Selfish parent forced to take child on holidays during School Holidays

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

and how brown they normally after being sick for a week

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Try and claim they have very severe jaundice.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

When are they going to fine teachers for withdrawing their services and going on strike, allowing teachers to decide, is just a slap in the face to parents.

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Well they don't get paid for the day they strike.

Maybe that is the answer, full flexibility for everyone, no fines for parents but teachers can just swap their holiday for term time and get the cheap package deal to Majorca. Don't think parents would be happy with that though.

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Originally Posted by qccfc

You can book holidays at work, so the point is irrelevant. In a medium sized business with all of us with families all trying to get time off in a 6 week period is too difficult to schedule.

I havent had any term time holidays for the last 3 years, i just have smaller UK based vacations. However i do believe there should be an option there to book a weeks leave from school. At 4 and 7 i'm sure i could cover their work load for a week.

Maybe cut down the 6 weeks holiday to 4 weeks and give each child 2 weeks annual leave.

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The problem with that is that, whilst your child is having 2 weeks of annual leave, the other kids are learning and advancing. It is, as teachers have pointed out to me, a nightmare when you have a couple of kids a few days/weeks behind.

Yes, you can book holidays with work. I had a situation, though, where I was unable to book leave at all from July to mid September. If that happened to the one who brought the court case, would he have taken his employers to court and moaned about infringements to his human rights?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Schools could stagger their holidays.
Instead of a block of 6 weeks they could have everyone off for the same 2 weeks in the summer, then fit in the other 4 weeks wherever they see fit throughout the year. This will ease the supply and demand issue with holidays.

Secondaries and feeder primarys would have to match their dates though obviously.

This was suggested by a teacher mate of mine who says that after 6 weeks off they've forgotten every ****ing thing they've just learned anyway.

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Schools staggering their holidays may help, but it's just going to extend the period of "high prices" from the holiday companies. Therefore, there needs to be Government regulation on prices in conjuntion with staggered holidays.

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Originally Posted by ken smith

Try and claim they have very severe jaundice.

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Or just adopt some brown kids like Madonna did.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Yeah, be a good little drone and you might get to spend some time with your parents :hehe:

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You make it sound like kids and parents are in school/work 7 days a week and 16 hours a day.

I work 60 hour weeks (plus commutes) and I get plenty of time with my kids. Not sure why others find it so difficult.

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Originally Posted by Steve R

Your child belongs to the State, not you.

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What next? Fake moon landings? JFK was killed by aliens? John Lennon was shot by Elvis' dead corpse?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

In a previous life when I was a bus conductor we all had 4 weeks holiday a year in 2 blocks of 2 weeks. Rotas and duties were organised on the basis of the same % of crew on holiday at any point throughout the year. In most cases the 2 weeks fell in school term time, although the following year they would move on a few weeks. When the holiday rotas came out most people with kids were desperately trying to swap their holidays with people without kids. Most failed and either had to take their holidays in term time, or not have a holiday with their kids at all. I think the same system operates now.

You could say those people had an exaggerated sense of entitlement to family holidays? On the other hand they are far more restricted than people in jobs where they can apply for holiday leave at any time (subject to cover and business/service priorities). It was not about chasing lower cost holidays in their case - either in the UK or abroad. There must be other jobs like that too?

However, although I think there should always be space for discretion and exceptional circumstances, I do think rules should be respected and followed as much as possible. Collective provision and responsibility before individual preference. The man in the High Court case was arguing the primacy of parental choice over school rules - not exceptions or costs - and I disagree with him.

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My old man had similar rotas. We had one family holiday during the time I was 8 - 16. We still had a great time, though, and I doubt if there are many families as close as ours (even the ones who get to go on holidays).

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Originally Posted by goats

It already is a slap in the face. Our kids always go to school, not missed a day so far this school year, but if I want to take them out on a holiday which will be half the price in term time I f in well will....they can do one. The amount of parents I see who keep there kids off all the time because they can't be arsed to take them, or one is ill so don't leave house is unreal. Foreigners feel they can phuck off back to wherever for a nice long month or two and just come back. See it all the time, no fine as got no money. These and the other chavs are the Ines that disrupt schooling more, not the middle of the rd normals who are just struggling to afford a holiday, the Ines who teach there kids at home aswell, where they learn more than in school anyway.....

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How have you turned this into a rant about immigration? And what is a Ine? A good test would be to make sure your kids know the difference between there and their before you remove them from education for 2 weeks just so that you can drink Sangria in the sun.

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Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas

I have sympathy on both sides, I'm taking my kids out of school for three days at the end of term, but I wouldn't just take a week or more off right in the middle of the school year even though they are young.

