By which legal authority does UK special forces have to be in Syria?

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Originally Posted by Splott Dave

"Photographs obtained by the BBC" is an attribution only. They could have been purchased by the BBC. Have a word with City photographer Carl and he'll explain all about how his photos of City games don't always get attributed to him by msm.

The BBC operates at the behest of the state pure and simple. We saw it at the time of the attack on Libya also on Iraq. The BBC did not dissent from the government line at the time. True journalism is about questioning government not cosying up to them, or worse still, just regurgitating press statements left right and center.

Who knows why they've chosen to show photographs that are almost two months old now. We can only speculate at this stage. there was an interview as well which accompanied the photographs. It could be used to prepare the public for the idea of larger forces being sent into Syria. At this stage we don't know.

Whatever the reason their very being there is illegal and could be construed as an act of war by the UK against the state of Syria. One thing's for sure they're not there assisting the Syrian government. They're not there by invitation as the Russians were.

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The thing is you seem to be just accepting that these photos are real and so is the story. The BBC are the ones saying they "purchased" them. How do we know that is the truth, and it's not just released by the BBC? Has anyone admitted to selling them to the BBC?

If we are to agree that the BBC are a government mouthpiece or at least cosy up to the government. What is to suggest that these haven't been deliberately released by the government, but they aren't really the truth? Who knows what the agenda could be?

You seem to have just accepted they are real, with no evidence other than the BBCs word that they "purchased" them.

As you've said, the BBC aren't trustworthy so why are we trusting them on this issue.

Too many questions about an unknown "purchase" to believe this story, for a person such as yourself who always checks the sources of the stories.

The thing is you seem to be just accepting that these photos are real and so is the story. The BBC are the ones saying they "purchased" them. How do we know that is the truth, and it's not just released by the BBC? Has anyone admitted to selling them to the BBC?

If we are to agree that the BBC are a government mouthpiece or at least cosy up to the government. What is to suggest that these haven't been deliberately released by the government, but they aren't really the truth? Who knows what the agenda could be?

You seem to have just accepted they are real, with no evidence other than the BBCs word that they "purchased" them.

The BBC purchase lots of things TB including independently produced programmes and photo-journalist's shots which are of interest to them. You'll recall that Richard Gutjahr explained that he gave 80 live broadcasts and then copyrighted his pictures. Don't take my word for it, speak to Carl down the City.

We live in an internet age TB so if they were not real the news of it would be all over the alternative news websites by now.


As you've said, the BBC aren't trustworthy so why are we trusting them on this issue.

I said no such thing. You're doing it again.

Too many questions about an unknown "purchase" to believe this story, for a person such as yourself who always checks the sources of the stories.


There is an absence of any credible countervailing claims with regard to these photos.

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Originally Posted by TruBlue

The thing is you seem to be just accepting that these photos are real and so is the story. The BBC are the ones saying they "purchased" them. How do we know that is the truth, and it's not just released by the BBC? Has anyone admitted to selling them to the BBC?

If we are to agree that the BBC are a government mouthpiece or at least cosy up to the government. What is to suggest that these haven't been deliberately released by the government, but they aren't really the truth? Who knows what the agenda could be?

You seem to have just accepted they are real, with no evidence other than the BBCs word that they "purchased" them.

As you've said, the BBC aren't trustworthy so why are we trusting them on this issue.

Too many questions about an unknown "purchase" to believe this story, for a person such as yourself who always checks the sources of the stories.

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Have we finished with this now TB?

https://www.rt.com/uk/355369-sas-marines-syria-isis/

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Originally Posted by Splott Dave

The thing is you seem to be just accepting that these photos are real and so is the story. The BBC are the ones saying they "purchased" them. How do we know that is the truth, and it's not just released by the BBC? Has anyone admitted to selling them to the BBC?

If we are to agree that the BBC are a government mouthpiece or at least cosy up to the government. What is to suggest that these haven't been deliberately released by the government, but they aren't really the truth? Who knows what the agenda could be?

You seem to have just accepted they are real, with no evidence other than the BBCs word that they "purchased" them.

