Nice to see the BBC reporting on marches again

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It's really amazing. You've both bean moaning about the lack of coverage for other marches yet you are both unable to provide an example to back up your claim. One of you tells me to "do my own research innit", and the other tells me yet more examples of marches that *have* been covered.

MRS Steve R, maybe you are one of the older fashioned ladies. Nothing wrong with that, but calling yourself Mrs Husband's Name is something that would have some feminists up in arms. Nothing wrong with that either, but the fact you are calling yourself Mrs Husband's name may mean that you are not tuned into the argument of the women who were marching.

In answer to your question, you won't lose ANY rights due to Trump being elected. As far as I can make out, he has been made President of the USA, and doesn't have any ability to change laws in the UK.

What do the women who were marching think they have lost? They have lost some equality. In the 70s and 80s it was more or less accepted that a boss smacking his female employee's arse, forcing her to wear certain clothing, paying her less than her male counterparts, giving her an unwanted shoulder massage etc etc.

Trump has, unwittingly, given the pervy boss a bit more "courage" to push the boundaries again. No, there won't be any changes in laws that take away American women's rights. The damage is more discreet than that.

Those women may think that Trump will set the women's movement back 20-30 years. They may be incorrect, but considering the battles that feminism has had to fight and win they have earned the right to defend themselves.

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My original post was not specifically about the Women's marches, I was really interested in finding out about these marches that the BBC had ignored because I assumed that they must have happened given the nudge, nudge, wink, wink conversation between Mrs Steve R and Wales Bales at the start of the thread. I had no agenda in asking for more info about these marches which the BBC, and the mainstream media I presume, had ignored, but it looks like it was just a case of the two of them assuming that they had happened - they may be right, but what they said loses a lot of it's impact when they don't seem to be able to back it up.

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My original post was not specifically about the Women's marches, I was really interested in finding out about these marches that the BBC had ignored because I assumed that they must have happened given the nudge, nudge, wink, wink conversation between Mrs Steve R and Wales Bales at the start of the thread. I had no agenda in asking for more info about these marches which the BBC, and the mainstream media I presume, had ignored, but it looks like it was just a case of the two of them assuming that they had happened - they may be right, but what they said loses a lot of it's impact when they don't seem to be able to back it up.

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As I'm now being badgered here's a quick one before I go to bed. :biggrin:

London Muslims March Against ISIS Goes Unreported By Mainstream Media
http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/0...nstream-media/

The Independent did a story about the fact that it had not been covered after his tweets went viral, given the current climate I'd say that was something that should of had plenty of media coverage wouldn't you?

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As I'm now being badgered here's a quick one before I go to bed. :biggrin:

London Muslims March Against ISIS Goes Unreported By Mainstream Media
http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/0...nstream-media/

The Independent did a story about the fact that it had not been covered after his tweets went viral, given the current climate I'd say that was something that should of had plenty of media coverage wouldn't you?

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Thanks, here's the Independent story you refer to

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6765976.html

This, an earlier story by the Mirror and fair play to what I would have thought would have been one of the biggest culprits in ignoring something like that, something in the Mail were the only instances of mainstream media reporting that I could find when I Googled "London Muslims March Against ISIS". I then searched the BBC website for "Muslims March Against ISIS" and it didn't return anything. Looking at the pictures of the event in the Independent and the Mail, you would have thought that the size of the march and the sentiment being expressed would have attracted more attention than it did, so I agree with you both that, in this case, the coverage by the mainstream media (in particular the BBC) left a lot to be desired.

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As I'm now being badgered here's a quick one before I go to bed. :biggrin:

London Muslims March Against ISIS Goes Unreported By Mainstream Media
http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/0...nstream-media/

The Independent did a story about the fact that it had not been covered after his tweets went viral, given the current climate I'd say that was something that should of had plenty of media coverage wouldn't you?

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The article says there were thousands protesting about terrorism but the bloke it quoted says hundreds?

