Re: Brighton after Zohore
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
It would be interesting to know what, if anything, Hull actually did bid for Zohore. That may help to give us a better idea of what sort of figures are realistic for him at this stage. It's almost impossible to judge because very rarely has anyone gone from looking like a glorified parks player to one who has Premier League potential in such a short space of time, but that will undoubtedly be something that any potential bidder will have in mind.
I think a figure of around £6M was mentioned somewhere that we turned down. I agree that it's almost impossible to know how to value someone who has gone through the sort of change we've seen in Zohore, but the fact that we don't have to sell will mean that we can hold out for a price we think he's worth. The fact that NW has mentioned around £15M would seem to set out what the Club think he might be worth.
Anyhow, it's all conjecture. I hope we do not have to find out this season what his value is and that he continues to improve as quickly as he has already.
Re: Brighton after Zohore
There's a few things that have been mentioned already which I think are important here. First, Zohore is someone who was the youngest ever debutant in senior top flight Danish football and was playing Champions League football at 16 in the Camp Nou and, at 17, at Stamford Bridge - he also had trials with Chelsea and Inter Milan around that time.
So, I think it's fair to say that he was rated very, very highly when he started playing in senior football. Of course, there are plenty of players who were thought to have the world at their feet as teenagers who find fulfilling a measure of the hype they attract a problem they cannot solve (this applies in some ways to our new signing Loic Damour up to now) and was definitely the case with Zohore for a five year period.
However, even during his "glorified parks player" phase, there was the very occasional performance for City (notably at 15/16 Champions Burnley for one) which suggested we had a player who just might be capable of making a real impact at Championship level. Yes, he's not done it that often yet, but there were occasions once he had started scoring regularly when he was virtually unplayable last season.
The game I remember most was Ipswich when the visitors started with three tough and experienced centrebacks at this level facing a City team where Zohore was playing the lone front man role. Although his team were level at 1-1 at the interval, Mick McCarthy had seen enough to take one of them off after forty five minutes, but it made no difference, because by the end Zohore had run the remaining centrebacks ragged and Ipswich left grateful to have only lost 3-1 - it's hard to be really objective when it's one of your teams players involved, but I cannot remember seeing a more effective target man performance last season in our division than that one.
Based on performances like that and the ones against Fulham, Wolves and at Huddersfield, City are right to say that it it would need a bid of £15 million before they contemplated selling. If we were able to get £20 million in late August for Zohore from a desperate Premier League club, you'd like to think that much of it would be made available for new players, but it needs to be borne in mind that these days in the Championship paying even eight figures for a striker is no guarantee that we'd get someone who could offer what Zohore at his best can - in fact, I'd be inclined to leave the domestic market alone unless we were looking at a very good quality loan from a Premier League club when it came to replacing Zohore.
Re: Brighton after Zohore
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
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Re: Brighton after Zohore
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
There's a few things that have been mentioned already which I think are important here. First, Zohore is someone who was the youngest ever debutant in senior top flight Danish football and was playing Champions League football at 16 in the Camp Nou and, at 17, at Stamford Bridge - he also had trials with Chelsea and Inter Milan around that time.
So, I think it's fair to say that he was rated very, very highly when he started playing in senior football. Of course, there are plenty of players who were thought to have the world at their feet as teenagers who find fulfilling a measure of the hype they attract a problem they cannot solve (this applies in some ways to our new signing Loic Damour up to now) and was definitely the case with Zohore for a five year period.
However, even during his "glorified parks player" phase, there was the very occasional performance for City (notably at 15/16 Champions Burnley for one) which suggested we had a player who just might be capable of making a real impact at Championship level. Yes, he's not done it that often yet, but there were occasions once he had started scoring regularly when he was virtually unplayable last season.
The game I remember most was Ipswich when the visitors started with three tough and experienced centrebacks at this level facing a City team where Zohore was playing the lone front man role. Although his team were level at 1-1 at the interval, Mick McCarthy had seen enough to take one of them off after forty five minutes, but it made no difference, because by the end Zohore had run the remaining centrebacks ragged and Ipswich left grateful to have only lost 3-1 - it's hard to be really objective when it's one of your teams players involved, but I cannot remember seeing a more effective target man performance last season in our division than that one.
