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19-09-17, 12:05
Dr Lecter

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

What's your point?

How many people/clubshave been reprimanded for using the sheep insult towards us?
19-09-17, 12:06
Croesy Blue

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

How many people/clubshave been reprimanded for using the sheep insult towards us?

Wasn't a bolton fan arrested after someone reported him for saying it 2 seasons ago?
19-09-17, 12:10
Dr Lecter

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

And you've deemed it unoffensive on his behalf.

To me it does seem pretty harmless but surely you can see their point that it's another song about a black player based on a black stereotype which doesn't happen to white players. Kick it out are trying to make it an even environment for all players and must think this undermines that point.

Just because it isn't offensive or you don't find it offensive doesn't mean they don't have a point, the guy in charge of the Man United supporters club even backed Kick it out up on the issue.

I'm not deeming it unoffensive on his behalf though am I?

I'm simply stating my personal opinion. I'm not stating is as fact, whereas the people gettting offended on Lukak's behalf are assuming he's offended by it. As far as I know, Lukaku hasn't complained or even commented on it (which he could easily do, as Morata did last week) so perhaps we should take into account the feelings of the only person that matters here (i.e. lukaku).

Just because somebody gets offended by something doesn't mean that their viewpoint is the only one.
19-09-17, 12:11
Dr Lecter

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Wasn't a bolton fan arrested after someone reported him for saying it 2 seasons ago?

So (maybe) one incident?

Point proven.
19-09-17, 12:14
Croesy Blue

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

I'm not deeming it unoffensive on his behalf though am I?

I'm simply stating my personal opinion. I'm not stating is as fact, whereas the people gettting offended on Lukak's behalf are assuming he's offended by it. As far as I know, Lukaku hasn't complained or even commented on it (which he could easily do, as Morata did last week) so perhaps we should take into account the feelings of the only person that matters here (i.e. lukaku).

Just because somebody gets offended by something doesn't mean that their viewpoint is the only one.

Is it just Lukaku's opinion that matters though? Surely this sort of thing is bigger than that?

Again how many songs are their about white stereotypes in football? Even if it isn't offensive as such surely you can see the point of Kick it out that they believe that songs that are based on someones race are holding back the progression of equality in sport?
19-09-17, 12:16
Dr Lecter

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Is it just Lukaku's opinion that matters though? Surely this sort of thing is bigger than that?

Again how many songs are their about white stereotypes in football? Even if it isn't offensive as such surely you can see the point of Kick it out that they believe that songs that are based on someones race are holding back the progression of equality in sport?

Absolutely.

Which is why making an issue of this makes a mockery of dealing with the real racism that still exists.

Do you think the Man U fans who sing this are being racist, offensive or insulting to Lukaku?

Deal with the real issues and see this for what it is.
19-09-17, 12:18
Dr Lecter

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Is it just Lukaku's opinion that matters though? Surely this sort of thing is bigger than that?

Again how many songs are their about white stereotypes in football? Even if it isn't offensive as such surely you can see the point of Kick it out that they believe that songs that are based on someones race are holding back the progression of equality in sport?

Just out of interest, how many songs are there about black stereotypes in football being sung today?
19-09-17, 12:29
Croesy Blue

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

Just out of interest, how many songs are there about black stereotypes in football being sung today?

Adebeyor
Sol Campbell
Lukaku
Ian Wright
Evra

Are all still sung today, I can't say I know the exhaustive list like. Football fans are generally good these terms in terms of racism and homophobia but it doesn't mean it's ok though.
19-09-17, 12:33
Steve R

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

Not as racist as saying Welsh people shag sheep.

Two wongs don't make a right.
19-09-17, 12:46
Rjk

Re: More people being offended.

I think people struggle to see this as racist because they see racism as being intentionally unkind or derogatory.
With the Lukaku chant, many people see that as a compliment, so they don't see that as being racist and they certainly wouldn't consider themselves as racist. These are nice people, who just happen to have lived their entire lives within a culture where it is the norm to portray black people as animalistic powerful and Brutish and white people as intelligent and civilized.
It is tings like this that probably contribute to the ridiculously small numbers of black managers in the game.
19-09-17, 12:56
The Bloop

Re: More people being offended.

Are we not allowed to sing about Nathan Blake anymore? Not because he's black but because we might offend any non-black robbers of fruit machines?
19-09-17, 13:12
Steve R

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

Are we not allowed to sing about Nathan Blake anymore? Not because he's black but because we might offend any non-black robbers of fruit machines?

