Cardiff, growing too fast?

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

spare a thought for us poor lot in east cardiff . been mentioned a million times before we ain't got any train service out here - thank your lucky stars in the north of the city !!

we're on the mainline cardiff to newport train route too . just put a station anywhere between rumney and st mellons and would take thousands of cars off the roads at peak times . not rocket science !

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Oh, come on! I live in St Mellons, we're getting a rail station.
It's been promised.
They said so about 25 years ago.

Oh, hang on.


Perhaps they're waiting for the underground...or the monorail...

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Bristol's traffic is something else. That needs to be the warning for Cardiff.

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Bath traffic is awful too for a relatively small town

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Bath traffic is awful too for a relatively small CITY

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FYP :hehe:

I too saw the worrying program, not enthused by the leader of the council or the chap happy to build nice shiny buildings ,this is not a local council issue it needs intervention and specific funding from WAG .

I'm no expert but dont you build the transport infrastructures first , unless its just for the rich coming in from afar on a train and not having to walk or travel very far ,why they could not build the bus station by that now pulled down car park, at that side lane leading to the Prince of Wales is beyond me , perhaps they didn't want folks viewing City fans boozing and smoking outside and being asked to do the ayatollah ( aka baker street London moment )??

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Originally Posted by goats

Can't believe they have put such little funds into transport to ease what will be a nightmare fir many commuters. There is an old railway line that runs past Radyr toward creigiau, why don't they sort it?? A line out that way would sort a few issues

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There was talk a couple of years ago about the line to Creigiau being rebuilt with a new station in Fairwater called "Keyston" being included, but canvassers for Plaid Cymru during the council elections told me that the new station would never happen and doubted the timescale for the line reopening.

There's a map on this link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-31418603

which includes the line to Creigau that in fact goes on to Talbot Green before joining the Swansea to Cardiff line at Pontyclun. There's also stations planned for Ely Mill, Culverhouse Cross and Rhoose and stations called Newport Road and St Mellons for east Cardiff, but it seems to me that a lot of existing stations (including Ninian Park) have disappeared!

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Originally Posted by Zenith

Welcome to Beddau Bob, it's not all that bad here :hehe:. I drive to Fairwater on a Friday afternoon, usually taking 20 minutes through Creigau. Leaving Fairwater late afternoon around 4 it can take at least 15 minutes more to get back.

As above though, Talbot Green/Llantrisant/Pontyclun is shocking for traffic at most times, never mind rush hour.

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Quite like what I've seen of Beddau so far, but I've yet to spot a pub there - wasn't it the venue for a famous messageboard scrap a few years ago?

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

Have you considered buying a bike?

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Far too many hills around Beddau :hehe: and, anyway, after watching some of the incidents in that programme, I think I'll stick to the car, bus or train.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Quite like what I've seen of Beddau so far, but I've yet to spot a pub there - wasn't it the venue for a famous messageboard scrap a few years ago?

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No pubs left in Beddau Bob, the Gelynog shut years ago after an incident with a shotgun, the Bowman is now a block of flats. You still have the welfare club and the rugby club though. A short walk to Llantwit and you have four decent boozers, the Crown, the Ship, the New Inn and the Bush.

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Originally Posted by ian gibson

No pubs left in Beddau Bob, the Gelynog shut years ago after an incident with a shotgun, the Bowman is now a block of flats. You still have the welfare club and the rugby club though. A short walk to Llantwit and you have four decent boozers, the Crown, the Ship, the New Inn and the Bush.

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:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Nick

That's a new one on me.

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The world is your octopus

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Originally Posted by Llanedeyrnblue

The world is your octopus

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Correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn't that be 'the world is your oyster'?

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Originally Posted by Cyclops

Correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn't that be 'the world is your oyster'?

