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Liverpool had won the fa cup cup the season before and the champions league the season before that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
If you read my posts I would rather bellamy over giggs i dont want giggs to get it but you (william) cant say bellamy got a better winning mentality thanthan giggs I would've liked Robinson to get it
Bellamy gives an outstanding interview, did his coaching badges under the FAW so knows the Welsh coaching outlook. Got the support of the players. Played every time he could for Wales.
Giggs didn't turn up for friendlies, did his badges under the FA at St George's Park. Has got no real edge in terms of managerial experience over Bellamy and is probably more expensive.
What am I missing..
Still I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
You're confusing mentality with trophies.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
That's the point you're missing out on. Bellamy is a perfectionist - hence getting frustrated when players not performing. THAT is a winners mentality, a drive to achieve the best.
Robinson? He's got managerial experience - in MLS. A league so great that Bradley Wright-Phillips regularly is in the top scorer charts. His record there has been hit/miss. Make playoffs, miss playoffs. I'm not decrying the man management spects of that but pushing Robinson due to that is akin to pushing WPL managers.
For me, it should be Bellamy.
Even Alan Shearer is taking the piss.
Alan Shearer.
The muppet who took over Newcastle knowing when they relegated, could claim wasn't his fault, knew if a miracle happened he'd be a hero.
He is taking the piss out of us.
Thank you FAW.
Ok let's take Steven Gerrard for example now he has a winning mentality because he drove his team on to win trophies no one gives a feck if you win games until you win the big one with the trophy at the end. I agree that bellamy has the desire to succeed but I'm not having he has a better winning mentality than giggs who has won 35 trophies which is the aim of winning. At least Robinson has experienced managing belly is just starting off and would be much better what he's doing now and learningQuote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
Gerrard is an example of a mentality and trophies sure - you could see his passion and drive took games by the scruff of the next and won games that should have been lost. Cup final vs Palace an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
Giggs? Not so much. Giggs won trophies as part of a dominant squad. Welsh performances nowhere near as good, didn't elevate other players.
The choice would be between Bellamy and Giggs; sorry, there's no choice there at all. One wants a big Prem club role, the other taking a far more low key approach, wating to learn from bottom up.
If Giggs gets it, I can see him employing who he knows - so his Man Yoo cronies them come in on the coaching staff. If Osian then quits, appointing Giggs will have set us back years.
No. Although, I wouldn't have minded him being thrown in at the shallow end to develop with Wales either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
I'm OK with Giggs.
FAW already attempting to pour water on the flames. Asking for support for whoever is appointed playing the Together Stronger card.
Jonathan Ford now living on borrowed time
Spot on Mike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
I think Bellamy, given time, would be a fantastic replacement for Warnock.
Like Warnock, Bellamy would attract many decent players to Cardiff.
So I'd favour Giggs in the Wales job.
Together Stronger doesn't work when appointing someone with a record of looking out for number one.Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton
If there’s enough internet noise before the announcement they may think again
We owe it to our country to add as much fuel to this fire as we can
No they won't. Decision is made and that is that.Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton
Unless he shagged his brothers missus or something there's no way they'd overturn it.
Maybe stunning victories in China will convince Glazers to fire Mopey Mourinho and hire Gleeful Giggs.
Bellamy was always present for Wales when fit as well, is anyone going to claim that Giggs was genuinely injured every time he missed a game for his country?Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
Why do you think he would stop doing that if he had got the job? After all, it's hardly as if the team he'd be managing was playing Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday is it. I would hope that he would have still wanted to be involved in the other age groups if he had become manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
Sadly for all us Welsh football fans it does look Giggs has got the job:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football
Alex Ferguson, who knows Giggs best, has never touted him up as a manager, neither for Man Utd after he left, nor for any other team. Fergie would know if hes has the attributes to be a manager or not, I would have thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Fergie says he does thus making your point redundantQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36705707
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
So Giggs will try to get Wales into the next World Cup and Euros.
But who will manage us for all those friendlies in between tournaments?
Think he made a choice to prolong his playing career by not always being available. Could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Not sad for me fella, not my preferred choice but let's see what he can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
This point is gonna be batted back and fiorth like a tennis ball, because of your failure to understand the point I’m making.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
I’m not doubting Giggs ability as a player and all the trophies he has won. He did it surrounded by top class players though, with little “winning mentality” when it came to his country.
He was shit scared of Fergie, and didn’t have the balls to stand upto him.
Anyone can have winning mentality at a top club, in there comfort zone.
Bellamy on the other hand was a footballing nomad, who showed his desire to win everywhere he played, Be it Liverpool, Celtic, Man City or Norwich.
