mount Pleasant Avenue & Llanrumney Avenue... madness!! Our city planners couldn’t plan a trip to Barry Island!!!
The population of Llanrumney is around 11,000.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
Just to put an alternative view, those of you criticising the council about train capacity, they don't have any control over that.
And as for the suggestion city planners should have thought about an underground system, who precisely is to pick up the tab which is likely to be billions? The council? Then you'd be complaining about council tax hikes assuming teh small proportion of council income that comes from council tax could cover it
Im not saying the council are blameless but the problem is a complex one and includes issues around UK govt policy as well as the economics of developing land and the private sector development industry
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In Edinburgh there is a sign near the castle saying something along the lines of city planners one hundred years ago were forward thinking so modern day Edinburgh is still benefiting today and is a tourist hotspot.
Cardiff over past five-ten years has been the opposite of that. Apart from chasing easy and quick money, can anyone make the case for moving the BBC, tax office from out of centre locations right into the middle without adding capacity to travel networks when there was already high levels of congestion? On top of that you have made the city uglier with a series of empty, cheap, high-rise student accommodation where most always planned to switch their use.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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El Gwapo
Just to put an alternative view, those of you criticising the council about train capacity, they don't have any control over that.
And as for the suggestion city planners should have thought about an underground system, who precisely is to pick up the tab which is likely to be billions? The council? Then you'd be complaining about council tax hikes assuming teh small proportion of council income that comes from council tax could cover it
Im not saying the council are blameless but the problem is a complex one and includes issues around UK govt policy as well as the economics of developing land and the private sector development industry
Council tax equates to about 1/5 of their budget.
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Tuerto
Council tax equates to about 1/5 of their budget.
Thanks, Im surprised its even that amount. The City Council budget is prob a few hundred million and that has to cover everything from schools to social services to bin collections to road maintenance to trading standards etc
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
There's another issue that needs to be addressed. The UK government have changed council funding in that they are now able to keep more business rates in exchange for less money from central government.
Needless to say, this swap hasn't been a fair one for many councils, who have seen the amount lost from central funding has not remotely been replaced by the amount they can raise through keeping business rates.
With further cuts from Westminster to come in exchange for keeping yet more business rates, council income will plunge further in many areas, particularly poorer ones. If Covid has an effect on business rates, councils may well not even be able to provide the most basic services.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
El Gwapo
Just to put an alternative view, those of you criticising the council about train capacity, they don't have any control over that.
And as for the suggestion city planners should have thought about an underground system, who precisely is to pick up the tab which is likely to be billions? The council? Then you'd be complaining about council tax hikes assuming teh small proportion of council income that comes from council tax could cover it
Im not saying the council are blameless but the problem is a complex one and includes issues around UK govt policy as well as the economics of developing land and the private sector development industry
Yes the problem is a complex one but talking about it for years, like the metro system, (Which in generations to come will be one of the fairy tales told to children growing up, here in Wales. (See what I did there?) ) is no substitute for actually dealing with the problem
If things had been done years ago and public transport systems developed as the city grew the problem wouldn't be anywhere near as complex as their total lack of action has made it now.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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LeningradCowboy
That's hardly surprising. No one can get close enough in their car to go shopping and the buses no longer run into the centre of the city, due to the Council's brilliant lockdown redesigning of the road network.
And now the picnic area outside the castle has become redundant (They admit that) due to the change in the weather the council is having a meeting to try to find excuses to keep castle street closed permanently, as I said they would when they first closed it One of the reasons mooted was that they need somewhere for the Christmas market! WTF is wrong with where it is now?
And for a councilor to seriously suggest closing a major city artery so a temporary market can be put there for 4 week out of 52 is just ridiculous.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
El Gwapo
Just to put an alternative view, those of you criticising the council about train capacity, they don't have any control over that.
And as for the suggestion city planners should have thought about an underground system, who precisely is to pick up the tab which is likely to be billions? The council? Then you'd be complaining about council tax hikes assuming teh small proportion of council income that comes from council tax could cover it
Im not saying the council are blameless but the problem is a complex one and includes issues around UK govt policy as well as the economics of developing land and the private sector development industry
If you read my post, it’s a dig a city planners, obviously an underground system would cost billions now but if it had been incorporated into the huge excavations that took place during the construction of our estates (which are relatively new compared to some other cities) it may have been viable. These estates were built and are still being built without a thought for traffic dispersal. There’s been miles of old rail track that’s disappeared, why didn’t our planners, people who are supposed to be planning ahead, think ‘hang on, let’s leave these tracks down, they may come in handy one day?’