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I thought it was lobster? :tongue:

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Bath traffic is awful too for a relatively small town

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the whole city is just a bottleneck, travelling from one side to the other you have to go through the center of it

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Originally Posted by blue matt

the whole city is just a bottleneck, travelling from one side to the other you have to go through the center of it

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I just dont get why the council spent £57m on that 1 mile bridge from the end of rover way to the Bay... if they wanted to make real improvements then it needs to be a dual carriageway all the way up to Rumney.

It saves a couple of minutes each morning... but I (nor anyone in my office living in the east) dont bother with it on the way home - rover way is chockerblock, and its quicker to go through the city center and up newport road.

And why is it even a bridge?! Not sure that it needed to be?!

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Originally Posted by TH63

I live in Thornhill, which can be a nightmare in the morning with traffic coming from Caerphilly and basically turning Thornhill Road/Caerphilly Road into a car park. Some of them even take shortcuts (the bastards!) though Thornhill/Llanishen and jam up fidlas Road.

It's great that Cardiff is growing, but in order to meet that growth, some serious and immediate attention needs to be given to transport infrastructure (not to any Cardiff City planners reading this - more bus lanes is NOT the answer)

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Also live in Thornhill mate. Driving from here down to Leckwith is a f*cking nightmare for these reasons. It's taken me 45 minutes to get to and from work plenty of times. I need my company car for work, if I didn't, I'd be getting the bloody train.

I've been saying to the missus all week that Cardiff is biting off more than it can chew at the moment, as we don't have the travel infrastructure to be the mega city it's dying to be in such a small span of time. All my life is spent in traffic in Cardiff at the moment - something really needs to be done. Such a beautiful city spoiled by its absolutely diabolical travel infrastructure.

As an irregular visitor to Cardiff (except Fridays and Saturdays) on occasional match days I am always impressed how free flowing the traffic is compared with many other towns and cities. In many other places people have been more or less forced to use public transport and this is the only option unless massive amounts of money is spent on road improvements. In many places, in areas other than Cardiff, offices don't have parking places for staff and that even includes also hospitals meaning staff on night shift have no option but to walk a couple of miles at the end of their working day or getting a taxi when public transport ends at around 11pm. In some respects Cardiffians are not that hard done by. As an earlier poster said don't knock public transport until you have tried it.

I was born there. I can't afford to live there. I won't go on. It sucks.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

As an irregular visitor to Cardiff (except Fridays and Saturdays) on occasional match days I am always impressed how free flowing the traffic is compared with many other towns and cities. In many other places people have been more or less forced to use public transport and this is the only option unless massive amounts of money is spent on road improvements. In many places, in areas other than Cardiff, offices don't have parking places for staff and that even includes also hospitals meaning staff on night shift have no option but to walk a couple of miles at the end of their working day or getting a taxi when public transport ends at around 11pm. In some respects Cardiffians are not that hard done by. As an earlier poster said don't knock public transport until you have tried it.

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You are quite right, too many people are comparing the Cardiff of today with the Cardiff of yesteryear rather than comparing it with other cities of today. Cardiff is relatively easy to commute to, from and across. There is a period before 9.00am when there is a build up of traffic and a period after around 4.30pm but other than for those short periods it is relatively easy to get around the city.

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Originally Posted by Nick

You are quite right, too many people are comparing the Cardiff of today with the Cardiff of yesteryear rather than comparing it with other cities of today. Cardiff is relatively easy to commute to, from and across. There is a period before 9.00am when there is a build up of traffic and a period after around 4.30pm but other than for those short periods it is relatively easy to get around the city.

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Yeah I agree, the longest "normal" Cardiff to Cardiff commute by car is probably in the region of 45 minutes, pushing up to an hour in exceptional circumstances. Yes that seems a lot when you know that if the streets were empty it would take 20 minutes, but it isn't that bad compared to other cities.

And that's only considering western cities, places in India you can take hours to travel a few miles

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Originally Posted by Nick

You are quite right, too many people are comparing the Cardiff of today with the Cardiff of yesteryear rather than comparing it with other cities of today. Cardiff is relatively easy to commute to, from and across. There is a period before 9.00am when there is a build up of traffic and a period after around 4.30pm but other than for those short periods it is relatively easy to get around the city.

