European Superstate Imminent?

A move to a political union means all of the current rules change, and the EU will not be what it is now. So ask yourself, if it is such a great thing, why is it a subject that cannot be spoken about, and has consistently been been denied for 50+ years?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

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I've never really been a fan of Farage but he has always said what he thinks of them..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiRM3c7_iYI

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

I've never really been a fan of Farage but he has always said what he thinks of them.

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The Euro is going to fail there is no doubt about that, and as Farage correctly points out they will be coming for your assets just as they did in Cyprus.

The Sun speaks :biggrin:


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politi...-voted-brexit/

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

The Euro is going to fail there is no doubt about that, and as Farage correctly points out they will be coming for your assets just as they did in Cyprus.

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You'd better tell them then if you have a crystal ball

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Originally Posted by blue matt

So Argentina invade the Falklands again, we then have to go and ask the EU ( who control the armed forces ) if we can go and take the Falklands back, they call a meeting and vote on it and come back to us and say " no go, little old UK, we wouldnt want to upset any trade routes with the south Americans "

Oh sorry Falklands, you are on your own now, cheerio :wave:

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it's funny, when economists warn against brexit, its scaremongering. When you talk about something far more far-fetched, it's fact. go figure

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Originally Posted by Rjk

You'd better tell them then if you have a crystal ball

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It doesn't need a crystal ball to see that the Euro is fecked :thumbup:

If the EU were to fail, who would that be good news for?
Putin?
China?
USA?
Multinational companies?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

If the EU were to fail, who would that be good news for?
Putin?
China?
USA?
Multinational companies?

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The globalists.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

The Sun speaks :biggrin:


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politi...-voted-brexit/

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I keep seeing things like that saying we dodged a bullet ect but we are still in the EU at the moment :hehe:

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Originally Posted by tommy31

it's funny, when economists warn against brexit, its scaremongering. When you talk about something far more far-fetched, it's fact. go figure

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what part is far fetched ? ? ?

The Argentinians invading the Falkland Islands ? ?? you might have missed it, it happened a while back, 1982 ( without googling it )

A Europeans armed force ? ? ? hasnt this been discussed before ? ? ?

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Originally Posted by blue matt

what part is far fetched ? ? ?

The Argentinians invading the Falkland Islands ? ?? you might have missed it, it happened a while back, 1982 ( without googling it )

A Europeans armed force ? ? ? hasnt this been discussed before ? ? ?

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so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering

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Originally Posted by tommy31

so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering

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where have i said it is guaranteed to happen ? ? ?

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Originally Posted by blue matt

where have i said it is guaranteed to happen ? ? ?

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are you trying to tell me that this isnt going to happen? then why bring it up? oh right yeah, scaremongering :wave:

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Originally Posted by tommy31

it's funny, when economists warn against brexit, its scaremongering. When you talk about something far more far-fetched, it's fact. go figure

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Originally Posted by tommy31

so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering

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Originally Posted by tommy31

are you trying to tell me that this isnt going to happen? then why bring it up? oh right yeah, scaremongering :wave:

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first of all you say " it's fact. and not scaremongering "

now its scaremongering


its a worse case scenario but only 2 years ago Argentina were making the wrong noises about the Falklands and were not russia leasing them some fighter jets ? ? ? so who knows down the line what will happen, i just like the idea of a armed force that we ( the UK ) whole 100% control over

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Originally Posted by blue matt

first of all you say " it's fact. and not scaremongering "

now its scaremongering


its a worse case scenario but only 2 years ago Argentina were making the wrong noises about the Falklands and were not russia leasing them some fighter jets ? ? ? so who knows down the line what will happen, i just like the idea of a armed force that we ( the UK ) whole 100% control over

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What are you on about here? surely you understand the point I'm making.. if not, I'd be worried.

Of course, but as many have said, the UK have a veto. And what's more, this would obviously be spoken about before a hypothetical European army was created.

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Originally Posted by tommy31

What are you on about here? surely you understand the point I'm making.. if not, I'd be worried.

Of course, but as many have said, the UK have a veto. And what's more, this would obviously be spoken about before a hypothetical European army was created.

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I don't think that is how political union works :-)

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I don't think that is how political union works :-)

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How does it work then oh wise one

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Originally Posted by tommy31

How does it work then oh wise one

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The majority in Brussels decide who they are going to bomb or not.

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Originally Posted by tommy31

What are you on about here? surely you understand the point I'm making.. if not, I'd be worried.

Of course, but as many have said, the UK have a veto. And what's more, this would obviously be spoken about before a hypothetical European army was created.

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I understood what you were saying, but i found it entertaining you first said :

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Originally Posted by tommy31

it's funny, when economists warn against brexit, its scaremongering. When you talk about something far more far-fetched, it's fact. go figure

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my scenario was suddenly a fact and not scaremongering

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Originally Posted by tommy31

so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering

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Originally Posted by tommy31

are you trying to tell me that this isnt going to happen? then why bring it up? oh right yeah, scaremongering :wave:

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then you downgraded it to scaremongering

when in reality its just some bloke sat on his PC concerned about giving up out armed forces and leaving them in the full control of the EU

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Originally Posted by blue matt

I understood what you were saying, but i found it entertaining you first said :



my scenario was suddenly a fact and not scaremongering





then you downgraded it to scaremongering

when in reality its just some bloke sat on his PC concerned about giving up out armed forces and leaving them in the full control of the EU

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There was no downgrading. you clearly havent understood what I wrote. Please go back and read it again.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

The majority in Brussels decide who they are going to bomb or not.

