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Originally Posted by jon1959
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Originally Posted by jon1959
Sorry mate, but that's where you're wrong. Sunni and Shia muslims have been killing each other for a while now, as has been happening for a while in other religions. This story also immediately sprang to mind when I read your comment:Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ctarian-attack
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You are doing it again. Do I need to have tunnelled out of Auschwitz to criticise the British Government? We all pay for the things they choose to do on our behalf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokyo Blue
A true religious person wouldn't kill someone, a true Muslim wouldn't kill someone during worship. It's hate masked as religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokyo Blue
Exactly the same as Catholics and protestants mutilating each other in Ireland, if they were truly religious they wouldn't be killing.
I don't disagree with caring more about stuff happening closer to home. But caring more is a world away from "if they want to blow each other up that's their prerogative"Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Why not? Their fighting a religious war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Same as in Northern Ireland when they were killing each other.
I didn't say it wasn't about religion though.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
What does this even mean? It feels like you have been brainwashed into thinking religion is automatically a power for good. Further up the thread you talk about not allowing us to be divided - religion has done this for hundreds of years. People's ability to be good and live a good life comes from within and not some sodding book or sermon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Because the innocent 300 people killed weren't fighting a religious war. They were human beings murdered while going about their day.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
You said it “shows they aren’t doing it based on religion”Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
It was
How do you know they were all innocent and not guilty of terrorism against other Muslims? Could have been a revenge attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Unfortunately innocent people get killed in religious wars.
And none of us are surprised, I’m saddened but not surprisedQuote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
So the people who ran out of the mosque straight into machine gun fire were fighting a religious war?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I don't agree with being religious at all. I've not set foot in a church in my life. But if these scum bags are muslims they wouldn't be blowing people up as it would be against the religious teachings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Thé workd would be a better place without any religion. It doesn't mean we have to dump everyone following a specific religion in with the minority of scum bags who use it as an excuse to murder.
So you’ve never set foot in a church but you’re an expert in the teachings of Islam?Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
And we aren't allowed to think that's sad? Why does it have to be painted as moral outrage?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I've studied a bit about religions, I'm not saying I'm an expert.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Something which I haven't done but I am tired of people sub consciously elevating religion in these discussions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Thank you, thank you ;) So, the UK bombing Syria is closer to home and more newsworthy therefore that's why they decided to protest against it? They only care about Syrians being killed if it's [B]our[B] country killing them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
As I said, overnight humanitarians with inconsistent beliefs.
I didn’t say you couldn’t think it was sad did I?Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
But then those of us who are not really bothered shouldn’t be made to feel guilty just because we are concerned for terrorism in our own country.
That’s the topic of the thread isn’t it?
So we presume guilt now do we?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
LiarQuote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
It was a platform argument :hehe: One woman twisted her stockings, and a bloke got a stitch from running away. As soon as it became apparent that the news was a non-event (and it appeared that way within 15 minutes of it first breaking), it became an hour of people talking about nothing. I come here for that sort of stuff. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Well you presumed they were innocentQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I can accept that bad things happen in the world and I can't do anything to control them. When my taxes pay for it, I feel the need to say something. Is this not acceptable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokyo Blue
We've gone way off point anyway, I'm not clever enough to discuss the nuances of every terrorist attack. But I think it's fair enough to agree with the OP that it's weird people are quick enough to change their Facebook photo when it's an attack in Paris and New York but not give a shit when it's in Egypt. While also thinking its normal to be a bit more concerned about attacks that are happening in the western world.
I also think it's normal to not want people to completely group every Muslim together because there is a large minority of scum bags who want to kill people.
I think that is still what we do isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
In Utopia maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
A true religious person can kill. Being religious doesn't mean you have a moral compass, it means you are more liable to be indoctrinated and turned into a weapon. Religion kills, as we saw in Egypt yesterday. The start of these clashes all come down to people disagreeing with other people over which fictional character is best. At least, if there was a war started on whether Jeff Eckhardt was a better defender or striker it would be over something substantial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Imagine having such a small world view that you think anyone doing anything different to you is a lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Sorry to disagree again (even though we've agreed separately in other posts on this thread) but people shouldn't cry "fascism" at every government decision that they don't like. When on earth did I imply that they shouldn't be able criticise the government? Calling them "fascists" is cheap and pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Do you also not see the irony in people being allowed to demonstrate freely and yet they have the audacity to call the government "fascists"? Please.....
You dont agree with religion, you’re not religious at all, you’ve never set foot in a church, yet you’ve studied religion 😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Pull the other one Lily
These are two separate issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokyo Blue
- People who exaggerate (in your opinion).
- People who only criticise when it is their own government.
I have given a rational reason for the 2nd one. The first is just human nature, is it not?
Agreed. It wouldn’t surprise me if the TV news shows carried one of those caveats like they have in other shows/filmsQuote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
“no white people were hurt in the process of making this film”
Phew! That’s ok, just brown people killing other brown people, nothing to see here. As you were
Here is the thing though, they lived along side each other fairly happily under the big bad Dictator Sadam Hussain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokyo Blue
We came along and rid the world of that nasty man and everyone's lot was so improved.
I am not saying it was perfect under Saddam but I think it was better than it is now.
It may well have happened naturally , I would be far happier if our country had not had a hand in opening the can .
I worked in Iraq back in 1983 so I have first hand experience of the place, as I said it wasnt perfect.
The question about the news is an easy one to answer.
Brown faces.
Brown faces are not really news here.
We must have been tying our opinions at the same time. Great minds....Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
In my opinion? Don't you think it's an exaggeration to call the UK government fascists and take the liberties that we have for granted? Exaggeration, narrow perspective, ignorance...who knows? I'd certainly call ignorance human nature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
And those that protest against Syrians being killed only when it's their government doing it still makes them crap humanitarians and inconsistent in their beliefs.
Yes, that is why we call it an opinion. Their opinion might be slightly different, if you looked at everyone's opinion it would be a spectrum of different positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokyo Blue
It might make them a 'crap humanitarian', but you labelled them humanitarian to make a point. I have never heard anyone refer to themselves as a 'humanitarian' in passing. They are entitled to their opinion as are you but it is dangerous to group everyone who opposes or encourages something into one specific school of thought.
People feel broadly responsible for the actions of their own government as they collectively endorsed them and gave them their power. The idea that you can't stand against something because you didn't stand against other similar events in history is just laughable.