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I agree that we're comparing Cardiff today with Cardiff yesterday. But isn't that the point of the thread?

The simple fact is that Cardiff is growing but we still have the same roads and public transport that we had 20 years ago.

Yes it's easier to get around than London or Bath, but that's not a lot of comfort to some poor sod stuck in traffic on their way into work.

It's not that Cardiff is growing too fast, it's the fact that Cardiff is growing that is the problem. Part of a global problem that we are busy creating.

Llandaff North to town by car takes around 10 mins, a few more mins at busy times.

On the bus it takes 30 mins and you get to listen to people inexplicably talking much too loudly, swearing a lot and infuriatingly playing shite music much too loudly on their phones.

Plus, it'll be far too hot in the summer, far too cold in the winter, the seat may have chewing gum stuck to it and if you have the gumption to be over 6 feet tall then you're going to break your kneecaps on the seat in front any time the bus stops.

EDIT: Oh, and the bus stops tend to have the glass smashed so the wind howls through while you wait for a bus that sometimes simply does not arrive.

Why they keep replacing the windows with glass is a mystery to me, they must be made of money. When I lived in St. Mellons they put plastic ones in that evidently are a lot less fun to smash every day.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Llandaff North to town by car takes around 10 mins, a few more mins at busy times.

On the bus it takes 30 mins and you get to listen to people inexplicably talking much too loudly, swearing a lot and infuriatingly playing shite music much too loudly on their phones.

Plus, it'll be far too hot in the summer, far too cold in the winter, the seat may have chewing gum stuck to it and if you have the gumption to be over 6 feet tall then you're going to break your kneecaps on the seat in front any time the bus stops.

EDIT: Oh, and the bus stops tend to have the glass smashed so the wind howls through while you wait for a bus that sometimes simply does not arrive.

Why they keep replacing the windows with glass is a mystery to me, they must be made of money. When I lived in St. Mellons they put plastic ones in that evidently are a lot less fun to smash every day.

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Kernel, you reminded me of this:

Tourist: Yes I quite agree I mean what's the point of being treated like sheep. What's the point of going abroad if you're just another tourist carted around in buses surrounded by sweaty mindless oafs from Kettering and Coventry in their cloth caps and their cardigans and their transistor radios and their Sunday Mirrors, complaining about the tea - "Oh they don't make it properly here, do they, not like at home" - and stopping at Majorcan bodegas selling fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel and calamari's and two veg and sitting in their cotton frocks squirting Timothy White's sun cream all over their puffy raw swollen purulent flesh 'cos they "overdid it on the first day."

Bounder: (agreeing patiently) Yes absolutely, yes I quite agree...

Tourist: And being herded into endless Hotel Miramars and Bellvueses and Continentales with their modern international luxury roomettes and draught Red Barrel and swimming pools full of fat German businessmen pretending they're acrobats forming pyramids and frightening the children and barging into queues and if you're not at your table spot on seven you miss the bowl of Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup, the first item on the menu of International Cuisine, and every Thursday night the hotel has a bloody cabaret in the bar, featuring a tiny emaciated dago with nine-inch hips and some bloated fat tart with her hair brylcreemed down and a big arse presenting Flamenco for Foreigners.

Bounder: (beginning to get fed up) Yes, yes now......

Tourist: And then some adenoidal typists from Birmingham with flabby white legs and diarrhea trying to pick up hairy bandy-legged wop waiters called Manuel and once a week there's an excursion to the local Roman Remains to buy cherryade and melted ice cream and bleeding Watney's Red Barrel and one evening you visit the so called typical restaurant with local color and atmosphere and you sit next to a party from Rhyl who keep singing "Torremolinos, torremolinos" and complaining about the food - "It's so greasy isn't it?" - and you get cornered by some drunken greengrocer from Luton with an Instamatic camera and Dr. Scholl sandals and last Tuesday's Daily Express and he drones on and on about how Mr. Smith should be running this country and how many languages Enoch Powell can speak and then he throws up over the Cuba Libres.

