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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
If Labour found a decent leader with decent policies rather than a "Spend Spend Spend" wish list I might support them.
:-)
A rapidly growing number of voters and quite a number economic commentators seem to think that Labour have found exactly that.
Some may still scoff, and some may see a predefined script being played out but I think it is blindingly obvious that the lid is not going back on the old box, and also time is rapidly running out for the Tory Party as we currently know it. Blindingly, obviously so.
Change isn't coming. It has already arrived.
Re: DUP and the tories deal done
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Pepper
:-)
A rapidly growing number of voters and quite a number economic commentators seem to think that Labour have found exactly that.
Some may still scoff, and some may see a predefined script being played out but I think it is blindingly obvious that the lid is not going back on the old box, and also time is rapidly running out for the Tory Party as we currently know it. Blindingly, obviously so.
Change isn't coming. It has already arrived.
Which economic commentators backed all labours policies then?
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are we really surprised by this
The DUP have played a blinder here, of course any deal was going to come at a heavy price, They are only interested in NI and what they can get out of this deal
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
Which economic commentators backed all labours policies then?
"all policies" - I'm not sure that is quite what I meant.
I know what I have read - I'm not going looking for links for you now - but if you feel that is a poor show - then you have a go at this: - Which economic commentators looked at the Tory manifesto/costings and (what little detail there actually was * ) and spoke favorably? Good luck.
* Labour fully detailed their model. Just saying.
Re: DUP and the tories deal done
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Pepper
"all policies" - I'm not sure that is quite what I meant.
I know what I have read - I'm not going looking for links for you now - but if you feel that is a poor show - then you have a go at this: - Which economic commentators looked at the Tory manifesto/costings and (what little detail there actually was * ) and spoke favorably? Good luck.
* Labour fully detailed their model. Just saying.
Meant to change the all policies bit, I realise you didn't mean that.
Didn't say it was a poor show, just wondering.
The IFS incidentally wasn't impressed with either manifesto, calling the Conservatives "undeliverable" and Labours "unworkable"
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Re: DUP and the tories deal done
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Not what I meant.
We had the choice to vote for free higher education as a policy, we didn't have the choice to vote for more money to Northern Ireland.
One was a clear manifesto pledge, the other didn't exist until after the election.
I am quite surprised that you think it is even remotely the same.
What I am saying is that politicians from all sides offer inducements to whoever they are courting to secure votes.
There is no difference between Corbyn offering free tuition to secure votes in the general election and May offering infrastructure development to secure votes in parliament.
If the £1bn had been a result of a negotiation of Barnett then we would not have the issue we have. Because it has come about to secure a weak prime minister and government people are up in arms.
What does surprise me is that some think the DUP will get this money rather than the people of Northern Ireland, people who will benefit from new roads, hospitals and education. If this was Plaid and Wales we would all be lauding it as great use of leverage.
Northern Ireland has some of the most deprived wards in the UK. By any other method wealth redistribution and state intervention such as this would be welcomed by the left but since it involves the Tories it suddenly becomes today's bete noire
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£1 Billion to NI for their infrastructure is an extremely small price compared to the hundreds of billions of pounds promised by Labour over the next 5 years. How much would stopping student fees have cost on their own? Let alone all the other promises made?
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Originally Posted by
Nick
£1 Billion to NI for their infrastructure is an extremely small price compared to the hundreds of billions of pounds promised by Labour over the next 5 years. How much would stopping student fees have cost on their own? Let alone all the other promises made?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zelVQr7T9Qg
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You are all mad! I swear I'll be as nuts as all you lot if I have to keep on typing the same message - they are all the same!
The image below is a great example of their sameness.
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Organ Morgan.
That's quite a big assumption that you watch their crap in the first place :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
Meant to change the all policies bit, I realise you didn't mean that.
Didn't say it was a poor show, just wondering.
The IFS incidentally wasn't impressed with either manifesto, calling the Conservatives "undeliverable" and Labours "unworkable"
A great choice indeed.
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Wales-Bales
That's quite a big assumption that you watch their crap in the first place :hehe:
This page seems to have got bigger
https://www.facebook.com/tvlicenceresistance/
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If you want to watch TV legally then you must purchase a TV licence, or else, because we're watching you. We're trained from the off to be obedient to the state's edicts. That's an easy example of one of many extortion rackets operated by the Political Class. Pay through the nose for the privilege of being indoctrinated by Nanny's most powerful propaganda tool.