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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...l-way-19081090
Plans have been revealed to reopen Cardiff city centre's canals as the council sets outs its vision to tackle climate change over the next decade.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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splott parker
If you read my post, it’s a dig a city planners, obviously an underground system would cost billions now but if it had been incorporated into the huge excavations that took place during the construction of our estates (which are relatively new compared to some other cities) it may have been viable. These estates were built and are still being built without a thought for traffic dispersal. There’s been miles of old rail track that’s disappeared, why didn’t our planners, people who are supposed to be planning ahead, think ‘hang on, let’s leave these tracks down, they may come in handy one day?’
If you think excavating for an underground can be coupled with a raft for some houses then I think you’re way off. If you read my post you’d see I accept the council aren’t blameless but it’s niaive to blame planners who ultimately answer to their political masters
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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LeningradCowboy
"more trees could be planted...to increase biodiversity ." Very nice. Much more important than an M4 relief road..
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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A Quiet Monkfish
"more trees could be planted...to increase biodiversity ." Very nice. Much more important than an M4 relief road..
Build and M4 relief road now and in 5-10 years you'd need an M4 relief road part 2, repeat for part 3 etc. Not have everything crammed into one small centre, build up good public transport and you have longer term planning which fits needs of our commitment to tackling climate change.
I wonder how many people concerned about shops in the city centre bought 99+% of their items online before this year anyway?
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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LeningradCowboy
What canals ?
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Enoch Mort
What canals ?
From the photo I saw attached to the article about it, it is in fact the feeder which was bled off the River to feed the Alexandra (I think) dock to keep the water level up at low tide.
It also provided water to the castle moat.
It still flows behind the castle under Kingsway, along the back of Greyfriars road behind the railings, then it goes under Park Place and turns right and flows underground down the back of the park hotel and straight down the middle of Churchill Way. That part was covered up in the early 70's I think but is still there. It the goes underground again but comes out at the hump back bridge on Hurbert Street before feeding into the dock.
If you look on Google you can see where it is still above ground in blackweir/Bute Park and then after Kingsway. The bit that goes under Kingsway has always be covered I believe. It starts where the river bridge crosses from Pontcanna to Balckweir.
The old Glamorganshire canal is long long gone and there was another but that is also gone.
The Glamorganshire canal came down from the valleys and had one of the longest series of locks ever built. It flowed past the old Melingriffith tin works and round Haley Park, crossing the Road at the Cow and Snuffers before flowing down on the edge of what is now Gabalfa.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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xsnaggle
Cars are the answer.
But what's the question? How to **** up your only available planet?
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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xsnaggle
From the photo I saw attached to the article about it, it is in fact the feeder which was bled off the River to feed the Alexandra (I think) dock to keep the water level up at low tide.
It also provided water to the castle moat.
It still flows behind the castle under Kingsway, along the back of Greyfriars road behind the railings, then it goes under Park Place and turns right and flows underground down the back of the park hotel and straight down the middle of Churchill Way. That part was covered up in the early 70's I think but is still there. It the goes underground again but comes out at the hump back bridge on Hurbert Street before feeding into the dock.
If you look on Google you can see where it is still above ground in blackweir/Bute Park and then after Kingsway. The bit that goes under Kingsway has always be covered I believe. It starts where the river bridge crosses from Pontcanna to Balckweir.
The old Glamorganshire canal is long long gone and there was another but that is also gone.
The Glamorganshire canal came down from the valleys and had one of the longest series of locks ever built. It flowed past the old Melingriffith tin works and round Haley Park, crossing the Road at the Cow and Snuffers before flowing down on the edge of what is now Gabalfa.
Indeed, there only ever was one canal in Cardiff and that’s filled in (apart from Forest Farm I think and I can remember the stretch at what is now North Rd car park)In my lifetime, until now, I don’t know of anyone who has referred to the Docks Feeder as a “canal”. Never intended for navigation to my knowledge. In the summer of 1977 there wasn’t much water coming off the Taff at Blackweir so another summer like that and the “Feeder” Quarter at Churchill Way will not be resembling Amsterdam.