The BBC purchase lots of things TB including independently produced programmes and photo-journalist's shots which are of interest to them. You'll recall that Richard Gutjahr explained that he gave 80 live broadcasts and then copyrighted his pictures. Don't take my word for it, speak to Carl down the City.

We live in an internet age TB so if they were not real the news of it would be all over the alternative news websites by now.


As you've said, the BBC aren't trustworthy so why are we trusting them on this issue.

I said no such thing. You're doing it again.

Too many questions about an unknown "purchase" to believe this story, for a person such as yourself who always checks the sources of the stories.


There is an absence of any credible countervailing claims with regard to these photos.

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Now you are talking nonsense. If these photos aren't real they'd not be rubbished by RT, Radioislam, PressTC, Sputnik etc as it suits their agenda.

How does anyone counterclaim anything if it's just been made up.

Come on, you often say to research your own sources. You've no idea if these photos are genuine or if the BBC really bought them. You believe they are as it suits your viewpoint.

That's fine, but at least admit you are happy to trust the BBC as a source and not be so quick to dismiss them next time someone uses them.

Now you are talking nonsense. If these photos aren't real they'd not be rubbished by RT, Radioislam, PressTC, Sputnik etc as it suits their agenda.


You're doing it again.

How does anyone counterclaim anything if it's just been made up.

Really? Look at the counterclaims for the SITE beheadings.

Come on, you often say to research your own sources. You've no idea if these photos are genuine or if the BBC really bought them. You believe they are as it suits your viewpoint.


RT have moved the story on now TB


That's fine, but at least admit you are happy to trust the BBC as a source and not be so quick to dismiss them next time someone uses them.


I will continue to look at msm on a case by case basis as I have always done, thankyou.

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Originally Posted by TruBlue

Now you are talking nonsense. If these photos aren't real they'd not be rubbished by RT, Radioislam, PressTC, Sputnik etc as it suits their agenda.

How does anyone counterclaim anything if it's just been made up.

Come on, you often say to research your own sources. You've no idea if these photos are genuine or if the BBC really bought them. You believe they are as it suits your viewpoint.

That's fine, but at least admit you are happy to trust the BBC as a source and not be so quick to dismiss them next time someone uses them.

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Maybe Russia bombing the same base that has been used by UK special forces and the news today that hundreds more marines will be sent, may make some ask why we and parliament have not been asked about this?

http://www.anonews.co/russia-us-base/

https://www.rt.com/uk/355369-sas-marines-syria-isis/

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Originally Posted by Splott Dave

I will continue to look at msm on a case by case basis as I have always done, thankyou.

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As I said, it's believable when you like the story and worthy of contempt when you don't.

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Originally Posted by TruBlue

As I said, it's believable when you like the story and worthy of contempt when you don't.

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So you agree that they're there.They shouldn't be as they're uninvited and now it looks as if we're sending Royal Marines to train Jihadist head chopping mercenaries, who change their name by the month.

What could possibly go wrong..?

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Originally Posted by Splott Dave

So you agree that they're there.They shouldn't be as they're uninvited and now it looks as if we're sending Royal Marines to train Jihadist head chopping mercenaries, who change their name by the month.

What could possibly go wrong..?

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Where did I say I agree they are there?

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Originally Posted by TH63

A blog operated by half a dozen people called "uprooted palestinians" is hardly a paragon of unbiased and accurate reporting is it now?

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It's hard to know what sites to trust, I think it's easier to find out which ones you don't trust first, if you have ever wondered why I'm not a fan of the BBC here is one of the many reasons, Panorama's 'Saving Syria’s Children' I have followed this story from the night it was on tv as I felt there were things not right about it, the whole programme felt fake, I must have rewound the part where they enter the room full of bomb "victims" a hundred times because I could not believe what I was watching.

Robert Stuart is a former newspaper reporter, he believes it was fabricated, in his blog you will find all correspondence between him and the BBC, independent reports and commentary, details of FOI requests ect, was it fabricated? take a look and decide for yourself, personally I think it was.

