Re: Education continuing to fail under Labour control in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
I'm not sure why people want to compare it with any other country, the point was, education standards are failing in Wales and that's concerning, I have no idea why the usual suspects think that spending vast amounts of money are the answer to teaching children to add up and take away, reed and rite and actually turn up for school.
Apparently you have deliberately missed the obvious point that was made.
The point is - how can Wales be compared with England? Overall they almost certainly very different, socially, economically, demographics, communications, average earnings, health, wealth etc etc etc..
Now if you compared Wales with a combined area of 'similar-to-Wales' counties - say Derbyshire, Yorkshire, Tyne & Wear and Cumbria, you might get a very different set of results. We might not look so 'behind' after all.
Now lets compare both of those with say : Berkshire, Hertfordshire, Sussex and Surrey...
Again, I don't want to defend poor Education standards - not in Wales, nor anywhere!
It is frustrating to see yet more Wales bashing after employing the usual wholly inaccurate 'comparison' model.
Re: Education continuing to fail under Labour control in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Pepper
Apparently you have deliberately missed the obvious point that was made.
The point is - how can Wales be compared with England? Overall they almost certainly very different, socially, economically, demographics, communications, average earnings, health, wealth etc etc etc..
Now if you compared Wales with a combined area of 'similar-to-Wales' counties - say Derbyshire, Yorkshire, Tyne & Wear and Cumbria, you might get a very different set of results. We might not look so 'behind' after all.
Now lets compare both of those with say : Berkshire, Hertfordshire, Sussex and Surrey...
Again, I don't want to defend poor Education standards - not in Wales, nor anywhere!
It is frustrating to see yet more Wales bashing after employing the usual wholly inaccurate 'comparison' model.
Why is wales in such a state that it ca't be compared to those areas? Who's run it into the ground?
Re: Education continuing to fail under Labour control in Wales
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
Why is wales in such a state that it ca't be compared to those areas? Who's run it into the ground?
Was Wales previously very high performing educationally?
Re: Education continuing to fail under Labour control in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Pepper
Apparently you have deliberately missed the obvious point that was made.
The point is - how can Wales be compared with England? Overall they almost certainly very different, socially, economically, demographics, communications, average earnings, health, wealth etc etc etc..
Now if you compared Wales with a combined area of 'similar-to-Wales' counties - say Derbyshire, Yorkshire, Tyne & Wear and Cumbria, you might get a very different set of results. We might not look so 'behind' after all.
Now lets compare both of those with say : Berkshire, Hertfordshire, Sussex and Surrey...
Again, I don't want to defend poor Education standards - not in Wales, nor anywhere!
It is frustrating to see yet more Wales bashing after employing the usual wholly inaccurate 'comparison' model.
Selective interpretation, I'm not Wales bashing as you put it, but pointing out that, education standards in Wales continual to fall under Welsh Labour, if you are happy with it, then fair doos, Devolution in Wales took place in 1997-1999 and the Welsh assembly has been in Labour control since, the stock response, repeated by their stooges on here is "Blame Westminster and cash starvation" they did try a little swerve last year by putting a Lib Dem in charge of education, Whatever the Labour boyos do, it isn't benefitting the children but the eligible voters still do what their fathers told them, and that is to vote for a turd with a red rosette, I'm a traditional labour voter but Welsh Labour isn't good enough and although would probably go with Dustbin at the next election, would like to see a change of government in Wales, you never know, Wales might prosper because of it and education standards may rise.
Re: Education continuing to fail under Labour control in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
Selective interpretation, I'm not Wales bashing as you put it, but pointing out that, education standards in Wales continual to fall under Welsh Labour, if you are happy with it, then fair doos, Devolution in Wales took place in 1997-1999 and the Welsh assembly has been in Labour control since, the stock response, repeated by their stooges on here is "Blame Westminster and cash starvation" they did try a little swerve last year by putting a Lib Dem in charge of education, Whatever the Labour boyos do, it isn't benefitting the children but the eligible voters still do what their fathers told them, and that is to vote for a turd with a red rosette, I'm a traditional labour voter but Welsh Labour isn't good enough and although would probably go with Dustbin at the next election, would like to see a change of government in Wales, you never know, Wales might prosper because of it and education standards may rise.
Seriously, I don't know how you got to any of ^^ that as a reply to what I posted!
I have not said that I think it is good enough.
I questioned the measuring system.
Re: Education continuing to fail under Labour control in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
I'm not sure why people want to compare it with any other country, the point was, education standards are failing in Wales and that's concerning, I have no idea why the usual suspects think that spending vast amounts of money are the answer to teaching children to add up and take away, reed and rite and actually turn up for school.
I sit near to the team who deal with pupil attendance and in the last few years the approach has changed from working with families to improve attendance to fine fine fine and take them to court if they don't pay - all due to cuts in funding/capacity, the team simply don't have time to do a proper job. I live in England but I would imagine the same can be said of Welsh local authorities since the government drastically reduced funding in this area. This will only get worse with academisation.
There is a massive (and seemingly unrecognised if this thread is anything to go by) correlation between family wealth and pupil attainment. Look at a map of the UK and in general the poorer areas are the lower achieving. There is an even bigger correlation between parents level of education and pupil attainment, effectively what we have is a never ending cycle - until we find some way enhancing the prospects of poorer children.
edit/ I lost my way a bit there. The point I was making is that funding does matter! Resources cost money, motivated staff cost money, school buildings that aren't falling apart cost money, services to catch those who aren't achieving their potential cost money.
Re: Education continuing to fail under Labour control in Wales
As I see it :
Funding is critical ,however its how that fund is managed ,deployed and performanced manager thereafter.
The teaching of Welsh alongside English should show as a positive performance when matched against a single region/country.
The original point is about falling standards ,not just benchmarking , so are we are talking about standards falling from a single point in our history or before devolution .
Like it lump it NHS and Schools in Wales have had its critics,they have been managed by the same political party over that tenership.
I'm no aTory , just wanting the best for my country , so by calling the party I support to account is correct in my view.
Re: Education continuing to fail under Labour control in Wales
Re: Education continuing to fail under Labour control in Wales
It was interesting to understand the exceesses that the Welsh Goverment applied to thier corporate purchasing cards 7.5 million since 2011.
Last year part of the above figure amounted to 1.8 million for luxury items such as top end dining, flights ,yachting whiskey, uber taxis, limo's.
If one cannot restrain these manageable expenses where does that leave the broader management of services .
I guess someone was monitoring the payment to the lender ?
Re: Education continuing to fail under Labour control in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Mambo
Labour Fat Cats gone berserk with the cheque book again perhaps ?
18 years in Govt - they act like they are untouchable - chickens need to come home to roost in Cardiff Bay as soon as possible. Not that it would change much.
Those chickens would be granted asylum and housed in penthouses for free overlooking the bay.