Another mass shooting in the land of the free...

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

I didn’t say that. My point is, we are very quick to condemn the yanks and there gun laws. But we have our own problems over here as well with knives and guns( albeit on a smaller scale). At least the yanks hand out large clink sentences. You can murrder someone in cold blood over here at the age of 20, and be back on the streets before your 30. Anyway, that’s another discussion.

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The yanks have very different laws in different states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimin...ing_of_killers


And to be honest, I think we have every right to condemn the yanks and their gun laws, as they have hundreds of mass shootings every year and we've had (I think I'm right in saying) three ever.

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Originally Posted by lardy

The yanks have very different laws in different states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimin...ing_of_killers


And to be honest, I think we have every right to condemn the yanks and their gun laws, as they have hundreds of mass shootings every year and we've had (I think I'm right in saying) three ever.

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Three would be hungerford, dunblane and Whitehaven?

I think the USA definition is more than 4 people shot not including the shooter or something like that.
I would imagine that there must have been some incidents during the troubles that would fall into that category, wasn't there a pub that was shot up by one side or other (can't remember which). Maybe they don't count those for some reason.

If it is just that three then they were in 87, 93 and 2010

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Three would be hungerford, dunblane and Whitehaven?

I think the USA definition is more than 4 people shot not including the shooter or something like that.
I would imagine that there must have been some incidents during the troubles that would fall into that category, wasn't there a pub that was shot up by one side or other (can't remember which). Maybe they don't count those for some reason.

If it is just that three then they were in 87, 93 and 2010

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Yes that's the three I was thinking of. What was the IRA one in a pub? I can only remember pub bombings. Was it in GB or N Ireland?

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Originally Posted by lardy

Yes that's the three I was thinking of. What was the IRA one in a pub? I can only remember pub bombings. Was it in GB or N Ireland?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughinisland_massacre

In northern Ireland, 6 people killed by uvf terrorists.
1994.
That 87-94 period was definitely the worst period for mass shootings in the UK. Since the law changed there has been one in 24 years.
Total coincidence but we've also never had a mass shooting under a labour government it seems

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Originally Posted by Rjk

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughinisland_massacre

In northern Ireland, 6 people killed by uvf terrorists.
1994.
That 87-94 period was definitely the worst period for mass shootings in the UK. Since the law changed there has been one in 24 years.
Total coincidence but we've also never had a mass shooting under a labour government it seems

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Cheers for that. I guess it could be argued (if anyone was interested enough which they're not) that the IRA or other paramilitary groups can get hold of guns in a way that ordinary people/criminals/nutcases can't, so they're not quite the same.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Do you think it would make a difference in the states if it became illegal to buy firearms?
Over here it’s illegal to carry guns and take drugs, but there’s more of both on the streets right now than ever.

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But there aren't as many guns over here per head of population as there are in the States. And guess which country records more deaths by guns and the greater legal supply thereof.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

But there aren't as many guns over here per head of population as there are in the States. And guess which country records more deaths by guns and the greater legal supply thereof.

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It would have to be a guess if you don't believe statistics!

So while Brits are getting upset and angry on the Yanks behalf, why don’t they vote to outlaw guns in the states? Answer.- Because they don’t want to. Simple.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

None. I’m giving an opinion, just like you. I don’t think it would be very difficult to buy drugs or a gun in the UK at the moment though, do you?

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Please drop me the details of how to buy a gun over hear , as i have no idea ,i do though know they sell them openly in USA shops AND very dangerous knives ( far worse than ours ) their drug trade is a billion times worse ,I'm astonished you are comparing the two countries in any shape or form ,thankfully so would a majority of like minded people in the UK .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Please drop me the details of how to buy a gun over hear , as i have no idea ,i do though know they sell them openly in USA shops AND very dangerous knives ( far worse than ours ) their drug trade is a billion times worse ,I'm astonished you are comparing the two countries in any shape or form ,thankfully so would a majority of like minded people in the UK .

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Why do you want a gun? Your as bad as the yanks! 😀

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Why do you want a gun? Your as bad as the yanks! ��

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I dont but you advised me and others and I quote ::

"I don’t think it would be very difficult to buy drugs or a gun in the UK "

Shall I offer your details to the authorities so you can help reduced the risk in the UK ,as its important and if you do think or know this fact isn't it our duty to report it and saves lives .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

I dont but you advised me and others and I quote ::

"I don’t think it would be very difficult to buy drugs or a gun in the UK "

Shall I offer your details to the authorities so you can help reduced the risk in the UK ,as its important and if you do think or know this fact isn't it our duty to report it and saves lives .

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Get over yourself.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Get over yourself.

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Just a concerned citizen looking to save innocent lives ,we should all pull together to fix our country ,and keep folk safe .

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

So while Brits are getting upset and angry on the Yanks behalf, why don’t they vote to outlaw guns in the states? Answer.- Because they don’t want to. Simple.

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Are people angry and upset or are they just saying it’s stupid that it’s so easy to buy guns, even if you have a history of domestic abuse or mental health.

It’s too late to make guns illegal there but sensible background checks would be sensible.

They won’t be brought in though because the NRA bribes the majority of senators.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

It would have to be a guess if you don't believe statistics!

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

The second amendment is over 200 years old. Written to protect citizens from tyrannical government. (like the British) by forming an armed militia as had been done at the start of the revolutionary war. The idea that it provides individual citizens to own assault weapons if ****ing ludicrous. But then arms is a very lucrative business so what are you going to do?

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200 hundred years ago the best anyone had were muskets and canons. Now U.S. citizen militias would be up against government forces who have an amazing array of weaponry and absolute control of the skies too. Assault rifles versus that would be akin to trying to stop a tank with a water pistol, and yet there are those who are determined to weaken them further by limiting them to handguns.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

200 hundred years ago the best anyone had were muskets and canons. Now U.S. citizen militias would be up against government forces who have an amazing array of weaponry and absolute control of the skies too. Assault rifles versus that would be akin to trying to stop a tank with a water pistol, and yet there are those who are determined to weaken them further by limiting them to handguns.

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Not far enough in my opinion. If they're going to keep the 2nd amendment it should specify matchlock muskets or pistols only.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/659...e-the-next-one

The impact doesn't stop on the shooting day, people are hit hard by days like yesterday for years if not forever. How can the US not see need for some change?

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Originally Posted by surge

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/659...e-the-next-one

The impact doesn't stop on the shooting day, people are hit hard by days like yesterday for years if not forever. How can the US not see need for some change?

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They are obviously ok with the current gun laws or they’d vote to change it.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

They are obviously ok with the current gun laws or they’d vote to change it.

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When was this on the ballot? I must have missed it.

This is the 307th mass shooting of 2018. Guns kill people. It what they're for. Militiary weapons are designed to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible. If you own one you're a ****.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

When was this on the ballot? I must have missed it.

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It doesn’t need to be on the ballot. People have a voice. They just need to use it.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

It doesn’t need to be on the ballot. People have a voice. They just need to use it.

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The majority of people in this country support sensible gun control. The majority of Republican politicians are in the pockets of the NRA. Most politicians don't run/most people don't vote on one issue.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

The majority of people in this country support sensible gun control. The majority of Republican politicians are in the pockets of the NRA. Most politicians don't run/most people don't vote on one issue.

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Makes you wonder what it will take to change the 200 year old rule about self arming. Kids shot in schools, students in clubs, Vegas, people in church, nothing seems to matter. Strange how no one with a gun saved any of the shot people in these places, so what’s the point?