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of course, once it has been agreed to hand power to them in the first place, correct.

put it this way, they wont have control of the army without consent from the uk parliament.

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Originally Posted by tommy31

There was no downgrading. you clearly havent understood what I wrote. Please go back and read it again.

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No, i dont want to do this again with someone else, but you wrote

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Originally Posted by tommy31

it's funny, when economists warn against brexit, its scaremongering. When you talk about something far more far-fetched, it's fact. go figure

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look at the above quote, you imply it wasnt scaremongering but was fact

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Originally Posted by tommy31

so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering

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Originally Posted by tommy31

are you trying to tell me that this isnt going to happen? then why bring it up? oh right yeah, scaremongering :wave:

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then you call it scaremongering

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Originally Posted by blue matt

No, i dont want to do this again with someone else, but you wrote



look at the above quote, you imply it wasnt scaremongering but was fact





then you call it scaremongering

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There's where you arent understanding what I wrote.

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Originally Posted by tommy31

There's where you arent understanding what I wrote.

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i have to admit, i dont understand what you meant then

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Originally Posted by blue matt

i have to admit, i dont understand what you meant then

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yeah... me neither ha. But that bit in bold is the bit you're misunderstanding. (got there)

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Originally Posted by tommy31

yeah... me neither ha. But that bit in bold is the bit you're misunderstanding. (got there)

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reminds me of a kids show

If you dont know

and i dont know

who knows


a quick google tells me it was " Bits and Bobs "

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Originally Posted by tommy31

of course, once it has been agreed to hand power to them in the first place, correct.

put it this way, they wont have control of the army without consent from the uk parliament.

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What UK parliament? Under political unification all nations will cease to exist. I think you need to look into it a bit more :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

What UK parliament? Under political unification all nations will cease to exist. I think you need to look into it a bit more :thumbup:

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ok, so lets go towards that. The parliament won't cease to exist until power is transferred to the EU parliament. They don't just take it by default. Perhaps you should brush up first :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by tommy31

ok, so lets go towards that. The parliament won't cease to exist until power is transferred to the EU parliament. They don't just take it by default. Perhaps you should brush up first :thumbup:

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It will be a clean slate. You can't have 28 nations submitting pre-conditions. The United States of Europe will be a new country. If they say German will be the first language that is what will happen.

A single army (which Cameron said would never happen)
One central bank
No control of Criminal Law system
EU wide taxation.
No border controls whatsoever.
WE would not have shared Sovereignty - WE WOULD HAVE NO SOVEREIGNTY

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Originally Posted by Catkins51

A single army (which Cameron said would never happen)
One central bank
No control of Criminal Law system
EU wide taxation.
No border controls whatsoever.
WE would not have shared Sovereignty - WE WOULD HAVE NO SOVEREIGNTY

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I'm not seeing the downside ?

Would citizens of a united states of Europe have more or less SOVEREIGNTY than those of the united states of America?

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Originally Posted by ian gibson

The Coudenhove-Kalergi plan

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Have you seen any of the winners of theCoudenhove-Kalergi European Prize?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

It will be a clean slate. You can't have 28 nations submitting pre-conditions. The United States of Europe will be a new country. If they say German will be the first language that is what will happen.

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Can't see a National health service fitting in.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I'm not seeing the downside ?

Would citizens of a united states of Europe have more or less SOVEREIGNTY than those of the united states of America?

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You do realize that once the United States of Europe project is complete, it then moves onto the United States of Europe, Asia and the Middle-East, followed by Africa. This is a globalist project. And they are not coming up to our level, we are going down to theirs. What do you thing the financial crisis and austerity is all about?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You do realize that once the United States of Europe project is complete, it then moves onto the United States of Europe, Asia and the Middle-East, followed by Africa. This is a globalist project. And they are not coming up to our level, we are going down to theirs. What do you thing the financial crisis and austerity is all about?

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Plenty more wild fantasy presented as fact again there.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Plenty more wild fantasy presented as fact again there.

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Mate, there are plenty of first person accounts, along with official and leaked documents on the internet, open your eyes and get your arse out of the BBC :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Mate, there are plenty of first person accounts, along with official and leaked documents on the internet, open your eyes and get your arse out of the BBC :thumbup:

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There's a lot of bullshit out there posted by fantasists as well.
In my experience most people who are into "alternative" news suffer even more from confirmation bias than most people.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

There's a lot of bullshit out there posted by fantasists as well.
In my experience most people who are into "alternative" news suffer even more from confirmation bias than most people.

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So just ignore the "alternative" news and consult the actual documents and direct quotes :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

So just ignore the "alternative" news and consult the actual documents and direct quotes :thumbup:

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If any ever get posted on here then I might.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

If any ever get posted on here then I might.

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Did you ever get around to looking at that Saving Syria's children stuff?