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I used to pay a lot of attention to those stats but if you were to check our friends down west, they have higher possession stats than the opposition in virtually every game and they are bottom of the league.:sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie
Apart from the Trollopesque performance last Saturday, which was truly dire, I do think that he will get us out of the bottom three - particularly as he will be able to wheel and deal in the transfer/loan market next month.
It's not how long you hang on to the ball but what you do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie
You are more likely to do something with it the longer you hang on to it. It's not rocket science:facepalm:
Is that a quote from a sex manual.:xmashehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tandy
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Originally Posted by jeepster
I got that quote from the book of inane dribblings, written by GRINGO the king of the village idiots.
Can you enlighten us as to why you believe this is important? Slade's teams often veered towards 30% possession yet I can't remember you moaning then, you duplicitous bellend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tandy
Last season's Premier League champions had overall possession stats of 44.8%. Only Sunderland and West Brom had less of the ball. Obviously not keeping possession was a huge problem for the champions. In fact, none of the worst 5 teams in terms of possession were relegated. Leicester also had the 2nd worst pass success rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tandy
This season, Crystal Palace are 9th in the possession stats.
In the Championship, currently only 3 of the top 6 are in the top 3 in terms of possession stats - Birmingham are ranked 22nd. Wigan, 23rd in the table, are 7th in the possession stakes yet are the lowest scorers in the division.
You might want to keep masturbating furiously about possession stats to try and suit your agenda, but the reality is that they mean bugger all in the overall scheme of things. It's a pity you haven't the sense to notice this; actually, maybe not a pity in the sense that virtually everyone else is openly mocking your stupidity.
The top 6 teams in the premiership have the best possession percentages.
Anyone who thinks possession is not a relevant factor is as thick as shit.
We all know Eric is not the sharpest tool he's made a right tit of himself on this one.:xmashehe:
No they don't. Check them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tandy
While you're at it, can you explain Leicester's success without possession, or Wigan's utter failure with lots of it, or are you going to ignore this because it doesn't suit your agenda?
Yes they do. Check them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Anyone with an ounce of sense will realise Leicester winning the league with that possession percentage was a one off. Have a look at the last ten winners of the Prem and their percentages then come back you clown. Or are you going to ignore that because it don't suit YOUR agenda?
To get back to the main thread i doubt warnock will take us much further than safety if he too has to perticipate in the pantomime that is ccfc transfer committee!!!!
After all it has been an embarrassing disaster
Burnley won The Championship last season with equal 17th highest possession stats.
Best performance under Slade was Wolves awayQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Because possession stats really are only a small part of the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
Look at the away game at Forest. We had far far more decent chances yet only 30%. of possession.
Stats often used by people to back up spurious claims and this is a clear case of that
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Originally Posted by Lawnmower
* this - being Tandys sudden obsession with possession stats
I feel a lot more confident going forward, in an attacking sense, with NW than with Slade or PT.
Simple as that.
Absolutely right! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
Stop being an arse. Not one person in this thread thinks you are talking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tandy
I'll ask again. Last season Cardiff City's possession stats under Slade were ranked 14th. We finished 8th. Above Cardiff in the possession table were Brentford, Wolves, Fulham, MK Dons, Leeds, Reading and Huddersfield. 7 teams that had more possession than us but finished below us in the table. Should they have finished above us?
What is maybe interesting is that Fulham, Reading and Huddersfield had far better possession stats last season than their league position warranted (according to your reckoning). This season they are now top half teams instead of being close to relegation.
On the opposite side, Ipswich, Cardiff, QPR, Birmingham and Preston all had better league finishes than their possession stats warranted (according to your reckoning). This season, all of those, bar Birmingham, are now bottom half teams that are struggling.
If possession is such an important thing, then those teams that had good possession stats last season have reaped the benefit, while those with poor possession stats have had the opposite and seen their sides plummet.
Given all the above, the importance of possession etc, then the rot with Cardiff City was undoubtedly set last season. I wonder who was manager then?
Style of play is subjective of course, but in my opinion we have more purpose going forward and are more of a goal threat nowadays and that, in my opinion is an improved style of playQuote:
Originally Posted by Tandy
Yes he has, the acquisitions of Bamba and Hoilett have improved the squad massively
Yes, under Trollope we scored 0.72 goals per game, under Warnock we've scored 1.25 goals per game
He's been here 7 weeks so I don't think we judge whether or not he's improved the youth setup, although the interest he is taking in it is positive and a step in the right direction
Yes. Average attendance under Trollope was 15,132, under Warnock it is 17,346
Yes, under Trollope I was quite concerned about the prospect of relegation, now less so
He's only trying to look clever, but he just makes more of an arse of himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
Be careful what you say - his wife may be watching!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...nted-feet.html
I disagree, Wolves only managed seven home wins all last season and had only won four out of fourteen when we played up there - we played well, but benefited greatly from two of the sort of shoots from Craig Noone that have been flying into the stands for the last three seasons actually finding the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
By contrast, Brighton were only beaten twice on their travels during the regular season last year and ended up well beaten by a City team which played with a fluency barely ever seen under Slade - the Brighton Argus headline for that game of “Sorry Albion blown away by stylish Cardiff” sticks in my mind because that adjective has been applied to a City performance only rarely in my more than half a century of supporting them and it was surely a one off under Slade's management.
No- he has an obsession with anything negative about CCFC as does chepstow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
That's rich coming from you Mr negativity, I remember when you and countless others slagged Slade off every week.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN
You might think Colin is doing a good job but I don't think he's doing any better than Trolls or Slade.
That's my opinion if you don't like it TOUGH.
I try to avoid the negative stuff now. I got so fed up of reading all last season from planks like you. I stick to facts now. Like we are third from the bottom of the champ when we finished 8th last season. Like we bought in at least 5 players in the last transfer window which 4 months later we dont want anymore even though we let better players go (Fabio, Turner, Marshall) to accomodate them. We have a transfer committee who presided over the club two first teams goakeepers being sold in 7 days?Quote:
Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN
They are negatives...... they are facts!!
We are a basket club and will be on our third manager this season before the seasons out.... not a fact an "opinion"
Slade you can probably argue with, I'd disagree with you but at least you can back it up, but Trollope? Come on man, stop talking out of your arse. Trollope had 12 games, we won 2, drew 2 and lost 8. Warnock has won 3, drawn 2 and lost 3. Points per game, Trollope has 0.5, Warnock has 1.375, and we've played much better opposition than under PT. That's the stat that matters most of all as well. If Warnock's form was replicated throughout a full season, we'd have got 63 points, good enough to finish 10th last season, 5 points behind us last year. If Trollope's record continued, we'd have 23 points, 7 points behind Bolton in 24th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tandy
Give me a link -usual bluster without foundation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tandy
Planks lol-pot,kettle,black!!!Comparing where we finished last season with where we are now is hardly a good analogy-unless you have an agenda of course.Good thing us 'planks' can see right through it.Come back in May when you will have a realistic comparison to give us all.Quote:
Originally Posted by chepstow
There's a really interesting thread on **** which asks very similar questions:
http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/vi...p?f=2&t=180021
grange_end1927 has done some fine analysis there. Well done to him!
I can understand copying a thread as it is a good discussion point, but how come they never credit where the original post came from?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
A lot of fans read both message boards (even if they don't post) so most would know anyway.
WOW ...This Norbiton geezer has copied him almost word for word..Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
But without the stats grids to back the argument up...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
A bit trickier to copy and paste.