Cripes, whenever 'feminists' get together, some of them don't do themselves many favours do they :hehe:

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The article says there were thousands protesting about terrorism but the bloke it quoted says hundreds?

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Trump would say it was a million and a half.

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As I'm now being badgered here's a quick one before I go to bed. :biggrin:

London Muslims March Against ISIS Goes Unreported By Mainstream Media
http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/0...nstream-media/

The Independent did a story about the fact that it had not been covered after his tweets went viral, given the current climate I'd say that was something that should of had plenty of media coverage wouldn't you?

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I hadn't heard of this march. Without doubt, it was newsworthy.

When you think how many people say 'why doesn't the muslim community ever speak out', it's something to bear in mind.

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People laugh when I say I'm not a big fan of feminism, they often think I'm joking, I'm not, this vid will explain why, there are no words to describe the level of insanity you're about to see... :hehe:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNXMOxBbt6g

“I AM NASTY LIKE MY BLOODSTAINS ON MY BED SHEETS WE DON’T ACTUALLY CHOOSE IF AND WHEN WE HAVE OUR PERIODS”

“WE DON’T LIKE THROWING AWAY OUR FAVORITE PAIRS OF UNDERPANTS.”

Why? JUST WHY? :shrug:

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Probably her time of the month.

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Probably her time of the month.

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Thanks, here's the Independent story you refer to

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6765976.html

This, an earlier story by the Mirror and fair play to what I would have thought would have been one of the biggest culprits in ignoring something like that, something in the Mail were the only instances of mainstream media reporting that I could find when I Googled "London Muslims March Against ISIS". I then searched the BBC website for "Muslims March Against ISIS" and it didn't return anything. Looking at the pictures of the event in the Independent and the Mail, you would have thought that the size of the march and the sentiment being expressed would have attracted more attention than it did, so I agree with you both that, in this case, the coverage by the mainstream media (in particular the BBC) left a lot to be desired.

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The article says there were thousands protesting about terrorism but the bloke it quoted says hundreds?

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I can only apologise. :biggrin:

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Cripes, whenever 'feminists' get together, some of them don't do themselves many favours do they :hehe:

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It's embarrassing isn't it? you should see some of the stuff in their groups. :hehe:

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Probably her time of the month.

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People laugh when I say I'm not a big fan of feminism, they often think I'm joking, I'm not, this vid will explain why, there are no words to describe the level of insanity you're about to see... :hehe:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNXMOxBbt6g

“I AM NASTY LIKE MY BLOODSTAINS ON MY BED SHEETS WE DON’T ACTUALLY CHOOSE IF AND WHEN WE HAVE OUR PERIODS”

“WE DON’T LIKE THROWING AWAY OUR FAVORITE PAIRS OF UNDERPANTS.”

Why? JUST WHY? :shrug:

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I've always loved reading scifi books; collections of short stories, novellas and novels. In fact, I have a collection of such books numbering around 400. I love Aldiss, Vance, Ballard, Wyndham, Van Vogt, Heinlein and Dick, and many others too. Post apocalyptic and dystopian themes have always been my favourite.

When I was a boy, many decades ago, i read a short story in which men and women had fought a war against each other. The women, who'd had the help of sympathetic men, had won the war and were committed to exterminating any men who opposed female primacy.

I cannot find this story in my collection or by searching online but it has haunted me ever since. And for quite a while I've believed that this is where we are headed as a species. Transhumanism and cloning fit in somewhere too. The Y-chromosome, the faulty chromosome, will be permanently exterminated. Ashley Judd has increased my suspicion that this is the globalists' ultimate aim.

World war 3 may be fought by nations but world war 4 could be men against women.

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I've always loved reading scifi books; collections of short stories, novellas and novels. In fact, I have a collection of such books numbering around 400. I love Aldiss, Vance, Ballard, Wyndham, Van Vogt, Heinlein and Dick, and many others too. Post apocalyptic and dystopian themes have always been my favourite.

When I was a boy, many decades ago, i read a short story in which men and women had fought a war against each other. The women, who'd had the help of sympathetic men, had won the war and were committed to exterminating any men who opposed female primacy.

I cannot find this story in my collection or by searching online but it has haunted me ever since. And for quite a while I've believed that this is where we are headed as a species. Transhumanism and cloning fit in somewhere too. The Y-chromosome, the faulty chromosome, will be permanently exterminated. Ashley Judd has increased my suspicion that this is the globalists' ultimate aim.

World war 3 may be fought by nations but world war 4 could be men against women.

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I read a book once that there was a magical snowy land in a wardrobe, but as far as I'm aware that hasn't come true either.

Well done though, your globalists secretly want to eradicate men theory is a cracker.

[QUOTE=Mrs Steve R;4712974]As I'm now being badgered here's a quick one before I go to bed. :biggrin:

London Muslims March Against ISIS Goes Unreported By Mainstream Media
http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/0...nstream-media/

The Independent did a story about the fact that it had not been covered after his tweets went viral, given the current climate I'd say that was something that should of had plenty of media coverage wouldn't you?[/QUOTE

Dp

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As I'm now being badgered here's a quick one before I go to bed. :biggrin:

London Muslims March Against ISIS Goes Unreported By Mainstream Media
http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/0...nstream-media/

The Independent did a story about the fact that it had not been covered after his tweets went viral, given the current climate I'd say that was something that should of had plenty of media coverage wouldn't you?

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And it wasn't an anti isis march.

so who exactly was cooking the tea when all this was going on?

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I didn't think it was a bad question, especially as nobody here has lost any rights because of Trump have they?


If I had started the thread I might have gone to the effort of preparing a couple of examples but knowing it would not make the slightest bit of difference to what any of you think why should I bother wasting my time?

Calling myself my husbands name on a forum will have the feminists up in arms? GOOD :hehe: I corrected you on my name because Steve R is a different poster. (he's not my husband either)
No I'm not really tuned in with the argument of the women who were marching tbh, what was the point? like you said nobody has lost any rights, it was more about outrage, if I'm honest I've read things on here about women that are worse than what Trump said or did, should I walk the streets dressed as a massive vagina every time that happens? :hehe:

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I've always loved reading scifi books; collections of short stories, novellas and novels. In fact, I have a collection of such books numbering around 400. I love Aldiss, Vance, Ballard, Wyndham, Van Vogt, Heinlein and Dick, and many others too. Post apocalyptic and dystopian themes have always been my favourite.

When I was a boy, many decades ago, i read a short story in which men and women had fought a war against each other. The women, who'd had the help of sympathetic men, had won the war and were committed to exterminating any men who opposed female primacy.

I cannot find this story in my collection or by searching online but it has haunted me ever since. And for quite a while I've believed that this is where we are headed as a species. Transhumanism and cloning fit in somewhere too. The Y-chromosome, the faulty chromosome, will be permanently exterminated. Ashley Judd has increased my suspicion that this is the globalists' ultimate aim.

World war 3 may be fought by nations but world war 4 could be men against women.

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That sounds like something I've read too :hehe: I don't think you have to look too far in to the future tbh, some of them would probably be up for doing that now, feminist and journalist Julie Bindel has openly called for putting all men in concentration camps and eradicating heterosexuality.

How do we dismantle gender?

"We have to get rid of it. There is no point looking at reforming it. It would be like saying we could reform the Tory party. We just need to abolish and obliterate it."

"We need to stop talking about it like it’s a thing. We need to start laughing at those that pretend that it has somehow replaced biological sex, and stop being afraid of pointing out that the two are completely different and that one actually doesn’t exist outside of male dominance and women’s subordination. Because all gender is, is an imposition of subordination on women, and the opposite of that of course is the dominance of men, who get privilege by being born male, and we get the opposite. So I think we have to just start laughing at it, and not by wearing a tutu and workmen’s boots. But by actually by saying, this thing is actually not real."

Will heterosexuality survive women’s liberation?

"It won’t, not unless men get their act together, have their power taken from them and behave themselves. I mean, I would actually put them all in some kind of camp where they can all drive around in quad bikes, or bicycles, or white vans. I would give them a choice of vehicles to drive around with, give them no porn, they wouldn’t be able to fight – we would have wardens, of course! Women who want to see their sons or male loved ones would be able to go and visit, or take them out like a library book, and then bring them back."

"I hope heterosexuality doesn’t survive, actually. I would like to see a truce on heterosexuality. I would like an amnesty on heterosexuality until we have sorted ourselves out. Because under patriarchy it’s shit."

"And I am sick of hearing from individual women that their men are all right. Those men have been shored up by the advantages of patriarchy and they are complacent, they are not stopping other men from being shit."

"I would love to see a women’s liberation that results in women turning away from men and saying: “when you come back as human beings, then we might look again.”

Here is her full interview if you can stomach it..
http://www.radfemcollective.org/news...Julie%20Bindel

She writes for the Telegraph, Independent and Guardian newspapers by the way. I wonder what her reaction would be if Trump said all women should be put in some sort of camp? :hehe:

This is also the kind of lunacy we are dealing with..

http://i.imgur.com/mTrAnAlm.jpg

Errm, yes you do, LOVE.

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I read a book once that there was a magical snowy land in a wardrobe, but as far as I'm aware that hasn't come true either.

Well done though, your globalists secretly want to eradicate men theory is a cracker.

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Better hide in that wardrobe when Julie comes for you. :hehe:

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so who exactly was cooking the tea when all this was going on?

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No surprise to see George Soros name everywhere.

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I didn't think it was a bad question, especially as nobody here has lost any rights because of Trump have they?

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Which question? I lazily quoted the whole passage but was only really concentrating on those two statements.

I watched the Michigan State event, Julie Bindel vs Milo Yiannopoulos, a few months back. She actually comes over quite well and is disparaging about the misandry prevalent in third-wave feminism.

https://youtu.be/0aEkYbQ4Vv4

Given that Ms Bindel is the friendlier face of the female side of the gender war, it should come as no surprise that some feminists are echoing the S.C.U.M. manifesto and advocating killing all men, boys and male babies

https://youtu.be/CsFjcIchyKw

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Which question? I lazily quoted the whole passage but was only really concentrating on those two statements.

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I forget, something about why these people were not marching for people who had actually lost rights or had never had them.

Who do you guys reckon will win WW5?

See, I reckon it's the cats coz they can bring in leopards and pumas and stuff but the dogs have only got wolves and dingos.

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I watched the Michigan State event, Julie Bindel vs Milo Yiannopoulos, a few months back. She actually comes over quite well and is disparaging about the misandry prevalent in third-wave feminism.

https://youtu.be/0aEkYbQ4Vv4

Given that Ms Bindel is the friendlier face of the female side of the gender war, it should come as no surprise that some feminists are echoing the S.C.U.M. manifesto and advocating killing all men, boys and male babies

https://youtu.be/CsFjcIchyKw

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I'm not sure I could watch her, it would wind me up too much if she says anything like in that interview, for some reason this line is really grating on me.. "I would love to see a women’s liberation that results in women turning away from men and saying: “when you come back as human beings, then we might look again.” who the **** hell does she think she is? I really hate that attitude, no wonder men think women are bitches. :hehe:

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I'm not sure I could watch her, it would wind me up too much if she says anything like in that interview, for some reason this line is really grating on me.. "I would love to see a women’s liberation that results in women turning away from men and saying: “when you come back as human beings, then we might look again.” who the **** hell does she think she is? I really hate that attitude, no wonder men think women are bitches. :hehe:

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Snakes with tits.

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I guess I'm included in that then, cheers :hehe:

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I'm not sure I could watch her, it would wind me up too much if she says anything like in that interview, for some reason this line is really grating on me.. "I would love to see a women’s liberation that results in women turning away from men and saying: “when you come back as human beings, then we might look again.” who the **** hell does she think she is? I really hate that attitude, no wonder men think women are bitches. :hehe:

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Seems a bit disingenuous to just pick out the fanatics on the side of feminism. I think those marches yesterday were a great, especially when you look at the changes already with regards to abortion by trump.

The fact is women aren't treated as equal still in almost every industry and walk of life and until these opinions change these type of protests are needed. Especially with people like trump et al trying to drag the world back to the dark ages.

Of course it would be nice to see the same level of protest towards the treatment of women in the Middle East and North Korea but why is it surprising that something that's closer to home generates more interest.

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Seems a bit disingenuous to just pick out the fanatics on the side of feminism. I think those marches yesterday were a great, especially when you look at the changes already with regards to abortion by trump.

The fact is women aren't treated as equal still in almost every industry and walk of life and until these opinions change these type of protests are needed. Especially with people like trump et al trying to drag the world back to the dark ages.

Of course it would be nice to see the same level of protest towards the treatment of women in the Middle East and North Korea but why is it surprising that something that's closer to home generates more interest.

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I'm not just picking out the fanatics, that's just the tip of the iceberg of what I think tbh but I'm always afraid to say because you men are so oppressive. :hehe:

Seriously though, I'm not against women wanting to be treated equally, far from it, if you look at the positives of course it's a good thing but you must also look at the negatives, it's meant to be about rights for women not hating men, if you look at some of the feminist and anti feminist groups you might start to see what I mean, I really dread to think of the distorted view some young girls must have of men, it's drummed in to them that men are sexual predators and pretty much to blame for everything, even their periods are somehow the fault of men, it's getting out of hand, I don't want to see signs saying 'Eradicate men', I like men, I have a lot of respect for my father and the other men in my life, including the ones on here and some of the things I've seen and read as a result of those marches has really bugged me if I'm honest.
Stories with the title 'It's ok to hate men because of Trump' do not sit right with me, that's not what it's meant to be about, respect has to be both ways.

I also learnt this week from some of the feminist groups that as I don't feel oppressed I'm not supportive of other women and I should feel guilty, I'm not equal and never will be and I need to accept that, the oppression that I don't feel has been a trick of my mind and I am indeed deeply oppressed and just don't want to admit to myself what a massive victim I actually am, I'm Wrapped up in my delusion of equality, I want to feel empowered, I don’t want to believe I'm oppressed, Because that would mean I am indeed a “second-class citizen.”
I am a victim!!
As you can imagine that all came as a bit of a shock to me as I actually considered myself pretty lucky, now I'm going to have to accept that I can never be happy while there are still men out there debating my uterus.

What kind of message is that for girls? I'm sure you get my drift, I'm obviously not against helping women but if a woman feels oppressed because a man is involved in making a decision about her tampons surely something is going wrong?

Women’s health is also under threat because medical scientists are terrified of being labeled sexist, some feminists refusal to accept that brains of men and women are different is hampering the development of drugs, persisting with this 'Gender is a social construct' nonsense is damaging because it's simply not true, should science bend it's results to be politically correct? I can't see how that's going to help anyone, do they even care about other women? when you see them telling young girls who disagree with them that they 'Hope they get raped' it really makes you wonder.

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Bleedin Nora :hehe:

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Bleedin Nora :hehe:

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Probably her time of the month.

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Probably her time of the month.

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I think that was the idea :hehe:

Forgot to say, I've learned a new word this week 'mansplaining' :hehe:

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Well he says he is in favour of Women's rights but when some of them choose to exercise their right to protest, he makes a mockery of it simply because he doesn't like them speaking out against something he likes.

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What's wrong with mocking the likes of the ridiculous Ashley Judd's rant on the tampon tax that had been in place for years during Obama's presidency, yet a few days in to Trump being President turns into a mad woman, same can be said of Madonna, same as can said of the many who applauded.

Just because we respect the rights of Freedom of Speech, doesn't mean that we are obliged to agree or accept everything that everyone says. Does it ?

If someone, irrespective of their gender says something ridiculous then they are open to mockery.

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What's wrong with mocking the likes of the ridiculous Ashley Judd's rant on the tampon tax that had been in place for years during Obama's presidency, yet a few days in to Trump being President turns into a mad woman, same can be said of Madonna, same as can said of the many who applauded.

Just because we respect the rights of Freedom of Speech, doesn't mean that we are obliged to agree or accept everything that everyone says. Does it ?

If someone, irrespective of their gender says something ridiculous then they are open to mockery.

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So do you agree that every person present at every march held across the world was a 'spotty faced, filthy, vegan virgin'? I ask because that comment is what you are arguing with me about.

Many different reasons to be there. The irony of closet trumpets is they drone on about 'the will of the people' but they appear to absolutely hate the thought of millions of people having their say.

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So do you agree that every person present at every march held across the world was a 'spotty faced, filthy, vegan virgin'? I ask because that comment is what you are arguing with me about.

Many different reasons to be there. The irony of closet trumpets is they drone on about 'the will of the people' but they appear to absolutely hate the thought of millions of people having their say.

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I don't recall seeing that said in this thread, was it removed?

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So do you agree that every person present at every march held across the world was a 'spotty faced, filthy, vegan virgin'? I ask because that comment is what you are arguing with me about.

Many different reasons to be there. The irony of closet trumpets is they drone on about 'the will of the people' but they appear to absolutely hate the thought of millions of people having their say.

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I don't recall reading anything about that demography. Please indicate where I missed that.

Secondly, what if some of them are spotty faced, filthy, vegan virgins. They have a right to be wrong as well as right. I'm a vegetarian and have been for over 30 years, I used to have acne as a teenager and I used to be a virgin. Never been one for being filthy though.

Maybe that's why my opinion may count less than yours !!

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I can't remember there being any marches against the way the Islamic world and parts of christian Africa treat treat their women? Not to the same extent we have seen over the past few days where a bunch of spotty faced, filthy, vegan virgins have infested worldwide cities in protest against a president that in all cases outside of America will have no control over them. Where was this lefty rage against Obama who dropped three bombs an hour on the middle east just last year?

If forced marriages, sex slavery, FGM, womens view not counting the same as mens, gender segregation, women not being allowed to drive or vote is worse than a man who said he grabbed women by the pussy in a juvenile private chat then the world isn't right anymore

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I don't recall reading anything about that demography. Please indicate where I missed that.

Secondly, what if some of them are spotty faced, filthy, vegan virgins. They have a right to be wrong as well as right. I'm a vegetarian and have been for over 30 years, I used to have acne as a teenager and I used to be a virgin. Never been one for being filthy though.

Maybe that's why my opinion may count less than yours !!

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It is irrelevant whether they are right or wrong (whatever that means in this case). His intention was clearly to belittle anyone marching, their opinion matters as does yours and Mrs R's but only if you start to bloody pay attention.

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Women can do what they like, protest against what they like but it's my right to pull them up on their double standards. It's always intrigued me, the unholy alliance between feminists and the Islam loving left.

The latest protests are about Trumps "muslim ban" which doesn't even exists, there is no Muslim ban yet hoards of the great unwashed filtered the streets of the UK this evening in protest. Truly comical when the likes of Saudi Arabia and Qatar have refused to take in refugees for years. Why do people give a shit now? Because it's "cool" and trendy to be seen at a Trump out march holding a home made placard with "love not hate" scrawled on it, it looks great on the luvvies instagram pages to be seen at such event.

Obama was responsible for the deaths of hundreds and thousands of Muslim people with his drone strikes and the world turned a blind eye, the world didn't care, the world let him do it because he had a cheesy smile and his wife sang badly in a car with a gobby fat bloke from Essex.