Ok, he has no where near as many trophies as Giggs, but he is his own man, backs down to nobody, and loved playing for his country, and gave 100% for clubs and country.
Big name, ex Manu star under Fergie.
Could be a great appointment, or could be on a par with Ole for us.
Shit scared of Fergie?Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Or did he make a conscious decision to prolong a successful career?
Shit scared of Fergie👍Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
I agree with this. The thing is the Welsh manager job is not even as lucrative as some Championship jobs these days. If you were a young manager, I think you'd plump for the Cardiff job (for example) ahead of the Wales job.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
LEaDeRQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
If we had made the WC it would have made it more lucrative (stating the obvious I know) but Coleman wouldn't have left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt
Now we have a vacancy I'd like us to get the beat possible person in for the job, I suspect a lot of people could be put off by the sort of wage we can offer (just a hunch)
I'd take Bellamy over Giggs any day. I'd also prefer Robinson out of the lot and keep OR in his position..wouldnt grumble if we appointed OR either as he's obviously talented.
A manager's relationship with players is different to a coach's relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Giggs worries me because he didn't really seem like he was enjoying playing for Wales - although he often came out and stated that, even if he could play for England, he would have chosen Wales, I have a suspicion that it is as token a statement as kissing a badge. Giggs also worries me because he has been isolated from the ugly parts of football all his life. One club, one country (with his club dictating conditions in which he could play).
Even if he gets the Wales job, he has never set foot outside of those two organisation, MUFC and Wales apart from his early years in Man City.
Unlike Bale, it always felt that Wales should be privileged to have Giggs playing for them and giving them his valuable time. He never came across as being part of a group (ok, maybe the same could be said at Man U - but he did seem to be part of the Beckham/Scholes/Neville pact). I'm not convinced he has taken even a passing interest in the Welsh U21s and U18s - again I could be wrong and I would hope the FAW appointing him means that I am wrong.
This appears nothing more than a step onto the managerial roundabout for me. The one thing I would add, though, is that Giggs needs it to be a success.
Not blessed with managerial options and obviously not everyone's choice, but Coleman wasn't my fave for the job and he did alright.
Was CC a master tactician? I think not but the players listened and reacted to him as he was a good player at the highest level, which is important.
Giggs's playing credentials and trophies need no bigging up and he is used to winning.
He has experience under great managers, probably one of the best ever and has also managed, albeit for a short period.
Personally I think that's why they've gone with Giggs over Bellamy.
I don't buy into this he lacks passion as he never turned up for friendlies nonsence. If he gets the job, he will try his best to succeed, as most people in a new job would.
If/when Giggs is unveiled, let's get behind him.
So, put his own interests ahead of the team's? He can have no complaints if his players take the same attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
I think Wales' loss is Cardiff's gain. I can see Bellamy as Cardiff manager in 18 months time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
One thing that has occurred to me. Perhaps Bellamy wanted to appoint his own team - and that team would be minus Osian Roberts. Perhaps Giggs is happy to keep Osian Roberts? All speculation of course.
It's my opinion that this happened. It's not stated as fact. The players will make up their own minds too won't they.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt
I don't think the past will have anything to do with how he approaches a managerial role though, he's not going to take the job knowing the risks if he isn't going to go about it in a professional way, is He?
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Giggs is bring in Ole as his assistantQuote:
Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt
Osh is out on his ear :frown:
If his international career had consisted of two distinctive phases then you may have had a point about Giggs looking to prolong his career, but he missed plenty of games with "hamstring injuries" well before he was an age when he would have to consider such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Whilst that could potentially true I'd say it's more likely that Bellamy would keep Roberts than Giggs given that he worked under Roberts when Speed was manager, knew how highly both Speed and Coleman thought of Roberts, would seek some kind of continuity and I'm sure would praise his work with the youngsters. I doubt Giggs knows who Roberts is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt
This thread is bananas. The most decorated player in British football is not a perfectionist, even though he managed himself both mentally and physically to play and win trophies for over 20 years at the very top. In winning all those trophies he still does not have as much of a winning mentality as someone whos won a measly league cup, and only won the many, many trophies he did over a 20 year period because of the players he played with, even though he was the one common donominator in all of Fergies success and he won more than any of his team mates. :hehe:
Speed and Coleman were both crap managers before they came to manage Wales.
Of the 3 names mentioned none of them have ever managed a professional team of note before (4 games for Man Utd doesn't count). No one knows what Giggs will do, and are basing their dislike on the fact he didn't turn up for friendlies. Wales have a chance of qualifying for the next Euros as it is 24 teams again meaning half of Europe will qualify. When it comes to World Cups, we could have the best manager on earth and we still wouldn't qualify.
Like Mike said, Keep Bellamy for us.:thumbup: