Bennett makes a point on Sane recovery

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

:hehe: you normally talk sense Tim but you've lost the plot on this one

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Not at all Jamie.

Im happy with my position on this..

Sense to some is rubbish to others

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Originally Posted by Loramski

Ndong not only went for the ball down here but he got it, his boot then went over the ball and into Hoilett's shin. Hoilett was ok to continue but Ndong was sent off & suspended for three games. He also lost his appeal a couple of days later.

Having initially seen Bennett's tackle as a mistimed slide tackle, you now accept that Bennett was making no attempt to go for the ball and that he also caught him on the shin. You still don't see it as a problem though because legs and ankles are very strong (you may want to check with Seamus Coleman and James McCarthy about this) and Bennett was only trying to trip Sane up so it's ok.

You're also using the fact that Sane was only out for 16 days as proof that it wasn't that bad a challenge, whatever that's got to do with it. The 'out for seven weeks' stuff only came out a day or two later. It may have added to the controversy but it didn't cause it, the challenge and the ref's reaction to it did that. Even before they knew whether Sane was coming out for the second half, MOTD analysed the incident at half time and Lineker, Shearer, Lescott and Gabbidon all said it was a straight red. They must be clueless about the actual act of playing football too.

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Where have I mentioned a Ndong ?

Also I have previously said that it could have been a red card, although at the time I thought a booking was fair and nobody I spoke to at the game said anything about a ref for it.

What I dispute is that Bennett tried to seriously injure the lad.

I also thought Pep was bullshitting about the severity and was proven correct .

I really couldn't give a shit about Linekar, Shearer , Lescott they are thick as shit. They must be if they don't realise that your foot comes off the ground when you slide tackle- as it does when you kick the ball.

Shearer and Lescott are hypocrites - both far far dirtier and horrible than any player in our squad, never mind the normally placid Bennett

Linekar never made a tackle in his life so he can bugger off as well. He wouldn't have a clue.

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

Where have I mentioned a Ndong ?

Also I have previously said that it could have been a red card, although at the time I thought a booking was fair and nobody I spoke to at the game said anything about a ref for it.

What I dispute is that Bennett tried to seriously injure the lad.

I also thought Pep was bullshitting about the severity and was proven correct .

I really couldn't give a shit about Linekar, Shearer , Lescott they are thick as shit. They must be if they don't realise that your foot comes off the ground when you slide tackle- as it does when you kick the ball.

Shearer and Lescott are hypocrites - both far far dirtier and horrible than any player in our squad, never mind the normally placid Bennett



Linekar never made a tackle in his life so he can bugger off as well. He wouldn't have a clue.

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Shearer with his touchline hatchet job is right one to talk about it.

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Originally Posted by Loramski

Ndong not only went for the ball down here but he got it, his boot then went over the ball and into Hoilett's shin. Hoilett was ok to continue but Ndong was sent off & suspended for three games. He also lost his appeal a couple of days later.

Having initially seen Bennett's tackle as a mistimed slide tackle, you now accept that Bennett was making no attempt to go for the ball and that he also caught him on the shin. You still don't see it as a problem though because legs and ankles are very strong (you may want to check with Seamus Coleman and James McCarthy about this) and Bennett was only trying to trip Sane up so it's ok.

You're also using the fact that Sane was only out for 16 days as proof that it wasn't that bad a challenge, whatever that's got to do with it. The 'out for seven weeks' stuff only came out a day or two later. It may have added to the controversy but it didn't cause it, the challenge and the ref's reaction to it did that. Even before they knew whether Sane was coming out for the second half, MOTD analysed the incident at half time and Lineker, Shearer, Lescott and Gabbidon all said it was a straight red. They must be clueless about the actual act of playing football too.

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Well said!

The funny thing is, had the challenge been on a Cardiff player Lawnmower would be throwing a hissy fit 5 times the size of Pep Guardiola's.

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

Where have I mentioned a Ndong ?

Also I have previously said that it could have been a red card, although at the time I thought a booking was fair and nobody I spoke to at the game said anything about a ref for it.

What I dispute is that Bennett tried to seriously injure the lad.

I also thought Pep was bullshitting about the severity and was proven correct .

I really couldn't give a shit about Linekar, Shearer , Lescott they are thick as shit. They must be if they don't realise that your foot comes off the ground when you slide tackle- as it does when you kick the ball.

