Global Warming

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Originally Posted by lardy

Vaccines are bloody brilliant. Should be compulsory for kids in my view.

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Things have changed since we were kids, they get about 200 of them now :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by lardy

Vaccines are bloody brilliant. Should be compulsory for kids in my view.

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There was me thinking there was hope for you Lardy. :biggrin:

Red sky at night - shepherds delight.

Red sky in the morning - global warming.


I thought we had to call it climate change nowadays, on account of things not actually getting warmer?

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

I'm misguided? :hehe: I take it you have looked in to rh-negative blood groups, autoimmune conditions, allergies ect? I assume you know your secretor/non-secretor status too? as I recall the last time we spoke about this you were telling me I was wrong then and you were going to check with your "friends in the medical industry" but you never got back to me.

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I don't recall that particular exchange, but I'll take your word for it.

I have done some research into some of the claims about different blood types and vaccines and there is a lot of nonsense out there, none of it I've seen actually stands up

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I don't recall that particular exchange, but I'll take your word for it.

I have done some research into some of the claims about different blood types and vaccines and there is a lot of nonsense out there, none of it I've seen actually stands up

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Well I appreciate your concern but I know my own body, I can't even wear a bra with a metal loop in it without getting a reaction or eat certain fruits without my mouth getting itchy, not sure why I would want to pump my body full of crap that I have no way of removing once it's in there, or a microchip if we are going to move on to them too.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Where did I say "yeah see"? and where did I give my opinion on global warming?

I've gone over my thoughts on vaccines many times, personally I would never have a vaccine again.

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Ah, my apologies. You see, when you commented in the second post of this thread, I assumed you had something cryptic to say on the subject. Now, I can appreciate you were just being vague.

Why wouldn't you have a vaccine again?

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Originally Posted by lardy

Vaccines are bloody brilliant. Should be compulsory for kids in my view.

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I agree. If parents are too pig ignorant to vaccinate their kids against, say, Meningitis off the back of some flimsy scientific research then the Government should take the kids temporarily into care to prevent those kids from dying of something that scientific research says is very deadly.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Well I appreciate your concern but I know my own body, I can't even wear a bra with a metal loop in it without getting a reaction or eat certain fruits without my mouth getting itchy, not sure why I would want to pump my body full of crap that I have no way of removing once it's in there, or a microchip if we are going to move on to them too.

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What ingredient of the vaccine concerns you?

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Originally Posted by Kris

Ah, my apologies. You see, when you commented in the second post of this thread, I assumed you had something cryptic to say on the subject. Now, I can appreciate you were just being vague.

Why wouldn't you have a vaccine again?

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"Well, I'm surprised by that" what is cryptic about that? I was surprised. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Kris

What ingredient of the vaccine concerns you?

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All of them, that ok with you?

Just having some toast, it's a bit burnt though, ring the police :wave:

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

It was literally the only article I could find referring to the mail story at short notice. Nowhere else is giving it the time of day. A few of the weather/climate forums I used to go on frequently when I was a little boy praying for snow days had people loling about it though.

For someone who says they like to use multiple sources to build their view, you seem to be defaulting to one very often these days.

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To be fair, I think it's virtually impossible for people to have a completely open mind on any subject because they are always drawn to anything which backs the viewpoint they instinctively edge towards. That said, Gluey's behaviour in this thread hardly seems like that of someone who is open to being persuaded after studying multiple sources on a subject. To dismiss the link you posted out of hand because it comes from a "global, multi-platform media and entertainment company" while placing so much faith in a story from something that is a global, multi-platform media and entertainment company with a clear political bias does strike me as a bit odd.

