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If you're referring to support for the Palestinians and anti-Zionism then I've been doing that since I was sixteen.Quote:
Originally Posted by goslow
Corbyn is facing the same for precisely the same reasons.
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/09/20/k...-public-video/
Getting back to the tweet you posted where does it say he's in tel aviv and who gets called a nazi?
The Dan Hodges tweet is on the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by goslow
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/778225743738314752
The Zionist troll in Israel that he copied in to the thread.
https://twitter.com/Rysk75
Can some please clear something up for me here, is it a Jewish persecution or a Zionist one?
even spotty doesn't know :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
It's very clear in the opening post on the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
It's just that whenever one accuses Splotty of being anti-jewish, he gets all defensive and insists that he's not, that he's anti zionist and Jews and Zionists are two completely different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
You can see my confusion.
My Twitter has lots of Jewish followers on it which you are welcome to check out and contact them for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
They self-identify as being anti-Zionist Jews. There are no reports or evidence of any anti-Zionist Jews opposing Jeremy Corbyn. In fact if you look carefully into the activities of so called Jewish 'protection' organisations such as the CST, you will find that their 'support' or 'protection' suddenly stops, or is withdrawn, if they find out that the person they are dealing with is anti-Zionist and Jewish.
so again why the thread title, it surely should read "the ongoing Zionist persecution of jeremy Corbyn" you can see our confusionQuote:
Originally Posted by Splott David
Here's an interview between two passionate Zionists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uewu5eG2v6c
The interviewer of Alan Dershowitz is Jonathan Sacerdoti you can find out all about him in the link below. To the truly delusional Zionists, the whole world is anti-Semitic and this interview is no different as Dershowitz accuses the Methodist Church of being anti-Semitic.
http://www.spinwatch.org/index.php/b...el-commentator
could you answer the question re the thread title, a simple explanation would suffice, cheersQuote:
Originally Posted by Splott David
What - if you don't mind me asking - was the catalyst to you becoming interested in the Israel/Palestine question at such a young age?Quote:
Originally Posted by Splott David
The 1967 Six Day War. People in military logistics explained to me how the way that the narrative had been presented with regard to the Israeli tanks was impossible. The same tanks fought in Sinai and then raced through Israel to fight in the Golan all without logistical preparation. Later other's confirmed that the amount of logistics involved would have taken months to prepare and then they would have to be precisely where you needed them when you needed them. The only way that could be achieved is if the war was pre-planned and the Israelis knew what they would need and where it had to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabalphaville
Later accounts which came out confirmed that it had been a war of aggression and that no one in the Israeli military ever thought that there was a serious threat from either Egypt or Syria.
How many links expressing similar views to the one in this article do you want me to provide for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
http://forward.com/news/320934/why-j...-british-jews/
If you really thought about it, it's not so much Corbyn that is being persecuted, but sections of the British electorate who voted for him as leader and continued supporting him against the parliamentary Labour MP's, the establishment and the pro-Israeli lobby.
Jesus Christ ! You're sailing a bit close to the wind. I've just had a look at your twitter site and I can't believe they haven't stuck you in a crate and shipped you off to some Israeli prison. Haven't you ever heard of anonymity? There's bravery and there's recklessness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splott David
I go on messageboards to find out what people are thinking and also to bend someone's ear if they are silly enough to listen me, but you have taken this to another level. You really want to influence things and you don't seem to be bothered about the cost to yourself. I admire that but I wonder if it is it worth it. You are certainly going to annoy some dangerous people, but can you change the minds of the neutrals and the ignorant. Has anyone ever said you have changed their opinion?
I think the best we can do is to post links to sites which expose establishment lies using logic and evidence. In my opinion it is a waste of time arguing face to face - or the twitter equivalent - with fanatics or cyber bullies. It just ends up with name calling.
answer the ****ing question you cockwombleQuote:
Originally Posted by Splott David
Go and F*** yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
refusing to answer a simple question, tacit admission imhoQuote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
There is no question to answer, the thread title and links speak for themselves. You could do the research into it yourself, instead of acting the fool on here. It's a message board, not the Spanish Inquisition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
If you have a countervailing view then post it.
How many experts in military logistics did you know at 16????Quote:
Originally Posted by Splott David
Surely he was "researching" it by asking you a questions. After all you were the author of the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splott David
You kept refusing to answer him so what outcome was he meant to come too.
The thread and the link to it were self explanatory. People can research it for themselves, after all they don't want or need me supplying yet more links which show the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruBlue
:hehe:
Israel must have planned the 1967 war cos they wanted that most valuable of resource, the desolate golan heights.
If you knew the history you would not have to ask that question.Quote:
Originally Posted by شهرستان کاردیف
Of course it was planned.
You really want to stop making a plonker of yourself with these posts on the subject.
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/11/wo...pagewanted=all
Your knowledge of history is a figure of your imagination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splott David
As is absolutely everything in the past.
So your little brain does not deal with certainties I am afraid, Splod.
However much you claim comments from a handful of people somehow means your opinions is correct.
It is very funny. The fact you think the occasional opinion solidifies your statements as fact. When you probably went out of your way to find ways to turn 1967 against israel. You searched for it, didn't you? :-)
No sunshine. I read and studied the history over a forty year period. Now please stop making a plonker of yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by شهرستان کاردیف
Have a day off from being so patronising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splott David
It is boring.
Why don't you go into writing, or enter lectures on youtube if your words are so wondrous and valuable to the world. Dr Dai Splott.
Strange every single thread leads to this point. You saying you are more intelligent than all others due to first hand experience. Why even bother commenting if you don't think our comments are worth debating?.
