That would cause an actual war :hehe: and would be just as bad as thisQuote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
These are 2 states disputing it not 2 kids.
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That would cause an actual war :hehe: and would be just as bad as thisQuote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
These are 2 states disputing it not 2 kids.
:hehe: it's a dreadful solution. Religion is bollocks, yes, but that's from our viewpoint. From theirs it's very very serious. Hence why no one has a good solution and probably never will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I seriously dont believe Trump knows more than anyone on this board,and I mean anyone..Quote:
Originally Posted by Vimto
Its distraction from the Russian investigation and pure aggression.
He's managed to piss of millions of Muslims in the flick of a pen, if there is any push back from the Muslim world he can then point back to his travel ban and get pressure on it being passed so he can finally put something in his mental win column.
He's put a lot of his fellow countrymen in more danger than they've been in before over something he cant be arsed in understanding. I don't understand middle east politics but there must be a very good reason that more intelligent people before him haven't done this.
Isn't it trying to take attention away from them wanting that pedo from Alabama elected?
the Arabs invaded Israel - twice. and on both occasions they had their arse handed to them on a plate. on both occasions the aim was to wipe Israel off the map. Since Israel are the victors, then the Golan, West Bank and Gaza are legitimate territory taken from an aggressor antebellum to form an enlarged more powerful state. that is the way it has always been. (USSR -> Poland -> Germany is one such example).
If the Arabs don't want to lose territory, then they shouldn't look to take on the Israelis.
genetically speaking, they are the same people. the also worship the same God albeit slightly differently. They just believe they are descended from different sons of Abraham, Isaac (Jews) and Ishmael (Arabs).Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
that's why they hate each other.
congress passed a law in 1995Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
But you can say why they do considering the way Israel wasn't given the land in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by TISS
It's a lot more complicated than you're making out and people a lot cleverer than us haven't been able to sort it out.
I was in Israel a couple of weeks ago, a beautiful place to visit but it's crazy how they're still expanding into "neutral" and Palestine areas even now.
So not policy then. You made that part up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
If you're going to cite wikipedia pages. Maybe it's a good idea to read them first.
the Arabs attacked Israel after the Israelis had been given their little sliver of land by UN mandate. I also find it bizarre that we can have many islamic and christian states, but some get apoplectic when we have just one jewish state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I used the Wikipedia page as an easy link, I'm not clued up on it to be honest i just heard about it on the news yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
What's the difference between a policy and it though?
The bill to fund the move was passed into law by the congress and senate, but it was the policy of the government at the time and successive governments until now to not act upon it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
So while there was a provision to move the embassy, it has not been policy of a sitting government until now.
It's probably not going to happen anyway. Trump just used this as a campaign promise to stir up part of his his base, evangelical christians, who are grossly uninformed when it comes to what the State of Israel is and what it does. He has acted upon it because it's actually a promise he can keep, or at least be seen to attempt to keep. Unlike building a wall that will be paid for Mexico, all the coal and manufacturing jobs that will never materialize, the budget being balanced, appointing a special prosecutor to "lock her up" etc, etc.
Why are people so thick that they google Wikipedia and state it as a fact?Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Selfish simpletons such as yourself lap it up as usual.
It is a fact, I was just using Wikipedia as a reference rather than one of the news stories that only mentioned it in passing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
Who is going to get Israel out of Jerusalem then?Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
All kicking off now
Well done trump you idiot
Classic diversionary tactics from the Orange one. He's clueless, fair play.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
An utter ****ing idiot who has some serious personality issues. He’ll use any protest to justify his reckless policies.
If this did go full blown war would the likely outcome be the end of Palestine?
Yes, Israel has a very powerful army backed up by the yanksQuote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
Head of Hamas saying 8 December going to be a historic day, calling on Muslims worldwide.
What a mess this buffoon has caused.. glad practically every other major state is condemning it.
World war 3 beckons!
But it'd still have an American Embassy there though - is anyone who is not Israeli backing the dangerous idiot on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
This present argument started after the 6 day war in 1967.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
The arabs attacked Israel and Isreal hammered them.. In the process they captured a lot of land (eg. The golan heights) and refused to this day to give it back.
Part of that land was the half of Jerusalem which was the capital of the palistinians. (Unofficially).
so now Irael controls all of it unlike before when the only controlled half like berlin used to be.
They therefore control all the muslim holy sites in Jerusalem and this is ctotally unacceptable to muslims.
hope this helps
The Czech Republic.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The Jordanians control the temple mount, not the Israelis. Jews are forbidden from entering and pray only at the western wall. This is because the Jews believe the temple mount contains the holy of holies. Muslims have unrestricted access to Haram esh-Sharif, the Dome of the Rock and everything else. Israel make no attempt to stop muslims (or Christians) from worshipping at these sites, other than putting police (not military) security around such sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
This topic seems to have a bit of history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY07KDAgC1A
I never said they attempt to impose on the muslim holy sites, for quite rightly they do not. But never the less they still physically hold the whole of Jerusalem, and that is the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by TISS
People are bashing President trump at every turn, but he has only formalised what was a US decisionm decades ago!
He is just removing the pretence of previous administrations.
It's about time the left ewing and liberal lovies in the US political system accepted that he won the election. They should just live with it!!
Nothing is truly 'decided' until it is acted upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Bearing in mind the tricky diplomatic situation(s) regarding the factions involved, it could be that the 'noises were made' to appease those who wanted to hear them, but not acted upon. And dragged out.
Until ..
Why? Because you say so? What nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
This country was founded on protest. Trump and his cronies are crooks. Why should Americans sit back and let them do what they want? Republicans wouldn't even let Obama pick a Supreme Court justice.
Not me who said so. The American voters said so. It's your system, live with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Od do yoiu seek to change evrey system every time it delivers a result you don't happen to agree with?
For some people it beats the Daily Mail I guess!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
If all religions have unfettered access to all sites then what does it matter if the israelis have all of jerusalem?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel was a campaign pledge, it's not like it was hidden or anything, so yeah the people did actually vote for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
The things that apparently make you a "left wing luvvie these days"Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
You don't want an all out war in the Middle East? Left eing liberal lovie (sic)
Someone said it for thinking calling a black person a n*gger too :hehe:
It's baffling that some intelligent posters devalue points that they are making by using silly terminology about those with a different view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
When Trump was elected he didn't get a mandate to do whatever he wants unchecked. He's not a king. You don't just vote every 4 years and then forget about it. Those elected to office there to serve and must be held accountable. This is why Trump didn't get the senate votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act. The people let their representatives know.
So, the last US election was a referendum on Jerusalem? It cracks me up how politicians of all parties claim a victory means that everything they ran on, or was in their manifesto, has been given a mandate - of course, in this instance, "victory" means the other person got more votes than Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
You could see it like that, or you could view it as somebody in political office who follows through and does what they say.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Because access to sites and occupation are two very different beasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by TISS