"Fabrication in BBC Panorama 'Saving Syria’s Children'
Analysis of the 30 September 2013 BBC Panorama documentary 'Saving Syria's Children' and related BBC News reports, contending that sequences filmed by BBC personnel and others at Atareb Hospital, Aleppo on 26 August 2013 purporting to show the aftermath of an incendiary bomb attack on a school in Urm Al-Kubra are largely, if not entirely, staged." https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/

https://youtu.be/lu6TlmHnd4c

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

It's hard to know what sites to trust, I think it's easier to find out which ones you don't trust first, if you have ever wondered why I'm not a fan of the BBC here is one of the many reasons, Panorama's 'Saving Syria’s Children' I have followed this story from the night it was on tv as I felt there were things not right about it, the whole programme felt fake, I must have rewound the part where they enter the room full of bomb "victims" a hundred times because I could not believe what I was watching.



Robert Stuart is a former newspaper reporter, he believes it was fabricated, in his blog you will find all correspondence between him and the BBC, independent reports and commentary, details of FOI requests ect, was it fabricated? take a look and decide for yourself, personally I think it was.

"Fabrication in BBC Panorama 'Saving Syria’s Children'
Analysis of the 30 September 2013 BBC Panorama documentary 'Saving Syria's Children' and related BBC News reports, contending that sequences filmed by BBC personnel and others at Atareb Hospital, Aleppo on 26 August 2013 purporting to show the aftermath of an incendiary bomb attack on a school in Urm Al-Kubra are largely, if not entirely, staged." https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/

https://youtu.be/lu6TlmHnd4c

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The so called palestinians are experts on faking bomb scenes so thats probably where they got the idea from.
Oddly enough before bin splott got banned someone used a link to a blog to counter some half truth/propoganda that splotto was spouting and the derision and scorn that he poured on the poster for using a blog and not some dodgy website was quite staggering.

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Originally Posted by goslow

The so called palestinians are experts on faking bomb scenes so thats probably where they got the idea from.
Oddly enough before bin splott got banned someone used a link to a blog to counter some half truth/propoganda that splotto was spouting and the derision and scorn that he poured on the poster for using a blog and not some dodgy website was quite staggering.

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I'm not getting involved in that one :biggrin: I do notice many questionable things on the news though, even Steve has had 'wtf' moments where he has rewound the tv because something looks dodgy, we are deceived more than we realise I think.

Like with people I judge web sites on their content, just because somebody does not have an expensive flashy web site it does not mean they are not honest, I also find links to lots of links to information I might not have come across had I not been on a blog site.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

I'm not getting involved in that one :biggrin: I do notice many questionable things on the news though, even Steve has had 'wtf' moments where he has rewound the tv because something looks dodgy, we are deceived more than we realise I think.

Like with people I judge web sites on their content, just because somebody does not have an expensive flashy web site it does not mean they are not honest, I also find links to lots of links to information I might not have come across had I not been on a blog site.

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Trouble with bin splottos links are they are almost always single issue websites blaming all the worlds ills on a single religious grouping(big noses no 4skins)

Some good newsfor a change-

London schoolgirl who flew to Syria to join IS 'feared dead'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37053699

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Originally Posted by goslow

Some good newsfor a change-

London schoolgirl who flew to Syria to join IS 'feared dead'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37053699

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That's what I like about you goslow, your sensitivity :biggrin: me and gluey were talking about that story when it first came out, I can't remember what they were now but there were many things that didn't add up about it.

Someone else who is not a fan of the BBC..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTX4-wNPIps

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

That's what I like about you goslow, your sensitivity :biggrin: me and gluey were talking about that story when it first came out, I can't remember what they were now but there were many things that didn't add up about it.

Someone else who is not a fan of the BBC..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTX4-wNPIps

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Just count the times that the BBC, et al have used the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights as the authoritative organisation to quote, when it comes to 'news reports' from inside Syria.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a war monitor, said helicopters dropped explosive barrels on the neighbourhoods of Seif al Dawla and Zubdiya, leading to the death of a woman and her child from suffocation.

All fine and good until you start to look at just what this organisation is in terms of news reporting. It's run from a residential house in Coventry by a man who owns a T-shirt shop there. Do the research on it then look at all of the global msm news organisations that have used it as a reliable source for the last five years.


http://www.dawn.com/news/1276933

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Originally Posted by Splott Dave

Just count the times that the BBC, et al have used the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights as the authoritative organisation to quote, when it comes to 'news reports' from inside Syria.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a war monitor, said helicopters dropped explosive barrels on the neighbourhoods of Seif al Dawla and Zubdiya, leading to the death of a woman and her child from suffocation.