The sense of entitlement from some parents does make me chuckle though. This woman on the radio earlier was ranting about it being within her human rights to have a foreign holiday. And the line about her kids learning more by having a week in Majorca as if she's taking them on some sort of cultural exchange ffs :hehe:

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Brilliant! Two or three days off at the end of a term, I don't see any problems with that personally. Anything more, and I think there is a risk that your kid will fall behind. And, who knows whether they will have the ability to catch up? Kids are easily demoralised, and sitting in a lesson (as I did after I had Chicken Pox) 2 weeks behind your peers is frustrating.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

If you don't tell anyone you're going away and phone the school each morning for a week to say your child is ill, the school would be none the wiser.

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Just wondering, would you do the same with your boss (i.e. fake sickness for a week just to have a holiday)?

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Originally Posted by Kris

You make it sound like kids and parents are in school/work 7 days a week and 16 hours a day.

I work 60 hour weeks (plus commutes) and I get plenty of time with my kids. Not sure why others find it so difficult.

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Perhaps because you are assuming everyone is the same as you. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Kris

You make it sound like kids and parents are in school/work 7 days a week and 16 hours a day.

I work 60 hour weeks (plus commutes) and I get plenty of time with my kids. Not sure why others find it so difficult.

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Yes. You are so much cleverer and wiser than the rest of us. Not bad seeing as you had those 2 weeks off school.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Perhaps because you are assuming everyone is the same as you. :biggrin:

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Give me a scenario where kids and families are unable to spend time together (apart from the obvious family separation).

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Originally Posted by Thoth

Yes. You are so much cleverer and wiser than the rest of us. Not bad seeing as you had those 2 weeks off school.

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I'm sure there is a point to this reply somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

When are they going to fine teachers for withdrawing their services and going on strike, allowing teachers to decide, is just a slap in the face to parents.

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They lose a day's pay.

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Originally Posted by Thoth

Yes. You are so much cleverer and wiser than the rest of us. Not bad seeing as you had those 2 weeks off school.

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I wonder if he had 2 weeks off every year. Think about it.

A school year is 38 weeks. Johnny takes off 2 weeks every year for a family holiday. He is in school from age 4-16. 24 weeks off for holidays (plus sickness). It's quite likely that for 1 year of those 12 years in school he has not attended a single lesson.

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Originally Posted by Thoth

Yes. You are so much cleverer and wiser than the rest of us. Not bad seeing as you had those 2 weeks off school.

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:hehe: With that extra two weeks he could have sussed the multi-quote function.

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Originally Posted by Kris

Give me a scenario where kids and families are unable to spend time together (apart from the obvious family separation).

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There are loads of scenarios, my dad used to work away all week, if my mum had to work weekends (she didn't) we would have never spent any time all together as a family, everyone is different, people work weird hours and for some families it's impossible to get time off work at the same time, you can't just assume everyone is the same.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

:hehe: With that extra two weeks he could have sussed the multi-quote function.


There are loads of scenarios, my dad used to work away all week, if my mum had to work weekends (she didn't) we would have never spent any time all together as a family, everyone is different, people work weird hours and for some families it's impossible to get time off work at the same time, you can't just assume everyone is the same.

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So, you could spend time with dad on weekends and mum on weeknights. They could then book some leave - assuming we're not talking the Victorian era here - for a family holiday in the summer (whether that be Barbados, Porthcawl, or your back garden)?

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Originally Posted by CCFCPhil

So, you could spend time with dad on weekends and mum on weeknights. They could then book some leave - assuming we're not talking the Victorian era here - for a family holiday in the summer (whether that be Barbados, Porthcawl, or your back garden)?

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This is not about me, I went on plenty of holidays, we also moved house a couple of times to new areas so I had to start new schools, oh the horror of it all, I managed to survive though. :hehe:

You say it like everyone can just have their holidays in the summer, if you own an ice cream shop are you going to close it for a week in the school holidays? of course not, like I said, everyone is different.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

This is not about me, I went on plenty of holidays, we also moved house a couple of times to new areas so I had to start new schools, oh the horror of it all, I managed to survive though. :hehe:

You say it like everyone can just have their holidays in the summer, if you own an ice cream shop are you going to close it for a week in the school holidays? of course not, like I said, everyone is different.

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Correct Mrs R. My son who is in the army, CAN'T pick when he wants his holidays, so has to take the kids out in term time.

He does get permission though. :thumbup:

60 quid per child per parent,

so a family with the average 2 children take them out of school and get fined 240 quid

its not going to stop anyone, we take them out for 3 days in Oct, have my children suffered, of course not, infact the youngest had her annual school report come home on Wednesday, how many days did she have of school yes 3, no other days of at all

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Originally Posted by Kris

Give me a scenario where kids and families are unable to spend time together (apart from the obvious family separation).

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Originally Posted by blue matt

60 quid per child per parent,

so a family with the average 2 children take them out of school and get fined 240 quid

its not going to stop anyone, we take them out for 3 days in Oct, have my children suffered, of course not, infact the youngest had her annual school report come home on Wednesday, how many days did she have of school yes 3, no other days of at all

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Where do you take them?