Shearer and Lescott are hypocrites - both far far dirtier and horrible than any player in our squad, never mind the normally placid Bennett

Linekar never made a tackle in his life so he can bugger off as well. He wouldn't have a clue.

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Too many on here who think they know everything, when, in reality, they know diddly.

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Originally Posted by Nick

Too many on here who think they know everything, when, in reality, they know diddly.

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Thanks Nick.

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

Thanks Nick.

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Not a problem Jirga.

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Originally Posted by Nick

Not a problem Jirga.

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:hehe: you're sharp dude!

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

:hehe: you're sharp dude!

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Unlike you.

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Originally Posted by Nick

Unlike you.

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Yeah, I know.

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

Not at all Jamie.

Im happy with my position on this..

Sense to some is rubbish to others

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Makes sense to me. Football is a sport where people foul cynically, sometimes it is that or let people score unchallenged (which is what pep seems to want). It can go wrong, it has in the past and will in the future but a game without tackling would be fecking shite.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Makes sense to me. Football is a sport where people foul cynically, sometimes it is that or let people score unchallenged (which is what pep seems to want). It can go wrong, it has in the past and will in the future but a game without tackling would be fecking shite.

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Who is saying that tackling should be outlawed?

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

Who is saying that tackling should be outlawed?

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It is the inference, protect the artists etc. The intention was to disrupt attacking flow, ironically something Man City under Pep are masters of - you have to be when you push forward as a team. Sin-bin for all cynical fouls (yellow does nothing) would stop it I think. Red for Bennett because he made such a mess of it.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

It is the inference, protect the artists etc. The intention was to disrupt attacking flow, ironically something Man City under Pep are masters of - you have to be when you push forward as a team. Sin-bin for all cynical fouls (yellow does nothing) would stop it I think. Red for Bennett because he made such a mess of it.

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Excellent post. Sin-bin for 10 minutes plus a free kick in any position the attacking side wanted outside the penalty area.

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

Where have I mentioned a Ndong ?

Also I have previously said that it could have been a red card, although at the time I thought a booking was fair and nobody I spoke to at the game said anything about a ref for it.

What I dispute is that Bennett tried to seriously injure the lad.

I also thought Pep was bullshitting about the severity and was proven correct .

I really couldn't give a shit about Linekar, Shearer , Lescott they are thick as shit. They must be if they don't realise that your foot comes off the ground when you slide tackle- as it does when you kick the ball.

Shearer and Lescott are hypocrites - both far far dirtier and horrible than any player in our squad, never mind the normally placid Bennett

Linekar never made a tackle in his life so he can bugger off as well. He wouldn't have a clue.

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Cripes.

I brought Ndong up to show where we are, rules wise, these days. Ndong got the ball but was still sent off because he went into Hoilett's shin after. If that's a red card then surely Bennett launching himself into Sane's shin when the ball had long gone has to be one too?

I haven't seen anyone say Bennett tried to seriously injure Sane but if you make a dangerous challenge then there's obviously a good chance you'll injure someone, that's why they are red card offences.

You said Sane wouldn't be out for long, you were right. It doesn't make the challenge any better though.

You've rubbished non-footballers' opinions, you've said no one in the ground (apart from Guardiola presumably) thought it was a red and you've inferred that people's opinions were influenced by Man City exaggerating Sane's injury. I found you four ex-footballers who were in the ground and didn't even know Sane was injured. They all thought it was a straight red. If you want me to find some footballers who agree with your views on all this then you may have to wait some time.

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Originally Posted by Penarth Blues

Excellent post. Sin-bin for 10 minutes plus a free kick in any position the attacking side wanted outside the penalty area.

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Eh :hehe:

*here's the ball pick your spot lads..

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Eh :hehe:

*here's the ball pick your spot lads..

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Yep :-). If you've blocked someone off to prevent them having a chance on goal then I think the attacking side should have the next best thing to a penalty i.e. put the ball anywhere you want outside the area like a normal free kick. This allows the attempt on goal without it being as likely to score as a penalty.

I think it's a brilliant idea :-)

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

Well said!

The funny thing is, had the challenge been on a Cardiff player Lawnmower would be throwing a hissy fit 5 times the size of Pep Guardiola's.

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Bollox

You are an arse hole who never has a good word to say about City.

You only ever stick your nose in to be negative

Find one example of where I have been as bad as Pep has over this

Praise the Lord, our prayers were answered.