All fine and good until you start to look at just what this organisation is in terms of news reporting. It's run from a residential house in Coventry by a man who owns a T-shirt shop there. Do the research on it then look at all of the global msm news organisations that have used it as a reliable source for the last five years.


http://www.dawn.com/news/1276933

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:hehe:

Maybe we should treat the link in the OP with a pinch of salt then if the BBC get up to such underhand tactics......

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

That's what I like about you goslow, your sensitivity :biggrin: me and gluey were talking about that story when it first came out, I can't remember what they were now but there were many things that didn't add up about it.

Someone else who is not a fan of the BBC..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTX4-wNPIps

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You can't beat a bit of Darwinism :hehe:

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Originally Posted by TruBlue

:hehe:

Maybe we should treat the link in the OP with a pinch of salt then if the BBC get up to such underhand tactics......

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What it demonstrates is that to remain properly informed on issues, you have to widen your choices of sources, as Organ has pointed out this morning.

The bbc are c*nts. Their deliberate, shameful behaviour at Orgreave, where they set out to discredit and turn the nation against the striking miners, showed them for what they are really all about, and it isn't impartial journalism.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

I'm not getting involved in that one :biggrin: I do notice many questionable things on the news though, even Steve has had 'wtf' moments where he has rewound the tv because something looks dodgy, we are deceived more than we realise I think.

Like with people I judge web sites on their content, just because somebody does not have an expensive flashy web site it does not mean they are not honest, I also find links to lots of links to information I might not have come across had I not been on a blog site.

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More mainstream games?
http://www.romaniajournal.ro/false-r...ers-disclosed/

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Originally Posted by TruBlue

As I said, it's believable when you like the story and worthy of contempt when you don't.

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Maybe you should start to take a closer look at what is going on and how it's spun as 'news' to an unsuspecting public?

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/08...o-obama-.html#

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Originally Posted by goslow

You can't beat a bit of Darwinism :hehe:

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Splott Dave

What it demonstrates is that to remain properly informed on issues, you have to widen your choices of sources, as Organ has pointed out this morning.

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What it demonstrates is that the BBC don't do these things off their own back.

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Originally Posted by ian gibson

The bbc are c*nts. Their deliberate, shameful behaviour at Orgreave, where they set out to discredit and turn the nation against the striking miners, showed them for what they are really all about, and it isn't impartial journalism.

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That reversed footage thing was pretty evil, it shows how easily they can show the same event in a totally different light with just a little bit of trickery, it was so long ago too, how many stories have they manipulated or made up since then? I really dread to think.

For anyone interested
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-miners-strike

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Originally Posted by TruBlue

:hehe:

Maybe we should treat the link in the OP with a pinch of salt then if the BBC get up to such underhand tactics......

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Sky News are at as well, fabricating 'news stories' for a gullible public.

http://www.romaniajournal.ro/sky-new...t-lawyer-says/

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

:hehe:

What it demonstrates is that the BBC don't do these things off their own back.


That reversed footage thing was pretty evil, it shows how easily they can show the same event in a totally different light with just a little bit of trickery, it was so long ago too, how many stories have they manipulated or made up since then? I really dread to think.

For anyone interested
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-miners-strike

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CNN's 'heroes on the ground' for Al-Qaeda?

https://twitter.com/theLemniscat/sta...73637732294656

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

I'm not getting involved in that one :biggrin: I do notice many questionable things on the news though, even Steve has had 'wtf' moments where he has rewound the tv because something looks dodgy, we are deceived more than we realise I think.

Like with people I judge web sites on their content, just because somebody does not have an expensive flashy web site it does not mean they are not honest, I also find links to lots of links to information I might not have come across had I not been on a blog site.

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Here's old Rami from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, the favourite go-to 'news agency' of Sky News, BBC and most mainstream newspapers in the UK.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=123357

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

It's hard to know what sites to trust, I think it's easier to find out which ones you don't trust first, if you have ever wondered why I'm not a fan of the BBC here is one of the many reasons, Panorama's 'Saving Syria’s Children' I have followed this story from the night it was on tv as I felt there were things not right about it, the whole programme felt fake, I must have rewound the part where they enter the room full of bomb "victims" a hundred times because I could not believe what I was watching.