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Originally Posted by
TISS
What I am saying is that politicians from all sides offer inducements to whoever they are courting to secure votes.
There is no difference between Corbyn offering free tuition to secure votes in the general election and May offering infrastructure development to secure votes in parliament.
If the £1bn had been a result of a negotiation of Barnett then we would not have the issue we have. Because it has come about to secure a weak prime minister and government people are up in arms.
What does surprise me is that some think the DUP will get this money rather than the people of Northern Ireland, people who will benefit from new roads, hospitals and education. If this was Plaid and Wales we would all be lauding it as great use of leverage.
Northern Ireland has some of the most deprived wards in the UK. By any other method wealth redistribution and state intervention such as this would be welcomed by the left but since it involves the Tories it suddenly becomes today's bete noire
It's a bloody good effort I will give you that.
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Originally Posted by
Nick
£1 Billion to NI for their infrastructure is an extremely small price compared to the hundreds of billions of pounds promised by Labour over the next 5 years. How much would stopping student fees have cost on their own? Let alone all the other promises made?
Yeah, let's not invest in education of our younger people.
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Originally Posted by
Kris
Yeah, let's not invest in education of our younger people.
1 educated young person is worth 100 property developers. The Tories have turned us into a nation of parasites.
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Wales-Bales
1 educated young person is worth 100 property developers. The Tories have turned us into a nation of parasites.
I was watching Homes Under the Hammer today (off and sick) and saw some bloke planning to turn a £101k property in Torquay into six bedsits spending just 30,000.
The property was needing more than a lick of paint. I wondered if he was a Tory MP.
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Originally Posted by
Kris
I was watching Homes Under the Hammer today (off and sick) and saw some bloke planning to turn a £101k property in Torquay into six bedsits spending just 30,000.
The property was needing more than a lick of paint. I wondered if he was a Tory MP.
Fantastic entrepreneurship, give that man a tax cut.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Fantastic entrepreneurship, give that man a tax cut.
Perception: the Tories are the party of low taxes and tax cuts for the wealthiest
Reality: this government is collecting more in tax than any other in history.
It is easy to think taxes are falling when the main headline rates are reduced. Unless you look at the overall picture - there are many taxes - you will form an incorrect conclusion.
Regarding landlords - the case in point - we have seen a reduction in higher rate mortgage interest relief as well as an increase in SDLT rates for company acquisitions and 2nd properties.
Re: DUP and the tories deal done
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Originally Posted by
TISS
Perception: the Tories are the party of low taxes and tax cuts for the wealthiest
Reality: this government is collecting more in tax than any other in history.
It is easy to think taxes are falling when the main headline rates are reduced. Unless you look at the overall picture - there are many taxes - you will form an incorrect conclusion.
Regarding landlords - the case in point - we have seen a reduction in higher rate mortgage interest relief as well as an increase in SDLT rates for company acquisitions and 2nd properties.
I am referring to the general perception that anyone who isn't 'employed' is an entrepreneur wealth creator. Not all self employed/business owners/entrepreneurs are equal.
I agree, this government has gone further with stealth taxes than any in history.
Re: DUP and the tories deal done
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Originally Posted by
TISS
Perception: the Tories are the party of low taxes and tax cuts for the wealthiest
Reality: this government is collecting more in tax than any other in history.
It is easy to think taxes are falling when the main headline rates are reduced. Unless you look at the overall picture - there are many taxes - you will form an incorrect conclusion.
Regarding landlords - the case in point - we have seen a reduction in higher rate mortgage interest relief as well as an increase in SDLT rates for company acquisitions and 2nd properties.
Out of interest who/what are the current Gov't collecting more tax from?
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
I am referring to the general perception that anyone who isn't 'employed' is an entrepreneur wealth creator. Not all self employed/business owners/entrepreneurs are equal.
I agree, this government has gone further with stealth taxes than any in history.
That makes them sound so much more fun than they are
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Pepper
Out of interest who/what are the current Gov't collecting more tax from?
anyone who pays VAT (i.e. pretty much everyone)
landlords
higher rate taxpayers
non doms
the list goes on