Steven Caulker

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

We were dropping down the table at an alarming rate with our most difficult month of fixtures to come. We barely mustered any goals, or points, in our away games against the struggling teams first half of the season, so just because we come out on top in 2 scrappy 50-50 low on quality home games that could have gone either way is no indication that we all these so called easier home fixtures 2nd half of the season were a gimme.

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Apart from the Derby team that amassed 11 points a few years previously, we were the worst equipped side to play in the Premiership. Arguably the Premiership squad was worse that the Championship squad. Soskjaer has admitted the players told him 'we just aren't good enough'. When the players admit that, your dammed...

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Originally Posted by lardy

For the first half of the season, we were just about as bad as the other half dozen worst teams. For the second half, we were clearly the worst team.

Would be interested to see these xG stats and compare to the other crap clubs in the opening months.

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For the 2nd half of the season we had to go away to most of the top half of the table. And our home games were mainly against teams also scrapping for their lives so theres an argument to make that 2nd half of the season was a more difficult set of fixtures.

Either way the squad wasnt good enough, not considering what Malky had at his disposal in the summer, and what OGS added wasnt good enough either, albeit he didnt have a fraction of what Malky had to spend. Two very poor transfer windows.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Apart from the Derby team that amassed 11 points a few years previously, we were the worst equipped side to play in the Premiership. Arguably the Premiership squad was worse that the Championship squad. Soskjaer has admitted the players told him 'we just aren't good enough'. When the players admit that, your dammed...

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Hull and Palace squads were no better equipped at the end of the Championshop season before but they used their (much lower) budgets far wiser than we did.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

We were dropping down the table at an alarming rate with our most difficult month of fixtures to come. We barely mustered any goals, or points, in our away games against the struggling teams first half of the season, so just because we come out on top in 2 scrappy 50-50 low on quality home games that could have gone either way is no indication that we all these so called easier home fixtures 2nd half of the season were a gimme.

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Thanks for repeating your point again but thats not what the post you quoted addressed.

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Originally Posted by lardy

For the first half of the season, we were just about as bad as the other half dozen worst teams. For the second half, we were clearly the worst team.

Would be interested to see these xG stats and compare to the other crap clubs in the opening months.

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Ourselves and Fulham had the worst xG throughout the season , and unsurprisingly we ended up in the bottom 2 positions.
Not sure if I still have the data but I'll look.

At the time Caulker signed, I remember it being lauded as a great signing on here. Hindsight vision is 20-20.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Apart from the Derby team that amassed 11 points a few years previously, we were the worst equipped side to play in the Premiership. Arguably the Premiership squad was worse that the Championship squad. Soskjaer has admitted the players told him 'we just aren't good enough'. When the players admit that, your dammed...

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Plenty worse teams on paper have stayed up. You need the manager to motivate you and turn it around. We spent extremely poorly though, little or no Premier League experience, expensive gambles and zero pace. Caulker had his demons and people in football knew about it, so we shouldn't have taken the risk.

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

At the time Caulker signed, I remember it being lauded as a great signing on here. Hindsight vision is 20-20.

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We didn't know he was a gambling, alcoholic but people in football did. We did know he was banned from clubs and pubs in Swansea though, and if we knew that clubs would know more.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

We didn't know he was a gambling, alcoholic but people in football did. We did know he was banned from clubs and pubs in Swansea though, and if we knew that clubs would know more.

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Malkys dossiers should have picked this up

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Originally Posted by lardy

Thanks for repeating your point again but thats not what the post you quoted addressed.

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I dont think that point was repeated was it? Not on this thread anyway?

Just offering a reason (besides the obvious - OGS) why we were worse in the 2nd half of the season, and agreeing with the post you replied to that we were poor throughout the season not just after January.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Malkys dossiers should have picked this up

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It was posted on here at the time we signed him, that the only reason spurs got rid of him was he'd got steaming drunk at a club function and became abusive to friends of the chairman

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

I think youll find you do it all the time. State your opinion as fact.

Anyway, go and find Croesy if you want a spat, not here to be a substitue for him.

Lets keep the thread on point theres a good lad.

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I don’t think I do I think it’s more you are such a “snowflake” yourself that you don’t seem to be able to handle any contrary opinion to your own narrow world view.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I don’t think I do I think it’s more you are such a “snowflake” yourself that you don’t seem to be able to handle any contrary opinion to your own narrow world view.

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The irony meter just smashed into a million pieces.

I see he scored for Dundee last night.

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Originally Posted by Seabird

I see he scored for Dundee last night.

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And conceded 3 against 10 men

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Plenty worse teams on paper have stayed up. You need the manager to motivate you and turn it around. We spent extremely poorly though, little or no Premier League experience, expensive gambles and zero pace. Caulker had his demons and people in football knew about it, so we shouldn't have taken the risk.

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How many failed dossiers did Malky have?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

How many failed dossiers did Malky have?

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His signings in the Championship were very good.

Mackay signed Cornelius, Brayford, Moore, Caulker, Amondarain, KTC, Odemwingie and Medel in the Premier League season. Only Caulker and Medel contributed to any real extent and we lost money on the rest.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

His signings in the Championship were very good.

Mackay signed Cornelius, Brayford, Moore, Caulker, Amondarain, KTC, Odemwingie and Medel in the Premier League season. Only Caulker and Medel contributed to any real extent and we lost money on the rest.

