Yesterday's attendance - some facts and figures

Hey TLG. http://youtu.be/kjJ1bsnxxhs

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Originally Posted by Grievous Angel wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 09:49

Oh dear, how sad, never mind. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/yawn.gif

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I find it sad that many fans have packed it in, the impact of TAN will live long into the history of CCFC, with success I'm sure that many will join/re-join the fan base, these things happen in cycles, the club pre Hammam had always been very up and down with support, those perpetuating 1,000's returning when back in blue have to look at themselves and ask themselves why did they spout such nonsense, a big crowd here and there in the past, doesn't make CCFC a big club, for the population of the area its a minnow of a club, when in the 3/4th division cycle it'll be back to under 10k when serving up shite, the championship should see it average out at about 15k but if Slade is permitted to trot out shite after shite every week then it'll not be long before a few k drop off from the 15K, of course TLG is fishing with this thread but, if the same aggression was shown to TAN at the beginning of the re-brand was shown to TAN as it is to TLG, perhaps this mess would have been nipped in the bud a little sooner, I'm a little surprised how easy it has been, to forget the match day buzz, I have been back for the odd game and enjoyed it, football is competing for peoples spare cash on the W/E, many have discovered other ways to enjoy and spend their spare cash on other things and also realised that they have families who would like to see some of the spare cash, unless a return to the premier league happens pretty soon my guess is that, it will take 20 years before the damage done by TAN and the acceptance of HIM by fans of the club is repaired, not buying a pastie and a pint in the stadium was not a big enough rejection of him IMO, the threat of closure unless blah blah blah I have heard too many times and that is just from Borley!!, he's a mile from me, he's doing OK, I very much want the team to win, listened to the game yesterday but the cycle of trudging to the stadium on a Saturday has been broken, any spare cash is set aside for my next easy jet ticket, the cycle will come back I'm sure at some point but at this time, i just don't see when.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 11:57

That's a weird conclusion. Tan's 'vision' came to an abrupt end last season and you're still using it as a rod to beat the club with regarding yesterdays attendance.

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I think that's a very tough ask under the circumstances. I'm guessing the attitudes of such people have changed markedly in recent years. I reckon that, like me and and you, the majority of them have now got better things to do with their leisure time and disposable income than to squander it on supporting a bunch of mediocre and vastly overpaid professional footballers.

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Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 11:09

That was before what was easily the least interesting season that the newer breed of City fans gained over the past decade or so will have had to endure before now. It's simple really, you serve up crap football that sees the team win at home in the league just three times so far this year and you are bound to see gates drop - especially when there is no transfer business to get people enthusiastic again during the summer break.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:50

You've only got to look at what has happened at the club down the years to realise that City have never been able to maintain crowds of 20,000 plus when results start to dip a little - add that to a the way the club has been turned into a laughing stock over the past few seasons and it's little surprise that even some of those who swore they'd be back when we returned to wearing blue have had enough.

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agree alfie. I quit once the rebrand was announced. ST money returned. ST went back to 1982. I haven't been back and won't be. I was actually at stamofrd bridge yesterday as a neutral. . quite amazing the way the fortunes of cardiff/swansea have worked out. one put fans on their board, stopped mega millioanire take overs and look where they are. cardiff, just wanted it all and sold their soul

Pompey (in Div 2) attracted 16,948 yesterday.

Just saying

It seems we have apparently lost thousands of fans due to VT and there was 75000 at the rugby and the football has been poor . Having said all that I think that over 15000 seems not a bad turnout .

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Originally Posted by heath/ccfc wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 12:25

Oh dear, how sad, never mind. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/yawn.gif

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Originally Posted by Grievous Angel wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 09:49

I find it sad that many fans have packed it in, the impact of TAN will live long into the history of CCFC, with success I'm sure that many will join/re-join the fan base, these things happen in cycles, the club pre Hammam had always been very up and down with support, those perpetuating 1,000's returning when back in blue have to look at themselves and ask themselves why did they spout such nonsense, a big crowd here and there in the past, doesn't make CCFC a big club, for the population of the area its a minnow of a club, when in the 3/4th division cycle it'll be back to under 10k when serving up shite, the championship should see it average out at about 15k but if Slade is permitted to trot out shite after shite every week then it'll not be long before a few k drop off from the 15K, of course TLG is fishing with this thread but, if the same aggression was shown to TAN at the beginning of the re-brand was shown to TAN as it is to TLG, perhaps this mess would have been nipped in the bud a little sooner, I'm a little surprised how easy it has been, to forget the match day buzz, I have been back for the odd game and enjoyed it, football is competing for peoples spare cash on the W/E, many have discovered other ways to enjoy and spend their spare cash on other things and also realised that they have families who would like to see some of the spare cash, unless a return to the premier league happens pretty soon my guess is that, it will take 20 years before the damage done by TAN and the acceptance of HIM by fans of the club is repaired, not buying a pastie and a pint in the stadium was not a big enough rejection of him IMO, the threat of closure unless blah blah blah I have heard too many times and that is just from Borley!!, he's a mile from me, he's doing OK, I very much want the team to win, listened to the game yesterday but the cycle of trudging to the stadium on a Saturday has been broken, any spare cash is set aside for my next easy jet ticket, the cycle will come back I'm sure at some point but at this time, i just don't see when.