Or even generous robbers of fruit machines. :shrug:
19-09-17, 13:14
LordKenwyne

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I think people struggle to see this as racist because they see racism as being intentionally unkind or derogatory.
With the Lukaku chant, many people see that as a compliment, so they don't see that as being racist and they certainly wouldn't consider themselves as racist. These are nice people, who just happen to have lived their entire lives within a culture where it is the norm to portray black people as animalistic powerful and Brutish and white people as intelligent and civilized.
It is tings like this that probably contribute to the ridiculously small numbers of black managers in the game.

That rapidly has changed/is changing.

Look at the music scene kids grow up listening to now

"British and white people as intelligent and civilized"

I would ask how white British people have been portrayed in the media over the past year.

Working class people being abused continously over the brexit vote.

The ST Georges flag abused so much it can't even be flown without cries of nationalism

It is a fact abuse of any kind aimed at black or non whites has a separate set of rules to the rest. It is taken far more seriously
19-09-17, 13:23
lardy

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I think people struggle to see this as racist because they see racism as being intentionally unkind or derogatory.
With the Lukaku chant, many people see that as a compliment, so they don't see that as being racist and they certainly wouldn't consider themselves as racist. These are nice people, who just happen to have lived their entire lives within a culture where it is the norm to portray black people as animalistic powerful and Brutish and white people as intelligent and civilized.
It is tings like this that probably contribute to the ridiculously small numbers of black managers in the game.

If this is deliberate, I'm tipping my hat to you.
19-09-17, 13:32
lardy

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

Any stereotype is bad?

How so?

If I was a black man and it was assumed that I had a massive nob then I'd say that's pretty good.

If you're a black guy with an average size but shag a girl who's expecting a whopper and goes round telling everyone "oh my god he's tiny" then you might not like the stereotype so much.
19-09-17, 13:33
Steve R

Re: More people being offended.

A guy is walking past a driveway and sees a Jamaican putting up a sign that reads "Boat for sale." The man looks but all he can see is a car and a caravan so he says to the Jamaican, 'On that sign it says Boat for Sale' but all I can see is a car and a caravan?'
The Jamaican replies, 'Yes, and dey boat for sale!'
:getscoat:
19-09-17, 13:36
Charlie

Re: More people being offended.

He may be hung like a baby carrot and this song gives him a confidence boost on the pitch.
Kick it out could ruin his career..
19-09-17, 13:58
TH63

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Charlie

He may be hung like a baby carrot and this song gives him a confidence boost on the pitch.
Kick it out could ruin his career..

On the other hand, the Stick it out campaign will be happy with this
19-09-17, 14:02
Mrs Steve R

Re: More people being offended.

Thought I'd throw this in to the mix, is cotton racist?

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...17&oe=5A40CB24
19-09-17, 14:03
I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...yrics-11198902

Would it be offensive if he was white? :sherlock:

i really do not see what is so offensive
and the fact its chanted to a stone roses tune makes it a classic even if it is man utd lol
19-09-17, 14:07
I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Wasn't a bolton fan arrested after someone reported him for saying it 2 seasons ago?

aww facking ell what kind of Richard head would report someone for that ?
so in that respect 1000s of us could be arrested for our little English dittys
madness just madness brother
19-09-17, 14:11
Dr Lecter

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Adebeyor
Sol Campbell
Lukaku
Ian Wright
Evra

Are all still sung today, I can't say I know the exhaustive list like. Football fans are generally good these terms in terms of racism and homophobia but it doesn't mean it's ok though.

I thought the sol Campbell and Ian wright chants were related to homosexuality, rather than the colour of their skin?

The Lukaku one isn't racist (in my opinion)

The evra one was only sung by scousers who accused him of lying re: the Suarez incident.

So that just leaves Adebayor?

Hardly an epidemic is it?
19-09-17, 14:12
I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by LordKenwyne

With a greater focus on defending, Pochettino needed a defender in the more literal sense, having relied previously on the technical talents of Jan Vertonghen, Toby Alderweireld and Eric Dier. Sanchez appears to be that destroyer, and the early signs suggest he is happy to do the dirty work.

The 21-year-old has not made a tackle in his two games, according to the Opta stats at least, but as Sir Alex Ferguson found out with Jaap Stam, it is dangerous to read too much into a defender’s tackling numbers.

This is clearly a crap writer clutching at straws for an article but racist? Not for me.

Look for the definitions of stereotyping and racism.

This is stereotyping, not:

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Because people have thrown around the term so much you've forgotten the actual meaning.

common sense at last :thumbup:
19-09-17, 14:12
Dr Lecter

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by lardy

If this is deliberate, I'm tipping my hat to you.