Bounder: Will you be quiet please

Tourist: And sending tinted postcards of places they don't realize they haven't even visited to "All at number 22, weather wonderful, our room is marked with an 'X'.

Bounder: Shut up

Tourist: Food very greasy but we've found a charming little local place hidden away in the back streets

Bounder: Shut up!

Tourist: where they serve Watney's Red Barrel and cheese and onion.......

Bounder: Shut up your bloody gob....

Tourist: crisps and the accordionist plays 'Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner'." And spending four days on the tarmac at Luton airport on a five-day package tour with nothing to eat but dried BEA-type sandwiches and you can't even get a drink of Watney's Red Barrel because you're still in England and the bloody bar closes every time you're thirsty and there's nowhere to sleep and the kids are crying and vomiting and breaking the plastic ash-trays and they keep telling you it'll only be another hour although your plane is still in Iceland and has to take some Swedes to Yugoslavia before it can load you up at 3 a.m. in the bloody morning and you sit on the tarmac till six because of "unforeseen difficulties", i.e. the permanent strike of Air Traffic Control in Paris - and nobody can go to the lavatory until you take off at 8, and when you get to Malaga airport everybody's swallowing "enterovioform" and queuing for the toilets and queuing for the armed customs officers, and queuing for the bloody bus that isn't there to take you to the hotel that hasn't yet been finished. And when you finally get to the half-built Algerian ruin called the Hotel del Sol by paying half your holiday money to a licensed bandit in a taxi you find there's no water in the pool, there's no water in the taps, there's no water in the bog and there's only a bleeding lizard in the bidet. And half the rooms are double booked and you can't sleep anyway because of the permanent twenty-four-hour drilling of the foundations of the hotel next door - and you're plagued by appalling apprentice chemists from Ealing pretending to be hippies, and middle-class stockbrokers' wives busily buying identical holiday villas in suburban development plots just like Esher, in case the Labour government gets in again, and fat American matrons with sloppy-buttocks and Hawaiian-patterned ski pants looking for any mulatto male who can keep it up long enough when they finally let it all flop out. And the Spanish Tourist Board promises you that the raging cholera epidemic is merely a case of mild Spanish tummy, like the previous outbreak of Spanish tummy in 1660 which killed half London and decimated Europe - and meanwhile the bloody Guardia are busy arresting sixteen-year-olds for kissing in the streets and shooting anyone under nineteen who doesn't like Franco. And then on the last day in the airport lounge everyone's comparing sunburns, drinking Nasty Spumante, buying cartons of duty free "cigarillos" and using up their last pesetas on horrid dolls in Spanish National costume and awful straw donkeys and bullfight posters with your name on "Ordoney, El Cordobes and Brian Pules of Norwich" and 3-D pictures of the Pope and Kennedy and Franco, and everybody's talking about coming again next year and you swear you never will although there you are tumbling bleary-eyed out of a tourist-tight antique Iberian airplane...

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Llandaff North to town by car takes around 10 mins, a few more mins at busy times.

On the bus it takes 30 mins and you get to listen to people inexplicably talking much too loudly, swearing a lot and infuriatingly playing shite music much too loudly on their phones.

Plus, it'll be far too hot in the summer, far too cold in the winter, the seat may have chewing gum stuck to it and if you have the gumption to be over 6 feet tall then you're going to break your kneecaps on the seat in front any time the bus stops.

EDIT: Oh, and the bus stops tend to have the glass smashed so the wind howls through while you wait for a bus that sometimes simply does not arrive.

Why they keep replacing the windows with glass is a mystery to me, they must be made of money. When I lived in St. Mellons they put plastic ones in that evidently are a lot less fun to smash every day.

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Not true at all.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Llandaff North to town by car takes around 10 mins, .