Based on performances like that and the ones against Fulham, Wolves and at Huddersfield, City are right to say that it it would need a bid of £15 million before they contemplated selling. If we were able to get £20 million in late August for Zohore from a desperate Premier League club, you'd like to think that much of it would be made available for new players, but it needs to be borne in mind that these days in the Championship paying even eight figures for a striker is no guarantee that we'd get someone who could offer what Zohore at his best can - in fact, I'd be inclined to leave the domestic market alone unless we were looking at a very good quality loan from a Premier League club when it came to replacing Zohore.
Some very good points there. Zohore has indeed always shown great promise but until this season has only provided glimpses of what he can do. Massive credit must go to Warnock & his coaches for helping Zohore to perform on a consistent basis.
The Ipswich game also sticks in my mind, in addition to his great goal v Preston.
If we receive a an offer we cannot refuse I just hope that we don't find ourselves in a similar position to the one we witnessed with our goal-keepers last season when we sold Moore & Marshall within a matter of weeks & were unable to adequately replace them until January.
Re: Brighton after Zohore
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Originally Posted by
Rhiw-Blue
I can't help but think that many are in for big disappointment and a reality check in the coming months.
Of course in a perfect storm situation we could win the division but all things being equal then a similar finish to last season is on the cards.
We're supporters, I get that, but blind optimism is futile and not for me and right NOW KZ is not a £10m player, Colin is not Pep Guardiola and we're unlikely to make the play offs.
Reality check, about what exactly?
No one has talked about winning The Championship on this message board, hopes of making the play-offs ... perhaps and is that really outside the realms of possibility, I think not?
Yes, Neil (why do our own supporters insist on calling him "Colin"?) isn't Pep Guardiola and I'm happy he's not - how would Guardiola cope with a limited budget like ours?
As for your statement that Zahore is not worth £10m right now? ... I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
Re: Brighton after Zohore
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Originally Posted by
Rock_Flock_of_Five
Reality check, about what exactly?
No one has talked about winning The Championship on this message board, hopes of making the play-offs ... perhaps and is that really outside the realms of possibility, I think not?
Yes, Neil (why do our own supporters insist on calling him "Colin"?) isn't Pep Guardiola and I'm happy he's not - how would Guardiola cope with a limited budget like ours?
As for your statement that Zahore is not worth £10m right now? ... I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
Well said. Like you I really don't understand why some on here choose to refer to our manager in such a derogatory way.
Re: Brighton after Zohore
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Superdad
He's better than Britt Assombalonga and he's just gone for £14m.
On what do you base that statemenr?
Re: Brighton after Zohore
"Colin Colin, do the Ayatolah!"
And he did it!!!!!!
He'll always be Colin.
Re: Brighton after Zohore
We showed play off form from when NW took over, and we've added a few players that improve us whilst keeping hold of our best players. Why can't people see us challenging for play offs?
But Zohore staying is key to that in my opinion, although I suspect NW would have a back up plan ready if we did receive a silly bid we couldn't turn down.
Re: Brighton after Zohore
Zohore has shown some good potential and significantly improved his performances under a decent manager , this year will be a huge test for the lad and it looks like we have added decent players around him to support that progress , so let's prey he stays and improves, however any fee over 10 million will be difficult to turn down on such an unknown factor of a player that may or may not improve,
Re: Brighton after Zohore
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Originally Posted by
Rhiw-Blue
I can't help but think that many are in for big disappointment and a reality check in the coming months.
Of course in a perfect storm situation we could win the division but all things being equal then a similar finish to last season is on the cards.
We're supporters, I get that, but blind optimism is futile and not for me and right NOW KZ is not a £10m player, Colin is not Pep Guardiola and we're unlikely to make the play offs.
And my best selling book 'The Sheer Power Of Positive Thinking' is available in all good book stores.
Re: Brighton after Zohore
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Arfur Europe
And my best selling book 'The Sheer Power Of Positive Thinking' is available in all good book stores.
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Re: Brighton after Zohore
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Arfur Europe
And my best selling book 'The Sheer Power Of Positive Thinking' is available in all good book stores.
You know there's no point in being alive as we're all just going to die anyway...
Re: Brighton after Zohore
Looks like Brighton have just loaned a forward in brown, season long loan so I guess Zahore bid is off the table
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40714453
Re: Brighton after Zohore
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Arfur Europe
And my best selling book 'The Sheer Power Of Positive Thinking' is available in all good book stores.
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