Suicide Bombers

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Originally Posted by Sloop_Jon_Bee

:thumbup: I am not one to usually get involved in these type of debates/discussions. But IMO, the answers and solutions lay within their own communities. I agree with 'Life on Mars' - not enough is being done within the muslim community, either by parents or religious leaders. It seems the latter have in many cases been the orchestrators of radicalisation.
Spedger

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In my opinion it is just a convenient way to blame all Muslims for the actions of a few dangerous violent radical ones.

I think OM has spouted the biggest load of propaganda in this thread, and Jimmy the Jock has fallen for it. Some radical lunatic has killed 22 innocent victims (including kids) along with himself , and some how the British media are to blame. The only thing they are guilty of, is trying to get to the truth.
The cosecutive Tory and Labour governments have done more than enough over the yrs to cause "social divisions" without the help of terrorists., and try telling the parents of the Manchester fallen that the media "convey the false impression that terrorism is an existential threat to our way of life".
Religious fanatics are a very real threats to our way of life in Britain, and we really should be facing this threat head on, instead of constantly belittling our media, as if they are strapping the bombs to themselves!!

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

How would you feel if these were stood behind you in a shopping centre:---

http://www.britainfirst.org/wp-conte...IL-600x314.jpg

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Two were in st Davids centre yesterday and coming out as I went in. One said 'thank you' as I stood aside to let them out through door
I held open. The other one didn't.
I think we should bring back intternemt for that.

By the way Britain first ?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

I believe this is true .
What are the chances of getting hurt in a terrorist attack next to zero , zilch middle of a donut. Yet we are led to believe we will be next .

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70+ people found out they were next,what are the chances huh?

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Originally Posted by goslow

70+ people found out they were next,what are the chances huh?

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Pretty close to one in a million.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Pretty close to one in a million.

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4E-06

That's the level of safety we build most large industrial projects too

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

I think OM has spouted the biggest load of propaganda in this thread, and Jimmy the Jock has fallen for it. Some radical lunatic has killed 22 innocent victims (including kids) along with himself , and some how the British media are to blame. The only thing they are guilty of, is trying to get to the truth.
The cosecutive Tory and Labour governments have done more than enough over the yrs to cause "social divisions" without the help of terrorists., and try telling the parents of the Manchester fallen that the media "convey the false impression that terrorism is an existential threat to our way of life".
Religious fanatics are a very real threats to our way of life in Britain, and we really should be facing this threat head on, instead of constantly belittling our media, as if they are strapping the bombs to themselves!!

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I have my own opinions thanks , of course we should be careful , what happened in Manchester was shocking , should I believe a terrorist is about to dive bomb the millennium stadium during the European finals ? Should I keep away from the beach in case some nutter blows himself and my family up? Should I believe the world is full of crazies or there are a few nutters , well organised nutters who need to be stopped, putting the country into an over the top state of fear isn't going to fix anything .

The U.K. has dropped 1200 bombs on Libya and Iraq since 2004, killing over 1 million civilians. And we wonder why these young men are easily convinced to turn to terrorism.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

There is a way forward and that is for the Muslim community to rise and stand up and seek its own solution if as its says its not the majority which I believe ,below are a few ideas :

Open its mosques to everyone and announce and banner that as so .
Have open days
Televise these prey events and side events
Become more integrated
Put notices outside mosques , visually condemning radicals,march as so .
State publically everywhere , outside mosques , Muslim schools that these radicals " are not one of us or represent our religion "
Give up those they suspect are showing tendency radical views/ways or those who show show anger towards their new openness and solidarity against these type of ideology .

For me there is not enough evidence that the above happens .

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Mosques I know of in Cardiff ARE open to everyone
Mosques DO have open days and the did publicise it #visitmymosque day was in February this year
Muslims I know ARE MORE than integrated ( btw it works both ways)
They visually condem terrorism and more ( even this last **** in Manchester own mother informed police way before he killed those poor people)
The DO inform on suspected wannabe terrorists


There is more than enough evidence that this happens, YES more could be done but that also works both ways

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Originally Posted by Auntie Andy

The U.K. has dropped 1200 bombs on Libya and Iraq since 2004, killing over 1 million civilians. And we wonder why these young men are easily convinced to turn to terrorism.

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Absolute and unequivocal bollocks.

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Originally Posted by tigerbaybluebird

Mosques I know of in Cardiff ARE open to everyone
Mosques DO have open days and the did publicise it #visitmymosque day was in February this year
Muslims I know ARE MORE than integrated ( btw it works both ways)
They visually condem terrorism and more ( even this last **** in Manchester own mother informed police way before he killed those poor people)
The DO inform on suspected wannabe terrorists


There is more than enough evidence that this happens, YES more could be done but that also works both ways

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Absolutely, and if we stopped getting involved in matters of oil... ahem .. the Middle East , perhaps their loooneys would leave our country alone ?

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Originally Posted by goslow

Absolute and unequivocal bollocks.

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Figures may be wrong , the statement is bang on .

Can you still get cream soda these days?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

I have my own opinions thanks , of course we should be careful , what happened in Manchester was shocking , should I believe a terrorist is about to dive bomb the millennium stadium during the European finals ? Should I keep away from the beach in case some nutter blows himself and my family up? Should I believe the world is full of crazies or there are a few nutters , well organised nutters who need to be stopped, putting the country into an over the top state of fear isn't going to fix anything .

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We all know the chances of getting caught up in one of these terrorist attacks are minuscule. But Organ Morgan blaming the media for causing widespread panic is a tad over the top. A situation like Manchester is bound to be front page news, with over the top coverage and crazy headlines for a few days. Everyone takes a moment to reflect it could have been them or a member of their family, then we all go about out business in the same manner again.