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i have to be fair the shite was at least a better type of shite yesterday

A club needs two things to bring in the crowds: optimism that the team will win and a real connection between club and supporters.

Those two elements have gradually been growing since the FA cup final (perhaps before), rebrand maximised optimism for success while connection plummeted, the end result of the rebrand has been promise of leaner times and the club starting to think maybe a connection is important. 8 months of "blue is okay actually" hasn't done enough to boost us to the 18,000+ that would have been there without the rebrand years and it hasn't done enough to boost us to the 20,000+ that would have been there if the expectation of success had continued.

That the blue shirt sold more in its first day than any other shows the importance of blue, that the attendance has dropped showed (if there was any further proof needed) that Tan's rebrand was all short termism.

Ah well at least someone is happy.

Thats what we need togetherness and happiness.

Some Football fans are as fickle as a fourteen year old female in love.

We start winning they will come, we start losing people wont, simples as.

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Originally Posted by ragbone wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 13:05

Ah well at least someone is happy.

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I thought most people were happy after yesterday's game? That's the impression I got when I was reading the message boards this morning.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 13:19

Ah well at least someone is happy.

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Originally Posted by ragbone wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 13:05

I thought most people were happy after yesterday's game? That's the impression I got when I was reading the message boards this morning.

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We're all quite happy, stop stinking the place out with your bitter analysis.

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Originally Posted by Freitag 4.15 wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 13:23

We're all quite happy, stop stinking the place out with your bitter analysis.

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You don't sound happy. You sound a bit, uh, well, bitter.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:50

Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.

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Originally Posted by Sloop_Jon_Bee wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:36

The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:22

Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.

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Originally Posted by NigelBlues wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:16

Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012).

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:11

The last time Cardiff had a smaller attendance than yesterday's for their first home league game of a season was a decade ago in August 2005. On that occasion, 15,231 turned out on a Tuesday evening to see the Bluebirds beat Leeds United 2-1 at Ninian Park.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 09:41

Only Brentford and Rotherham United have so far attracted smaller crowds than Cardiff City on the opening weekend of the 2015/16 Championship campaign (Preston North End are playing Middlesbrough at lunchtime today).

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Spedger

The extra fans who boarded the red promotion train haven't stuck around. And we've lost previously loyal and committed fans along the way too. So we're now left with lower crowds than before Tan started applying his foresight and nous.

So far this appears to be unravelling precisely as predicted.

Was busier yesterday than most of last season. FACT.

If we go up or got to a Wembley final we'd sell around 25k season tickets, if we bum around mid table we'll have an average attendance of around 15k, if we go to league 1 about 12k.

It's mostly about success and always has been. I reckon Tan had alienated about 500-1k hardcore support but the low attendances now are mainly down to how sh1t we were last season and the low expectations for this season.

Simple/

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:53

Maybe not personally but this board was action-packed with martyrs in the recent past. You can't have missed it.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:42

Personally, I know plenty of people stopped going when the club was initially re-branded and plenty more who stopped during the first season in red. Some said they would consider returning to watch games if the blue kit was restored, but not a single one ever said they would simply return to supporting the club as before. After all, the divisions caused by Tan and his re-brand were always about a whole lot more than just the kit colour.

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Just curious

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 11:02

Ok but I'm not convinced attendances would suddenly spike if Tan left the club. What, in your opinion, would it take to get attendances as high as you seem to think they should be?

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:57

I'm not convinced they would spike either. There are a significant number of previously committed supporters who will never return as a result of the damage done by Tan and his re-brand and plenty of others who will only ever take in the occasional game in the future.

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You're at it again, so perhaps help us out on this one as well. Many thanks

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 13:46

The extra fans who boarded the red promotion train haven't stuck around. And we've lost previously loyal and committed fans along the way too. So we're now left with lower crowds than before Tan started applying his foresight and nous.

