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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
I think you missed the point. It wasn't about people being concerned but certain posters thinking that it was about dumping on the Welsh, a common theme on here (as and as if other regions of the UK aren't deprived in various ways).
"How convenient for the government. They've got that shit hole attached to england where no one will complain to dump their rubbish."
Aah point taken. See what you saying. Still a good idea to run it along the West way. Sorry Genie. I'm traditional like that. Good luck mate.
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
I'd be happy with dumping it 40 or so miles west, tbh.
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
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Originally Posted by
ccfc_is_my_life
I'd be happy with dumping it 40 or so miles west, tbh.
Can't we just do half n half like with chips n rice? Half down Somerset n Devon coats other half Ccrca Swansea miss Pembrokeshire cause its nice n maybe join back up again around Lundy and make its way to America
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
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Originally Posted by
headlight
The problem, as I see it, ignoring anything to do with Neil McEvoy et al, is that EDF have no idea how radioactive this mud actually is, as they have only had the top 5cms tested.
Deeper it could still be within limits or it could be massively over accepted limits, no one knows.
It seems that no further testing is going to be taking place & the stakeholders have agreed to have this 300,000 tonnes dumped just off Cardiff.
If it transpires later that beneath this top 5cms the mud is indeed above legal radiation limits then it will be to late as 300,000 tonnes of it will have already been dumped off Cardiff & will be polluting The Bristol Channel with no way of any remedial action being taken as it will have been dispersed over a massive area as The Bristol Channel has the second biggest tidal range in the world.
Hence my comment about the dredged material being deposited in such a way that it would be scoured westwards on the ebb tide if it deposited in the right place in the channel. (By the way, it now seems that it's not only the Bay of Fundy that has a greater tidal range but a number of other locations, all in Canada, have a greater tidal range too.)
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
I think you missed the point. It wasn't about people being concerned but certain posters thinking that it was about dumping on the Welsh, a common theme on here (as and as if other regions of the UK aren't deprived in various ways).
"How convenient for the government. They've got that shit hole attached to england where no one will complain to dump their rubbish."
I think I shot from the hip a bit with my first comment...
It just annoyed me with the recent stories of U turns from the government.
Would you trust a Tory government to cover the shortfall from the loss of EU funding?.
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
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Originally Posted by
LordKenwyne
I think I shot from the hip a bit with my first comment...
It just annoyed me with the recent stories of U turns from the government.
Would you trust a Tory government to cover the shortfall from the loss of EU funding?.
U-turns happen with all political parties as they often promise to deliver what is unaffordable or what becomes unaffordable.
However, I don't really partake in party political comments on here as people tend to settle into one camp or another and it all becomes a bit Punch and Judy and/or predictable. Dredging is the new politics :-)
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
U-turns happen with all political parties as they often promise to deliver what is unaffordable or what becomes unaffordable.
However, I don't really partake in party political comments on here as people tend to settle into one camp or another and it all becomes a bit Punch and Judy and/or predictable. Dredging is the new politics :-)
https://actions.sumofus.org/a/edf-to...1.11&source=fb
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
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Originally Posted by
severncity
McEvoy will probably join a new "centre right" Welsh nationalist party. The new party is likely to be formed following a meeting in Aberystwyth which will take place on 4th November. It has been called by Royston Jones, aka Jacothenorth, who I believe is a long-term admirer of McEvoy. McEvoy's lawyer will be in attendance. McEvoy himself has been completely silent on the matter. He will be attending Plaid's conference in Caernarfon next weekend, probably hoping for a welcome back into the fold. That is very unlikely to happen so he will probably jump ship within the next month - if he isn't expelled from Plaid first.
http://jacothenorth.net/blog/new-party/
You were half right, I'd imagine this lot will become a new party be the end of the year: https://www.propel.wales/ McEvoy will be out of Plaid soon and one of the other speakers, Gwyn Hopkins, was suspended by Plaid
In terms of the party's ideology, who knows? I did a week's work experience with McEvoy and nothing from him or his staff indicated right wing tendencies, he even gave me a list of books he suggested me to read with included Homage to Catalonia & works by Marx & Engels
Saying that, the bloke's an opportunist, so who knows?
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
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Originally Posted by
City123
You were half right, I'd imagine this lot will become a new party be the end of the year:
https://www.propel.wales/ McEvoy will be out of Plaid soon and one of the other speakers, Gwyn Hopkins, was suspended by Plaid
In terms of the party's ideology, who knows? I did a week's work experience with McEvoy and nothing from him or his staff indicated right wing tendencies, he even gave me a list of books he suggested me to read with included Homage to Catalonia & works by Marx & Engels
Saying that, the bloke's an opportunist, so who knows?
A week? I did twelve years. The guy is an absolute narcissist.
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
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Originally Posted by
Forest Green Bluebird
Look on the brightside. Cardiff anglers will have their fish pre-cooked.
With the chance of some very large and very weird looking catches
Some with legs maybe
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
PROBABLY!!!!! IMO The Hinckley project is a massive mistake although it will sustain 1,000's of well paid jobs, far too much risk with Nuclear Power, going down the path that the government has, at the very least it should not have involved the Chinese and French. I note other countries are returning to coal fired power stations, The UK has plenty of the stuff and a workforce capable of mining it, I would like to see the UK free of Nuclear anything and leading the world with energy solutions based on the natural resources that we have, Water & Wind a lot of it, energy policy is being shaped by short term business (profit for the few) and not for future generations, 3 mile island, chenobyl, fukushima, how long before we get the real biggy ?