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Yeah, try that on a match day!

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Llandaff North to town by car takes around 10 mins, a few more mins at busy times.

On the bus it takes 30 mins and you get to listen to people inexplicably talking much too loudly, swearing a lot and infuriatingly playing shite music much too loudly on their phones.

Plus, it'll be far too hot in the summer, far too cold in the winter, the seat may have chewing gum stuck to it and if you have the gumption to be over 6 feet tall then you're going to break your kneecaps on the seat in front any time the bus stops.

EDIT: Oh, and the bus stops tend to have the glass smashed so the wind howls through while you wait for a bus that sometimes simply does not arrive.

Why they keep replacing the windows with glass is a mystery to me, they must be made of money. When I lived in St. Mellons they put plastic ones in that evidently are a lot less fun to smash every day.

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Your missing a trick. Train to town takes 10 minutes. No queues, no parking, no road rage.

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Originally Posted by TH63

Yeah, try that on a match day!

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Do you ever stop moaning?
You won't be happy until you are the only person on the road.

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Originally Posted by Mambo

Not that it will a difference me posting my viewpoint and what Cardiff Council plan to do BUT - rather than build on the green fields in Cardiff - sure it would be better for everyone, if instead the transport infrastructure was improved and the various Councils of Caerphilly, Cardiff, Bedwas, Newport then redeveloped land in those areas (of which there is lots of land to build on). It would mean you can live in a lovely environment, with easy public transport links to the main areas of employment.

It would also spread some of the wealth away from Cardiff and into regions that could do with it. Would be great to live in the countryside and still be only 30 mins hassle free transport into the city centre.

Will never happen though - as the house price profit is probably in Cardiff rather than outside. 18 years Labour down the WAG, almost permanent Labour administration in the councils - they have no incentive whatsoever to get it right.

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That's exactly what they are trying to achieve with the South Wales Metro. Unfortunately I can't see the system being anywhere near as extensive as it needs to be. But that's mainly due to a lack of money not a lack of will.

The bus doesn't cost a penny. I fon't know what te fuss is about. lol
I also have a freedom pass for London, which is like an oyster card (Octapus???) and I can use any bus overland or underground train in the city, also free. When I was in London for the first 6 months of this year I was saving over£100 a month.

Trams are a nightmare, no one who has been to Crawley for instance could ever advocate street trams

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Originally Posted by Tandy

Do you ever stop moaning?
You won't be happy until you are the only person on the road.

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I use the train to get to work, that's a whole new level of misery

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Originally Posted by elytillidie

Kernel, you reminded me of this:

Tourist: Yes I quite agree I mean what's the point of being treated like sheep. What's the point of going abroad if you're just another tourist carted around in buses surrounded by sweaty mindless oafs from Kettering and Coventry in their cloth caps and their cardigans and their transistor radios and their Sunday Mirrors, complaining about the tea - "Oh they don't make it properly here, do they, not like at home" - and stopping at Majorcan bodegas selling fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel and calamari's and two veg and sitting in their cotton frocks squirting Timothy White's sun cream all over their puffy raw swollen purulent flesh 'cos they "overdid it on the first day."

Bounder: (agreeing patiently) Yes absolutely, yes I quite agree...

Tourist: And being herded into endless Hotel Miramars and Bellvueses and Continentales with their modern international luxury roomettes and draught Red Barrel and swimming pools full of fat German businessmen pretending they're acrobats forming pyramids and frightening the children and barging into queues and if you're not at your table spot on seven you miss the bowl of Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup, the first item on the menu of International Cuisine, and every Thursday night the hotel has a bloody cabaret in the bar, featuring a tiny emaciated dago with nine-inch hips and some bloated fat tart with her hair brylcreemed down and a big arse presenting Flamenco for Foreigners.

Bounder: (beginning to get fed up) Yes, yes now......