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I know and agree.

But surely if people in foot all circles knew about caulker then Malky would have? Can't criticise his performances for us a great deal , but these "dossiers" need to be questioned.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Plenty worse teams on paper have stayed up. You need the manager to motivate you and turn it around. We spent extremely poorly though, little or no Premier League experience, expensive gambles and zero pace. Caulker had his demons and people in football knew about it, so we shouldn't have taken the risk.

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I don't buy in to this "we spent really poorly" thing. If it hadn't been for Cornelius, and all the hyperbole surrounding the amount we paid for him the spending poorly thing would be a non starter. I actually thought Medel in particular was a great signing.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I don't buy in to this "we spent really poorly" thing. If it hadn't been for Cornelius, and all the hyperbole surrounding the amount we paid for him the spending poorly thing would be a non starter. I actually thought Medel in particular was a great signing.

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Cornelius was a dreadful buy that is clear as day.

I mean we saw so much of his ability after his 8 appearances off the bench in the premier league. All in the dying seconds of the game and the majority coming off a long term injury

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I don't buy in to this "we spent really poorly" thing. If it hadn't been for Cornelius, and all the hyperbole surrounding the amount we paid for him the spending poorly thing would be a non starter. I actually thought Medel in particular was a great signing.

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16 from 30 million being good buys first season in the PL has to be seen as poor (just my opinion)

You need as much value as possible with not much room for error, 50 percent of the money spent wasn't "good value"

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I don't buy in to this "we spent really poorly" thing. If it hadn't been for Cornelius, and all the hyperbole surrounding the amount we paid for him the spending poorly thing would be a non starter. I actually thought Medel in particular was a great signing.

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Including Caulker, we bought 2 players that were PL quality. The rest weren't, and our squad wasn't. Cornelius absolutely had to come off if we had any chance to survive, and we all know what happened there. Mackay signed Cornelius, Brayford, Moore, Caulker, Amondarain, KTC, Odemwingie and Medel in the Premier League season. Caulker was a drunk and Medel was asked to put out fires all over the pitch.

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Originally Posted by BuyingManCityTickets

Cornelius was a dreadful buy that is clear as day.

I mean we saw so much of his ability after his 8 appearances off the bench in the premier league. All in the dying seconds of the game and the majority coming off a long term injury

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For £10m he was a dreadful buy.

Remember our manager at the time touted him as being able to score the goals that would keep us in the Prem, handed him the no 9 shirt... then in quick fashion downgraded him to "one for the future".

At £1m, lower wages he'd have been a non-issue and given more time.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

For £10m he was a dreadful buy.

Remember our manager at the time touted him as being able to score the goals that would keep us in the Prem, handed him the no 9 shirt... then in quick fashion downgraded him to "one for the future".

At £1m, lower wages he'd have been a non-issue and given more time.

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Gary Madine at 6mm could quite easily surpass any previous purchase for that coveted 'waste of money' signing top spot. I couldn't believe my ears when they quoted that figure last night on the commentary. :angry:

Spot on - I still can’t see where we think 6m is a decent price.
Tan had his fingers burnt before, perhaps he’s agreed as he now has a get out if he fails to deliver.

That assumes the figure was £6m.

May well involve addons that could take it to that if the clauses are achieved.

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Originally Posted by BuyingManCityTickets

Cornelius was a dreadful buy that is clear as day.

I mean we saw so much of his ability after his 8 appearances off the bench in the premier league. All in the dying seconds of the game and the majority coming off a long term injury

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I rate Caulker as a worse signing, just 2 million less and did 20x more dmg to our survival hopes.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

That assumes the figure was £6m.

May well involve addons that could take it to that if the clauses are achieved.

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I thought that when the dust had settled and the Bolton statement had been released we were left with a £5m fee (not the £6m that was touted earlier) that included performance add-ons but that Cardiff had agreed to pay the core fee (the part that excludes add-ons) immediately and not by annual instalments (over several years) which seems to be the normal practice. Still a high price but maybe not as OTT as some have suggested.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I thought that when the dust had settled and the Bolton statement had been released we were left with a £5m fee (not the £6m that was touted earlier) that included performance add-ons but that Cardiff had agreed to pay the core fee (the part that excludes add-ons) immediately and not by annual instalments (over several years) which seems to be the normal practice. Still a high price but maybe not as OTT as some have suggested.

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So possibly say 3.5-4 million in one hit rather than over 5 years.. 1-1.5 dependent on whatever add ons they agreed to?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

So possibly say 3.5-4 million in one hit rather than over 5 years.. 1-1.5 dependent on whatever add ons they agreed to?

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The guys on CCFC world who work for City said 6. Didn't go into the structure but clearly said 6 than clarified it was 6 when the co-commentator, like myself questioned it. I trust them when they say 6.

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Originally Posted by OurManFlint II

The guys on CCFC world who work for City said 6. Didn't go into the structure but clearly said 6 than clarified it was 6 when the co-commentator, like myself questioned it. I trust them when they say 6.

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I have no idea, but it's just I treating to speculate.

Like I made a thread About, it's given Ken a boot up the arse so could be worth it alone to get him going, and from wjat I've seen of Madine he looks just fine.