Robert Stuart is a former newspaper reporter, he believes it was fabricated, in his blog you will find all correspondence between him and the BBC, independent reports and commentary, details of FOI requests ect, was it fabricated? take a look and decide for yourself, personally I think it was.

"Fabrication in BBC Panorama 'Saving Syria’s Children'
Analysis of the 30 September 2013 BBC Panorama documentary 'Saving Syria's Children' and related BBC News reports, contending that sequences filmed by BBC personnel and others at Atareb Hospital, Aleppo on 26 August 2013 purporting to show the aftermath of an incendiary bomb attack on a school in Urm Al-Kubra are largely, if not entirely, staged." https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/

https://youtu.be/lu6TlmHnd4c

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Yet another exposure on how the public have been duped by UK's mainstream media when it comes to Syria.

https://www.rt.com/news/317372-nimro...n-observatory/


All of these faux news agencies have a similar theme to them. They're all against any country that Israel has deemed as an 'enemy'.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

It's hard to know what sites to trust, I think it's easier to find out which ones you don't trust first, if you have ever wondered why I'm not a fan of the BBC here is one of the many reasons, Panorama's 'Saving Syria’s Children' I have followed this story from the night it was on tv as I felt there were things not right about it, the whole programme felt fake, I must have rewound the part where they enter the room full of bomb "victims" a hundred times because I could not believe what I was watching.

Robert Stuart is a former newspaper reporter, he believes it was fabricated, in his blog you will find all correspondence between him and the BBC, independent reports and commentary, details of FOI requests ect, was it fabricated? take a look and decide for yourself, personally I think it was.

"Fabrication in BBC Panorama 'Saving Syria’s Children'
Analysis of the 30 September 2013 BBC Panorama documentary 'Saving Syria's Children' and related BBC News reports, contending that sequences filmed by BBC personnel and others at Atareb Hospital, Aleppo on 26 August 2013 purporting to show the aftermath of an incendiary bomb attack on a school in Urm Al-Kubra are largely, if not entirely, staged." https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/

https://youtu.be/lu6TlmHnd4c

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/articl...-story-is-fake

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Originally Posted by Splott Dave

Yet another exposure on how the public have been duped by UK's mainstream media when it comes to Syria.

https://www.rt.com/news/317372-nimro...n-observatory/


All of these faux news agencies have a similar theme to them. They're all against any country that Israel has deemed as an 'enemy'.

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So all the other links were just padding to build up to where you heading all along :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Splott Dave

Sky News are at as well, fabricating 'news stories' for a gullible public.

http://www.romaniajournal.ro/sky-new...t-lawyer-says/

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I'm not sure if you've got this the wrong way around or not but it is you that is using the BBC as a source in this thread not me.

You must be one of those "gullible public".

You need to widen your horizons, as Organ mentioned. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by TruBlue

I'm not sure if you've got this the wrong way around or not but it is you that is using the BBC as a source in this thread not me.

You must be one of those "gullible public".

You need to widen your horizons, as Organ mentioned. :thumbup:

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I have already stated, the BBC is a state run media organisation, thus its news side of the organisation simply will never put out any items which are not considered to be in the public interest, or items which compromise UK security.

The likely purpose for putting out a two month old photograph as a news item, is to prepare the British public for more military involvement to come. This further element involving Royal Marines has already been reported by RT. It's on the thread.

I should imagine we have active uninvited forces in many parts of the world ,keeping an eye on the areas of the world that pose danger to normal democratic peaceful societies, I'm grateful for their watching brief.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

I should imagine we have active uninvited forces in many parts of the world ,keeping an eye on the areas of the world that pose danger to normal democratic peaceful societies, I'm grateful for their watching brief.

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How does a civil war and differences in political ideology 'pose a danger to normal democratic peaceful societies'? Those 'normal democratic peaceful societies' are the same ones who initiated acts of war against states that they did not like.

Take what we now know about Libya for example:

https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpre...fi-motive-oil/