I work in Nuclear power and people's reactions like this always seem a bit bizzare to me. The Uk currently has 15 working nuclear power reactors, one right next to where HPC is being built. The safety standards in this country are unbelievabley tight and there is no way they would be allowed to operate if they were unsafe.
Chernobyl was a completely different reactor and they turned off all the safety functions and the positive coefficient of reactivity meant it didn't just shut itself down like ours would.
Fukishima other than the the operators who were killed by the wave on site there hasn't been one nuclear related death due to the crisis management being so good. It should be noted as well that the sea wall being too short and the generators being in the basement was pointed out as an issue multiple times but due to the how Japanese Hierachies are they never followed up on it.
It seems bizarre you are worried about nuclear waste but want a return to coal power stations which produce a much more radioactive biproduct which cannot be reprocessed unlike uranium. That's ignoring how damaging to the enviroment burning coal every day it.
There have been 100s of Nuclear power plants operated in the UK, France, Germany and Scandanavia with zero issues ever. The only reason other countries have gone back to coal is it is an easy win for any government due to the scewed public perception of how dangerous nuclear power is. It's viewed in the same way as plane crashes because of how destructive the odd crash every 10s of years can be people only look at the consequences and not how unlikely something going wrong actually is.
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
I work in Nuclear power and people's reactions like this always seem a bit bizzare to me. The Uk currently has 15 working nuclear power reactors, one right next to where HPC is being built. The safety standards in this country are unbelievabley tight and there is no way they would be allowed to operate if they were unsafe.
Chernobyl was a completely different reactor and they turned off all the safety functions and the positive coefficient of reactivity meant it didn't just shut itself down like ours would.
Fukishima other than the the operators who were killed by the wave on site there hasn't been one nuclear related death due to the crisis management being so good. It should be noted as well that the sea wall being too short and the generators being in the basement was pointed out as an issue multiple times but due to the how Japanese Hierachies are they never followed up on it.
It seems bizarre you are worried about nuclear waste but want a return to coal power stations which produce a much more radioactive biproduct which cannot be reprocessed unlike uranium. That's ignoring how damaging to the enviroment burning coal every day it.
There have been 100s of Nuclear power plants operated in the UK, France, Germany and Scandanavia with zero issues ever. The only reason other countries have gone back to coal is it is an easy win for any government due to the scewed public perception of how dangerous nuclear power is. It's viewed in the same way as plane crashes because of how destructive the odd crash every 10s of years can be people only look at the consequences and not how unlikely something going wrong actually is.
Sod coal, sod nuclear. Both (not so slowly) killing the planet. Wales could be a world leader in renewables. But no, the UK Government wants to stick to their market obsessed ideology to the extent that the Chinese and French are given cast iron contracts to print money if they build new nuclear plants.
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
I work in Nuclear power and people's reactions like this always seem a bit bizzare to me. The Uk currently has 15 working nuclear power reactors, one right next to where HPC is being built. The safety standards in this country are unbelievabley tight and there is no way they would be allowed to operate if they were unsafe.
Chernobyl was a completely different reactor and they turned off all the safety functions and the positive coefficient of reactivity meant it didn't just shut itself down like ours would.
Fukishima other than the the operators who were killed by the wave on site there hasn't been one nuclear related death due to the crisis management being so good. It should be noted as well that the sea wall being too short and the generators being in the basement was pointed out as an issue multiple times but due to the how Japanese Hierachies are they never followed up on it.
It seems bizarre you are worried about nuclear waste but want a return to coal power stations which produce a much more radioactive biproduct which cannot be reprocessed unlike uranium. That's ignoring how damaging to the enviroment burning coal every day it.
There have been 100s of Nuclear power plants operated in the UK, France, Germany and Scandanavia with zero issues ever. The only reason other countries have gone back to coal is it is an easy win for any government due to the scewed public perception of how dangerous nuclear power is. It's viewed in the same way as plane crashes because of how destructive the odd crash every 10s of years can be people only look at the consequences and not how unlikely something going wrong actually is.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7226991.html
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...clear-accident
:sherlock:
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
Sorry yeah I forgot about windscale but even then it wasn’t the disaster people make out even though it was an old out of date site.
Thé new plants especially are built to such a high safety standard. Nuclear coupled with renewables are the future. Much cleaner than fossil fuels especially now a lot of the waste can be repurposed.
It’s a shame they all aren’t being built by British companies but unless we want rolling blackouts they’re necessary and will create 1000s if jobs too.
I am a bit biased but I’ve been to 10s of sites around the world and the level of security and safety around them these days is crazy. Look at the reaction to Fukushima, incredible that no one else was killed.
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
Why are people thinking this story is just McEvoy scaremongering? I make it there are quotes from four other people in it, as well as one from a spokesman from EDF.
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Re: More than 300,000 tonnes of “radioactive” mud to be dumped a mile from cardiff
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Originally Posted by
severncity
A week? I did twelve years. The guy is an absolute narcissist.
I wouldn't wish that fate on anyone