Tourist: And then some adenoidal typists from Birmingham with flabby white legs and diarrhea trying to pick up hairy bandy-legged wop waiters called Manuel and once a week there's an excursion to the local Roman Remains to buy cherryade and melted ice cream and bleeding Watney's Red Barrel and one evening you visit the so called typical restaurant with local color and atmosphere and you sit next to a party from Rhyl who keep singing "Torremolinos, torremolinos" and complaining about the food - "It's so greasy isn't it?" - and you get cornered by some drunken greengrocer from Luton with an Instamatic camera and Dr. Scholl sandals and last Tuesday's Daily Express and he drones on and on about how Mr. Smith should be running this country and how many languages Enoch Powell can speak and then he throws up over the Cuba Libres.

Bounder: Will you be quiet please

Tourist: And sending tinted postcards of places they don't realize they haven't even visited to "All at number 22, weather wonderful, our room is marked with an 'X'.

Bounder: Shut up

Tourist: Food very greasy but we've found a charming little local place hidden away in the back streets

Bounder: Shut up!

Tourist: where they serve Watney's Red Barrel and cheese and onion.......

Bounder: Shut up your bloody gob....

Tourist: crisps and the accordionist plays 'Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner'." And spending four days on the tarmac at Luton airport on a five-day package tour with nothing to eat but dried BEA-type sandwiches and you can't even get a drink of Watney's Red Barrel because you're still in England and the bloody bar closes every time you're thirsty and there's nowhere to sleep and the kids are crying and vomiting and breaking the plastic ash-trays and they keep telling you it'll only be another hour although your plane is still in Iceland and has to take some Swedes to Yugoslavia before it can load you up at 3 a.m. in the bloody morning and you sit on the tarmac till six because of "unforeseen difficulties", i.e. the permanent strike of Air Traffic Control in Paris - and nobody can go to the lavatory until you take off at 8, and when you get to Malaga airport everybody's swallowing "enterovioform" and queuing for the toilets and queuing for the armed customs officers, and queuing for the bloody bus that isn't there to take you to the hotel that hasn't yet been finished. And when you finally get to the half-built Algerian ruin called the Hotel del Sol by paying half your holiday money to a licensed bandit in a taxi you find there's no water in the pool, there's no water in the taps, there's no water in the bog and there's only a bleeding lizard in the bidet. And half the rooms are double booked and you can't sleep anyway because of the permanent twenty-four-hour drilling of the foundations of the hotel next door - and you're plagued by appalling apprentice chemists from Ealing pretending to be hippies, and middle-class stockbrokers' wives busily buying identical holiday villas in suburban development plots just like Esher, in case the Labour government gets in again, and fat American matrons with sloppy-buttocks and Hawaiian-patterned ski pants looking for any mulatto male who can keep it up long enough when they finally let it all flop out. And the Spanish Tourist Board promises you that the raging cholera epidemic is merely a case of mild Spanish tummy, like the previous outbreak of Spanish tummy in 1660 which killed half London and decimated Europe - and meanwhile the bloody Guardia are busy arresting sixteen-year-olds for kissing in the streets and shooting anyone under nineteen who doesn't like Franco. And then on the last day in the airport lounge everyone's comparing sunburns, drinking Nasty Spumante, buying cartons of duty free "cigarillos" and using up their last pesetas on horrid dolls in Spanish National costume and awful straw donkeys and bullfight posters with your name on "Ordoney, El Cordobes and Brian Pules of Norwich" and 3-D pictures of the Pope and Kennedy and Franco, and everybody's talking about coming again next year and you swear you never will although there you are tumbling bleary-eyed out of a tourist-tight antique Iberian airplane...

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Don't forget the bloody watneys red barrel. lol (Live at the Hollywood bowl)

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Originally Posted by Nick

http://plasdwr.co.uk/infrastructure-...r-nears-start/

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A quarter mile bus lane, that just feeds into an already congested stretch of road and some traffic lights .

Ffs.

Every September when the school holidays are over I find myself setting my alarm 5 mins earlier.