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how do you know they havent stuck around and loyal fans have left http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif maybe these loyal fans are not so loyal after all or simply the same as most people just go to certain games

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 12:32

That's a weird conclusion. Tan's 'vision' came to an abrupt end last season and you're still using it as a rod to beat the club with regarding yesterdays attendance.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 11:57

Maybe if you could convince this "significant number of previously committed supporters" that you know to stop being so fickle instead.

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Respect .

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Jimmy wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 11:08

You are the figures man - so perhaps you could have just posted - "attendances are down as some people no longer go"

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No substance to validate any of it

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:40

Tan's folly? TLG has proven in this thread that we had bigger crowds wearing red shirts and that all the "stay aways" who claimed they'd be back once we went back to blue were liars.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:22

How many people do you know who fit into the above category? Personally, I don't know any.

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Personally I know plenty.... No wait... Many

Great strike by Noone.

P.M.A.

There was major disconnection, division and disruption.
We all know this, but clearly choose to acknowledge it differently.

It could take years to get the full on fervour back.

If ever.

Remember when we used to look at other Teams' support and almost always observe that, compared to City, they were lacking in passion, fervour and joyful noise?

I think the outcome of the events of recent years is that we became a lot more 'like the others'.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 13:53

How many are "plenty and many" that you know personally? Just trying to gauge if it's a statistically significant number. It reads as though you might personally know thousands of people.

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How's that?

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Originally Posted by poc wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 13:57

The extra fans who boarded the red promotion train haven't stuck around. And we've lost previously loyal and committed fans along the way too. So we're now left with lower crowds than before Tan started applying his foresight and nous.

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 13:46

So far this appears to be unravelling precisely as predicted.

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I don't know, but it seemed like common sense to me when people suggested it. And more likely than trying to find ways for Tan's strategy to be seen as a success. I also think the club know it and are now trying to address it.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 13:57

You're at it again, so perhaps help us out on this one as well. Many thanks

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I'd estimate the first figure to be at least 500 and the second to be more than 1,000 and probably a good deal higher.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:03

Personally I know plenty.... No wait... Many

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Really? That's surprising because as someone who lives in Cardiff, ran a bus to away games, was heavily involved with the Supporters' Trust and was involved in a series of meetings between fans and club officials regarding the re-brand back in 2012, I don't know of any.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:15

How many are "plenty and many" that you know personally? Just trying to gauge if it's a statistically significant number. It reads as though you might personally know thousands of people.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 13:53

Ooh, let me see now....

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There you go - that wasn't hard was it

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:21

Personally I know plenty.... No wait... Many

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:03

Really? That's surprising because as someone who lives in Cardiff, ran a bus to away games, was heavily involved with the Supporters' Trust and was involved in a series of meetings between fans and club officials regarding the re-brand back in 2012, I don't know of any.

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You need to get better connected then

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Originally Posted by Cardiff Irish wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 13:15

Some Football fans are as fickle as a fourteen year old female in love.

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It's as simple as that. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:22

There you go - that wasn't hard was it

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No, it wasn't. But then it didn't make the initial contribution any more valid or interesting either.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:18

You're at it again, so perhaps help us out on this one as well. Many thanks

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 13:57

I'd estimate the first figure to be at least 500 and the second to be more than 1,000 and probably a good deal higher.

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Whilst from a data integrity perspective I'm interested in how many you know personally, your estimates in this response add no value as they are unsubstantiated.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:27

Whilst from a data integrity perspective I'm interested in how many you know personally, your estimates in this response add no value as they are unsubstantiated.

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Indeed. So it was a waste of time asking for them, really.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:22

Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.

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Originally Posted by NigelBlues wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:16

The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:11

Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 09:41

Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012).

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The red wearing wankers have moved along now. Back to the hardcore .... http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:25

There you go - that wasn't hard was it

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:22

No, it wasn't. But then it didn't make the initial contribution any more valid or interesting either.

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Perhaps not but we are now a lot clearer on the fact that everything associated with the last few years has possibly cost the club as many as 50 people you know personally who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with it anymore. (Apart from those who can't stay away from commenting on it... Obviously)

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 09:41

Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.

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so what !!!

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:32

Perhaps not but we are now a lot clearer on the fact that everything associated with the last few years has possibly cost the club as many as 50 people you know personally who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with it anymore. (Apart from those who can't stay away from commenting on it... Obviously)

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That's nonsense.

Better crowd than I expected.

Much better atmosphere than it has been for a long long time.

Those that did turn up sang more than we have had for a while.

It felt like watching my Cardiff City for the first time in a couple of years.