:hehe:
19-09-17, 14:13
Dr Lecter

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by lardy

If you're a black guy with an average size but shag a girl who's expecting a whopper and goes round telling everyone "oh my god he's tiny" then you might not like the stereotype so much.

But if I'm black then I'll have a whopper anyway.

And even if I've only got a tiny white man willy then my reputation will have got me my fair share of fanny.

It's a win win.
19-09-17, 14:20
Feedback

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

You don't think saying an African guys' job is Elephant Washer is even slightly racist?

No
19-09-17, 14:23
Colonel Cærdiffi

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by TISS

No

^THIS

When I picture an Elephant washer, I am thinking of an Indian midget with a long broom.
19-09-17, 14:26
Dr Lecter

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

^THIS

When I picture an Elephant washer, I am thinking of an Indian midget with a long broom.

What if it's an African elephant though?
19-09-17, 14:54
Charlie

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

What if it's an African elephant though?

Fekin lil injun imigants steeelin jobbs.
19-09-17, 15:46
Blue in the Face

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

What if it's an African elephant though?

Lukaku is from Belgium you racist
19-09-17, 16:47
Feedback

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

What if it's an African elephant though?

It's a long broom
19-09-17, 16:56
James fox

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I don't find it offensive but I suppose I'm not in a position to judge that being a white man who is a cock.

Very True.
Not a touch of Irony in sight.
Well Done.
19-09-17, 17:06
surge

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

It dates from a time when black people were commonly portrayed as being more bestial or animalistic than white people, and it often goes hand in hand with other negative stereotypes like aggression or intelligence.
There were (probably entirely unintentional) undertones of this in the summer with the Lukaku Vs Morata debate, with Lukaku being described as powerful and Morata as intelligent.

In a lot of cases black men probably don't mind this particular stereotype, but it originated from justification to treat black people as second class citizens.

Morata has better movement in between the lines to find space whereas lukaku's game is more about a physical presence. It doesn't have to have racist undertones and using one characteristic to say this is what a player is is lazy football analysis rather than discriminatory.
19-09-17, 17:23
Blue in the Face

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Thought I'd throw this in to the mix, is cotton racist?

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...17&oe=5A40CB24

Lolz. How low can I.Q. and virtue signalling get?

Some people need to be wrapped in cotton wool.

Then chucked in a gulag.
19-09-17, 18:08
Mrs Steve R

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Blue in the Face

Lolz. How low can I.Q. and virtue signalling get?

Some people need to be wrapped in cotton wool.

Then chucked in a gulag.

:yikes:
19-09-17, 18:43
Organ Morgan.

Re: More people being offended.

What gets me about our resident (particularly BlueWales & Croesy Blue) racism bores is their breathtaking double standards. Whenever they perceive that someone non-white and/or non-Christian has been slighted they're very quick off the mark with the R word. I'm unsure whether they believe it's impossible for white people to be victims of racism, or they do know and they simply don't care. Whichever if it is their abject hypocrisy ensures they never rush to be offended on behalf of them.
19-09-17, 19:26
Charlie

Re: More people being offended.

The utter bastards..

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I genuinely thought this was a spoof site at first.
I'm still not 100% sure...
19-09-17, 19:35
Blue in the Face

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

:yikes:

Very telling that in that moron's post they make the statement "a little sensitivity goes a long way". But perhaps a long way in the wrong direction?

Jewish stand-up comedian Lenny Bruce seemed to think so. Here's him making the point via Dustin Hoffman's portrayal in the brilliant film "Lenny", directed by Bob Fosse. I'm showing for the movie because I think it's executed even better than the original moment. Don't think this film could be made in this era.

WARNING: Not for the easily triggered / offended (on other people's behalf) types. Contains "offensive" language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOnk...has_verified=1
19-09-17, 19:57
Rjk

Re: More people being offended.

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Originally Posted by surge

Morata has better movement in between the lines to find space whereas lukaku's game is more about a physical presence. It doesn't have to have racist undertones and using one characteristic to say this is what a player is is lazy football analysis rather than discriminatory.

How about "Lukaku is not intelligent enough to play for Chelsea". As a prominent former player rather clumsily put it recently
19-09-17, 20:00
AlwaysAway2

Re: More people being offended.

It's a mildly funny chant.
if they outlaw it the fans will just come up with another one probably worse.

It's mindless fans having a laugh and should be seen as such.

He's got a big C@@@
He's got a big C@@@
Roma Luka
He's got a big C@@@

It will probably be sung all over the country this weekend.

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