Instinctively, I believe in global warming, but have gone on to fact checking sites to try and get something that, hopefully, looks at the subject from a fairly neutral perspective - I'll make no comment on what is said in these links;-

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/11/the...limate-change/

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/til...limate-change/

http://www.politifact.com/subjects/climate-change/

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

To be fair, I think it's virtually impossible for people to have a completely open mind on any subject because they are always drawn to anything which backs the viewpoint they instinctively edge towards. That said, Gluey's behaviour in this thread hardly seems like that of someone who is open to being persuaded after studying multiple sources on a subject. To dismiss the link you posted out of hand because it comes from a "global, multi-platform media and entertainment company" while placing so much faith in a story from something that is a global, multi-platform media and entertainment company with a clear political bias does strike me as a bit odd.

Instinctively, I believe in global warming, but have gone on to fact checking sites to try and get something that, hopefully, looks at the subject from a fairly neutral perspective - I'll make no comment on what is said in these links;-

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/11/the...limate-change/

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/til...limate-change/

http://www.politifact.com/subjects/climate-change/

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I was just pointing out a current news item, or is that not allowed these days? Whistleblowers tend to have more to lose, so it's debatable whether somebody would end their professional career by making thing things up. I only mentioned the "entertainment company" bit as it's code for "we also promote propanda", while the DM fall under the authority of the Independent Press Standards Organisation.

What does the whistle blowers background look like?

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Originally Posted by lardy

What does the whistle blowers background look like?

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Dr John Bates is a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation according to the DM.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Dr John Bates is a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation according to the DM.

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So you are 100% sure there was no outside influence, deals or coercion involved?

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Originally Posted by lardy

So you are 100% sure there was no outside influence, deals or coercion involved?

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There could have been. If you suspect anything and you feel strongly about it, now would be a good time to bring it up with the Independent Press Standards Organisation. Unless of course, as usual you are just acting like a tit :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

There could have been. If you suspect anything and you feel strongly about it, now would be a good time to bring it up with the Independent Press Standards Organisation. Unless of course, as usual you are just acting like a tit :biggrin:

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Ad hominem attacks do you no favours.

It's a little strange though, Gluey, you must admit. When an experienced US judge made an order against Trump, and very clearly showed his working to anyone who wanted to look, you were falling over yourself to cast doubt against his integrity with subtle questions.

And yet when a man (who I'm very sure you had never heard of) says there's been a coverup but provides no evidence, you're happy to accept it without asking the same questions; presumably because you like what he says.

Why is he speaking before releasing his paper? Is it because he knows it will get ripped apart straightaway so he wants to get his publicity in first?


Finally, you're obviously proud enough of your IPSO comeback to use it twice, but all the Mail have done is print an interview with him so there would be nothing for them to investigage. I'm sure you know that though :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Rjk

How about you explain your understanding of the widely accepted science behind climate change? And why you think it is wrong.

In my experience most people who think it is all made up have little or no understanding of the actual case for it.

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Any chance of an answer to this?

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Originally Posted by lardy

Ad hominem attacks do you no favours.

It's a little strange though, Gluey, you must admit. When an experienced US judge made an order against Trump, and very clearly showed his working to anyone who wanted to look, you were falling over yourself to cast doubt against his integrity with subtle questions.

And yet when a man (who I'm very sure you had never heard of) says there's been a coverup but provides no evidence, you're happy to accept it without asking the same questions; presumably because you like what he says.

Why is he speaking before releasing his paper? Is it because he knows it will get ripped apart straightaway so he wants to get his publicity in first?


Finally, you're obviously proud enough of your IPSO comeback to use it twice, but all the Mail have done is print an interview with him so there would be nothing for them to investigage. I'm sure you know that though :thumbup:

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No need to look into the judge, others are already doing that. I have no doubt it was a political issue though, as is the climate change one above.

Here you go Inspector Lardy

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Dr+John+Bates

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Dr+John+Bates

Dig in :biggrin:

Gluey, the guy who claims he is an independent thinker who shuns the mainstream media investigates multiple sources from both sides before making his own decision and he's here wetting his pants over a Daily Mail article with no evidence and a single interviewee. :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

Couldn't make it up :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Rjk

You can easily prove that there is absolutely no link between MMR vaccine and autism in about 5 minutes

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Have you seen this? https://vimeo.com/153178203

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Have you seen this? https://vimeo.com/153178203

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Nope, and I'm not likely to have time to today either.
What is his case?

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Originally Posted by lardy

Gluey, the guy who claims he is an independent thinker who shuns the mainstream media investigates multiple sources from both sides before making his own decision and he's here wetting his pants over a Daily Mail article with no evidence and a single interviewee. :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

Couldn't make it up :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

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Let's see what happens, eh :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Let's see what happens, eh :biggrin:

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It's too late, we've already seen you spaffing over the Daily Mail :hehe:

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Originally Posted by lardy

It's too late, we've already seen you spaffing over the Daily Mail :hehe:

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Like I said, only the DM will print this stuff, the rest of the MSM stay away from it :biggrin:

https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/09/...ns-daily-mail/

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/09/...ns-daily-mail/

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That wouldn't surprise me given that Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc, are all in the Globalists corner. The war on fake news continues :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

That wouldn't surprise me given that Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc, are all in the Globalists corner. The war on fake news continues :biggrin:

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And the Daily Mail is such a paragon of virtue eh? 😃😃😃

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

And the Daily Mail is such a paragon of virtue eh? ������

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They report anti-globalist news items, which one would expect from a Brexit supporting media organisation. Cameron was so incensed by the DM that he demanded the firing of their editor. Anybody not on the same page as the Globalists is being silenced under the fake news agenda.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

That wouldn't surprise me given that Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc, are all in the Globalists corner. The war on fake news continues :biggrin:

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This is Wikipedia though.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

This is Wikipedia though.

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Information is a very powerful tool. Any group trying to achieve a specific agenda would certainly like to 'add a little colour', no matter how subtle the effect is. Blocking the DM as a source seems to be a good example of this.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

That wouldn't surprise me given that Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc, are all in the Globalists corner. The war on fake news continues :biggrin:

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I'm not sure if you are using that tripe to convince us or you.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Information is a very powerful tool. Any group trying to achieve a specific agenda would certainly like to 'add a little colour', no matter how subtle the effect is. Blocking the DM as a source seems to be a good example of this.

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Does it?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Have you seen this? https://vimeo.com/153178203

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http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...l-antivaccine/

Have you seen this?

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Originally Posted by Kris

I'm not sure if you are using that tripe to convince us or you.

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So you are an expert about everything only when it suits you? :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Kris

Does it?

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What do you think disallowing sources that don't fit in with a certain agenda means? And how about the timing, does it fit with the war on fake news?

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Originally Posted by Kris

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...l-antivaccine/

Have you seen this?

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Very interesting. A whistle blower takes on a multi-billion dollar industry and negative articles penned by experts appear soon afterwards. It would be more interesting if responses like this didn't happen, as it is always the same pattern of events with the same predictable outcomes.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Information is a very powerful tool. Any group trying to achieve a specific agenda would certainly like to 'add a little colour', no matter how subtle the effect is. Blocking the DM as a source seems to be a good example of this.

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Talking of the words "subtle" and "agenda", the former is just about the last word I'd apply when describing the latter when it comes to the Daily Mail - it could be of course that Wikipedia has a point when it describes the Daily Mail as "generally unreliable" with a history of "poor fact checking, sensationalism and flat-out fabrication".

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Talking of the words "subtle" and "agenda", the former is just about the last word I'd apply when describing the latter when it comes to the Daily Mail - it could be of course that Wikipedia has a point when it describes the Daily Mail as "generally unreliable" with a history of "poor fact checking, sensationalism and flat-out fabrication".

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I agree with you, but every entity has it's own agenda. Ultimately, why not let the people decide for themselves? If you know a thing or two about journalism, and I think you do, then you will know all about the tricks of the trade.