So basically Tomlin would have been ok if he'd literally tackled the keeper a millisecond after kicking it, wouldn't he?
PS I'm paying homage to the irritating things thread btw
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So basically Tomlin would have been ok if he'd literally tackled the keeper a millisecond after kicking it, wouldn't he?
PS I'm paying homage to the irritating things thread btw
Come on Bob - you of all aficionados of our beloved sport should appreciate this particular rule of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I am really surprised by the amount of posters who claim that no rule has been broken.
The Millwall keeper intended to kick the ball, regardless of any any exaggerated distance he threw it forward.
He certainly did not release the ball forward in order for it to bounce.
If this was the case then the ball would have been in play and a challenge could have been made.
The ball was released with the sole intention to lump it forward.
Apart from Tomlin, how come that Warnock or any of the players did not complain about the decision?
No, technically that would have been a dangerous high tackle. The law says that the goalkeeper must be allowed to release the ball without hindrance.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
Specsavers?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
As a point of law, I would argue the fact the ball was released from his hand and in mid air, would suggest he hd completed the release of it , and was not in the process of releasing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
But as soon as it's left his boot he has released it, surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird
It's part of the act of kicking the ball from hand ergo he had not at that point released it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fine Lines
I'm not saying that the goal should have been allowed - that was never going to happen because of the problems it would create as a precedent, but the reasons given for why it was disallowed are ludicrous, no free kick would have been given if the same challenge had taken place between two outfield players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird
Yes but until the keeper’s kicked the ball or let it bounce he’s deemed to be in control of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fine Lines
A free kick would have been given prior due to one of those outfield players having handled the ball with both hands tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
And yes, a free kick could have been given for ball in air, two outfield players if the ref deemed high foot / dangerous play.
I agree it shouldn’t have stood. They haven’t been for years. However I feel the wording of the law is incorrect. I’m just playing devils advicate here. Is an outfield player Deemed in control of the ball when he isn’t in contact with it also ? Is there a law that states he is in control of it until it’s kicked or bounced.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
Apolgees of I’m coming across as argumentive , I really don’t mean to be. Just it’s in my nature to argue a point of law.
Yes, outfield players mostly are not physically touching the ball when they have it under their control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fine Lines
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fine Lines
“A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball when:
*the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds accidentally from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
*holding the ball in the outstretched open hand.
*bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air”
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-...and-misconduct
So Eto should have been penalised thenQuote:
Originally Posted by TH63
Fair enough. I retract my previous statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
Assuming you just found that TH?Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
Yes he should have.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Depends - had the rules been beefed up after that incident?Quote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
Unless he plays for Cardiff.....Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
Amazes me how many people either just dont know the rules or their blue tinted glasses are so bad they cant see why we have anything given against us.
Well as some people didn’t want to just take my word for it (fair enough) I had to look it up yeah, but I had heard about this rule previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
I was just trying to be a smart alec. :getscoat:Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
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Originally Posted by TH63
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Originally Posted by TH63
Ah yeah, see what you mean. the first quote refers to the case of the goalie throws it to kick it but either mis-kicks/misses altogether/just doesn't kick it very far and it hits the goround.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
I think we can all agree it's a a rule that may need to be looked at
I disagree it needs to be looked at.
Look at the reaction of our players. Not a single one protested. Several were yelling at Tomlin to get back and stop arguing.
Tomlin probably knew it himself but tried to chance it.
Not at all. Who goes to a game hoping to see a player nick it off the keeper when he's kicking? It's playground stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
I remember Chopra used to hang around by the keeper and it annoyed me because it just left him 30 yards offside. Totally pointless endeavour for something that might come off once in a player's career.
Agree - he was just too lazy to retreat