For balance the non-Jewish persecution of Jeremy Corbyn can be discussed as well if you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruBlue
Either way he's having a tough time from unwarranted attacks.
https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/...E#.V-UsTpgrLIU
You posted some drivel partly made up of Israeli propaganda, with the rest being a little rant all of your own. That's fine but when you make or assert specific claims as if they were true, then you need to supply supporting links for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by شهرستان کاردیف
You didn't, because none exist.
What are the specific claims I made on this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splott David
And as always you live off creating strawmen.
I made no "assertions" so stop acting like I did.
On the other thread I claimed israel is not as bad as you make out. No "assertions" about concrete facts, an opinion.
The problem is, when you only read the side of the story you like, you get a distorted view of things. You are proof of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splott David
Another one making unsubstantiated claims. The problem only exists in your own mind TruBlue, no where else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruBlue
There are no sides, there is the irrefutable historical timeline of what took place, who was involved and why things happened.
None of which have you ever even tried to refute. So now you make up nonsense posts about 'distorted view of things' on subjects that you steer well clear of. Are you some sort of non-playing vice captain on this board these days?
Plenty have refuted your claims but you just answer with that there opinion is incorrect and then send ANOTHER link to a totally one sided website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splott David
Former NEC member and one of the backroom conspirators against Jeremy Corbyn, now claims that Owen Smith was just a sacrificial lamb to prepare the Labour party for the future post-Corbyn era. That is to say the day when the Blairites regain control of Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
https://twitter.com/evolvepolitics/s...53033483866112
This is Luke, with MP Ruth Smeeth, when he's not trying to f*** up the Labour party from within supporting Israel.
https://twitter.com/Smeggypants/stat...28038190739456
Here is his main interest.
http://www.webelieveinisrael.org.uk/...luke-akehurst/
Then a few years back he was positively having an orgasm over Smeeth becoming an MP.
http://lukeakehurstsblog.blogspot.co...ected.html?m=1
More recently (he was on BBC the other night) he claims that all of the Labour members who in his opinion, are not representative of the electorate, should be barred from Labour.
What you mean is that you cannot refute the information contained within that website/article/blog/news report.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruBlue
This is not the school playground TruBlue, if you want to refute points that are being made then you have to provide some countervailing information which supports your point. The ones doing the attempts at refuting seem to want to skip over that minor detail. It's getting harder and harder for people to take a position which effectively condones state atrocities, apartheid, racism and extra-judicial killing on top of having 7,000 Palestinians imprisoned without any form of trial for years on end. Not shown on BBC or Sky News Thursday, was the fact that Israeli Occupation Forces kidnapped 64 Palestinians from their homes in the middle of the night over a 48 hour period.
I make no bones about my support for (PSC) Palestinian Solidarity Campaign and would encourage others to get involved at every opportunity.
I could send millions of links (as you do) without ever taking on board the other persons opinion (as you do). What would be the point though. You give other peoples opinion zero regard as you've read a link somewhere on a biased website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splott David
Last week when you rubbish a key witness in the 9/11 event as an "anecdote" because it doesn't fit in with your opinion. What's the point in debating anything with school playground attitudes like that. ;-)
What key witness? Bring forward any evidence which places 19 hijackers on the four planes, not only on the planes, but piloting them and it's case closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruBlue
The thread title is correct because it refers to a form of self-identification. In this case the body of evidence shows that the common denominator is a) support for Israel and b) a loathing of Jeremy Corbyn. Here's yet another example of another Jewish online organisation that has as its sole reason for existing the never ending exposure of 'anti-semitism'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
https://antisemitism.uk/caa-submits-...byn-to-labour/
What we see quite clearly is how this malicious and nowadays meaningless smear is still being used by people who are politically motivated to support Israel, whether it is right or wrong and are also connected in their opposition to Jeremy Corbyn.
It is Corbyn's long history of support for the Palestinians which has brought about a laser like focus on him from a variety of individual and organisations which have shared interests at stake and thus reason enough to maintain the attacks on him.
CAA 'volunteers' have to keep uncovering incidents of 'anti-semitism' as without them this one-issue 'charity' has no reason to be in existence. CAA is even heavily criticised by other more established Jewish organisations which have accused it of presenting information in a 'sensationalist manner.'
"Jonathan Boyd, executive director of the Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR), dismissed CAA's own survey of British Jewish opinion as having 'little, if any, methodological credibility'. He also characterised the CAA's presentation of the YouGov poll as 'deeply flawed'. In a detailed critique, the JPR found the CAA's survey to be 'littered with flaws' and 'irresponsible'. Due to 'quite basic methodological flaws and weaknesses', its poll of British Jews had 'very limited capacity' to assess the representativeness of its sample. The survey of British attitudes towards Jews conducted by YouGov was methodologically 'much better', but its findings had been presented by the CAA in a 'sensationalist' manner. Whereas the CAA claimed that nearly half of Britons harbour antisemitic views,"
Members of CAA seem to be on a mission to conflate any form of criticism of Israel with that criticism being deemed by them as being 'anti-semitic'. It is this which we see is the real purpose of this 'charities' existence, that of being a gatekeeper for Israel. This month, CAA's spokesman, Jonathan Sacredoti interviewed Alan Dershowitz in London who made the claim that the British Methodist Church is 'anti-semitic', and so it goes on. The Methodist church is guilty of organising an exhibition showing people what it is like to have to go through an Israeli checkpoint on a daily basis. That, in the eyes of the Israel right or wrong lobby was sufficient for the usual smear to be brought out against it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2aJ_uFvSoY
If you really want to see how emboldened and vicious the attacks have become on those who offer support for the Palestinians in Britain, you just have to watch this video about the founder of the Sussex Friends of Israel, Simon Cobbs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_irmCd_nI9A