Leaving before 7 I can get from Radyr to Tremorfa in 25 mins. Getting home leaving any time any time between 4.30 and 6 can take as long as an hour.

7 feckin miles !

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

A quarter mile bus lane, that just feeds into an already congested stretch of road and some traffic lights .

Ffs.

Every September when the school holidays are over I find myself setting my alarm 5 mins earlier.

Leaving before 7 I can get from Radyr to Tremorfa in 25 mins. Getting home leaving any time any time between 4.30 and 6 can take as long as an hour.

7 feckin miles !

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A whole 5 minutes?

Carnage.

Been working in the Llanrumney side of Rumney recently (sounds daft that but that area from the British Legion down is Rumney). The traffic getting out of Llanrumney Avenue in the morning looks horrendous, crazy that a housing estate as large as Llanrumney has only two roads out, Mount Pleasant Ave & Llanrumney Ave. Be even worse is all the residents had jobs and had to get to work every morning😂

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Originally Posted by Nick

A whole 5 minutes?

Carnage.

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Every year though.
In 12 years time I'll have to leave at 6 am

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Expensive !

All day ticket on Cardiff Bus is £3-40p

I have not taken the car to town or footie for years, I think the people who knock the Bus service, are the ones that don't use it.

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I do detect from some a snobbery when it comes to bus travel in Wales , as if its some form of transport for winos, elderly and the infirm.

Me I love it , you meet the world and more and £3.40 for all day travel , is wonderful value ,cheaper than staying local and buying a pint of Guinness and some nuts.

To be fair Llandaf North and Whitchurch has excellent bus and rail services , nearly every 15 minutes of so, because of the valleys.

However as Paul points out, its crossing the other way where its appaling, best to keep of the roads in rush hour though.

Did catch leader of the council selling the virtue of cycling and improving that experince probaly to the detriment of car users , so he had his highly paid team have had a chat to be fair,congestion charging looms , works in London , all folk use London Transport .

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

There was talk a couple of years ago about the line to Creigiau being rebuilt with a new station in Fairwater called "Keyston" being included, but canvassers for Plaid Cymru during the council elections told me that the new station would never happen and doubted the timescale for the line reopening.

There's a map on this link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-31418603

which includes the line to Creigau that in fact goes on to Talbot Green before joining the Swansea to Cardiff line at Pontyclun. There's also stations planned for Ely Mill, Culverhouse Cross and Rhoose and stations called Newport Road and St Mellons for east Cardiff, but it seems to me that a lot of existing stations (including Ninian Park) have disappeared!

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They are turning that line into a walking/cycle path this autumn

So much for me thinking it would be part of this elusive "metro" system

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Been working in the Llanrumney side of Rumney recently (sounds daft that but that area from the British Legion down is Rumney). The traffic getting out of Llanrumney Avenue in the morning looks horrendous, crazy that a housing estate as large as Llanrumney has only two roads out, Mount Pleasant Ave & Llanrumney Ave. Be even worse is all the residents had jobs and had to get to work every morning😂

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Bottom of Llanrumney slip road onto the dual carriageway would help.

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

Every year though.
In 12 years time I'll have to leave at 6 am

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No you won't.

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Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas

That's exactly what they are trying to achieve with the South Wales Metro. Unfortunately I can't see the system being anywhere near as extensive as it needs to be. But that's mainly due to a lack of money not a lack of will.

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We are absolutely desperate for The Metro.

I also used to hate bus lanes, but now realise that every full bus is 20 - 30 potential cars off the road, making car drivers' journeys quicker, not slower.

I also cannot state strongly enough, how many more cars would be kept off the road with a train service from St Mellons / East Cardiff. I was pissed off with that whilst living there, over 20 years ago.

I couldn't wait to live somewhere where I could use the train again.

Although I think the Cardiff East Park and Ride off the A48 and subsequent bus lanes has been a great idea for people there, and therefore other road users heading to town.