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Enoch Mort
Indeed, there only ever was one canal in Cardiff and that’s filled in (apart from Forest Farm I think and I can remember the stretch at what is now North Rd car park)In my lifetime, until now, I don’t know of anyone who has referred to the Docks Feeder as a “canal”. Never intended for navigation to my knowledge. In the summer of 1977 there wasn’t much water coming off the Taff at Blackweir so another summer like that and the “Feeder” Quarter at Churchill Way will not be resembling Amsterdam.
There was the Glamorganshire canal which, as you say, stops now north of the city. The other Cardiff canal is the feeder canal which was used to convey water from the River Taff to the docks. Not built for boats, it none the less qualifies as a 'canal'.
If and when it is opened up again in Churchill Way it could well liven up a relatively unattractive part of the city centre. On the down side the southern end of Churchill Way is a main route for traffic, so yet an other pain in the backside for drivers trying to get across the city.
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If they only restore what was it won't be. It never went that far above ground
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xsnaggle
If they only restore what was it won't be. It never went that far above ground
Pardon ?????
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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BLUETIT
Pardon ?????
Wot?
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BLUETIT
2 weeks ago I videoed the whole length of it at 7pm on a Sunday
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You need a hobby
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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xsnaggle
If they only restore what was it won't be. It never went that far above ground
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BLUETIT
Pardon ?????
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xsnaggle
Wot?
I respect everything that you have written on this topic and Castle Street, BUT, these sentences may sound great in your head, BUT read them back.
They make no sense at all :shrug:
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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delmbox
You need a hobby
I was walking home, which is one of my hobbies, now Cardiff City Council have moved my bus stop :wave:
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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BLUETIT
I was walking home, which is one of my hobbies, now Cardiff City Council have moved my bus stop :wave:
How far from the original spot have they moved it?
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az city
But what's the question? How to **** up your only available planet?
you take apart of my answer out of context to make a cheap point. Waste of space.
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BLUETIT
I respect everything that you have written on this topic and Castle Street, BUT, these sentences may sound great in your head, BUT read them back.
They make no sense at all :shrug:
The poster said if they restore the canal in Churchill way it will mess up the traffic at the end. I point out that if they only uncover what was originally uncovered it will not in fact disrupt the traffic. It always went underground before that point and re-emerged just north of Hurbert St as already mentioned. Any further explanation required, please ask.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Tuerto
How far from the original spot have they moved it?
From what is supposed to be the Central Bus Station, (still waiting, what is it now 20 years ?), to Greyfriers.
It's not to bad for me, as I treat walking as an exercise, but for people older (i'm 69), infirm, mothers with kids, I can see it's a right pain in the backside
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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xsnaggle
The poster said if they restore the canal in Churchill way it will mess up the traffic at the end. I point out that if they only uncover what was originally uncovered it will not in fact disrupt the traffic. It always went underground before that point and re-emerged just north of Hurbert St as already mentioned. Any further explanation required, please ask.
It wasn't underground, it was an actual canal with barges on it.
It pointless trying to explain it, as it doesn't make any sense, even when you've tried to explain it.
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
From what is supposed to be the Central Bus Station, (still waiting, what is it now 20 years ?), to Greyfriers.
It's not to bad for me, as I treat walking as an exercise, but for people older (i'm 69), infirm, mothers with kids, I can see it's a right pain in the backside
I suppose it depends where people want to be. Same thing was said when st marys street was pedestrianised. Greyfriars rd is central for the shops etc. Do you mean connecting bus routes, to the west of the city etc? Don't buses stop in Westgate st? Does the city circle bus still run? Incidentally, we do need a central bus station.
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Tuerto
I suppose it depends where people want to be. Same thing was said when st marys street was pedestrianised. Greyfriars rd is central for the shops etc. Do you mean connecting bus routes, to the west of the city etc? Don't buses stop in Westgate st? Does the city circle bus still run? Incidentally, we do need a central bus station.
What is the point of a bus station where planned if the buses can't get to it without driving all the way round the outside of the city to get to it?
with regard to the pedestrianising of St Mary St (see what I did there?) at the time that occurred it was against the wishes of the traders, and the night before it was due to be passed the councilor responsible for planning it and pushing it through resigned just before a vote of no confidence in him was taken. That having happened they still proceeded. Totally stupid.
St Mary St now is dead compared to the people who used to visit the shops there 15 years ago. Another bit of the city ruined. And that demise feeds into the demise of Caste/Duke St and the Castle Arcade.