What a load of shit. Massive overreaction all so Sane could have a few days with his feet up.

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Originally Posted by Loramski

Cripes.

I brought Ndong up to show where we are, rules wise, these days. Ndong got the ball but was still sent off because he went into Hoilett's shin after. If that's a red card then surely Bennett launching himself into Sane's shin when the ball had long gone has to be one too?

I haven't seen anyone say Bennett tried to seriously injure Sane but if you make a dangerous challenge then there's obviously a good chance you'll injure someone, that's why they are red card offences.

You said Sane wouldn't be out for long, you were right. It doesn't make the challenge any better though.

You've rubbished non-footballers' opinions, you've said no one in the ground (apart from Guardiola presumably) thought it was a red and you've inferred that people's opinions were influenced by Man City exaggerating Sane's injury. I found you four ex-footballers who were in the ground and didn't even know Sane was injured. They all thought it was a straight red. If you want me to find some footballers who agree with your views on all this then you may have to wait some time.

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Your 4 ex footballers were commenting on the TV pictures.
I don't know or care what they said.
If any of them had a clue they would be managers now, between them they've had a fair few opportunities.

I'd be a hypocrite if I was to take the lines that many have and sttaced Bennett.

I've done similar to him hundreds of times and never been sent off for it. Sometimes I won the ball sometimes I didn't, I don't remember ever seriously hurting a player, it's mostly ended up with the player tripping over my leg and getting up again.
As is normally the case when it's happens in games I watch. Sometimes the tackler gets the worse of it ( remember Gazza)

Mendez Laing survived worse at home to Leeds and Madine away at Leeds.



You seem obsessed by the issue of sending off. I wouldn't have complained if he had, as I have pointed out before, but the problem is people are trying to make out he went in to injure Sane and I don't agree. These days there doesn't seem to be much clarity on what is or isn't- it's just the refs opinion on the day.

As for Ndong then I didn't think that was a sending off at the time, but there is a nasty and dangerous trick some players make of intentionally hitting the top of the ball and following through.

It's a very cynical trick and something most honest players would never do and is intended to injure rather than to stop an opponent ( which was the case with Bennett)

If that was the case then it was far more dangerous and nasty than Bennett's tackle.

As for your 4 footballers 'at the game'. I've no idea if they were or what they said because I was there , not watching on TV, but I've already said what I think of their views.

I'd be a hypocrite if I said otherwise as I've probably done hundreds of tackles like Bennett's, never got sent of and by memory never seriously hurt anyone.

Lucky me

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

Your 4 ex footballers were commenting on the TV pictures.
I don't know or care what they said.
If any of them had a clue they would be managers now, between them they've had a fair few opportunities.

I'd be a hypocrite if I was to take the lines that many have and sttaced Bennett.

I've done similar to him hundreds of times and never been sent off for it. Sometimes I won the ball sometimes I didn't, I don't remember ever seriously hurting a player, it's mostly ended up with the player tripping over my leg and getting up again.
As is normally the case when it's happens in games I watch. Sometimes the tackler gets the worse of it ( remember Gazza)

Mendez Laing survived worse at home to Leeds and Madine away at Leeds.



You seem obsessed by the issue of sending off. I wouldn't have complained if he had, as I have pointed out before, but the problem is people are trying to make out he went in to injure Sane and I don't agree. These days there doesn't seem to be much clarity on what is or isn't- it's just the refs opinion on the day.

As for Ndong then I didn't think that was a sending off at the time, but there is a nasty and dangerous trick some players make of intentionally hitting the top of the ball and following through.

It's a very cynical trick and something most honest players would never do and is intended to injure rather than to stop an opponent ( which was the case with Bennett)

If that was the case then it was far more dangerous and nasty than Bennett's tackle.

As for your 4 footballers 'at the game'. I've no idea if they were or what they said because I was there , not watching on TV, but I've already said what I think of their views.

I'd be a hypocrite if I said otherwise as I've probably done hundreds of tackles like Bennett's, never got sent of and by memory never seriously hurt anyone.

Lucky me

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You aren't very good at tackling then Tim? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

You aren't very good at tackling then Tim? :hehe:

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First rule of defending-Stay on your feet-And if you're going to foul, also stay on your feet!

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

Bollox

You are an arse hole who never has a good word to say about City.

You only ever stick your nose in to be negative

Find one example of where I have been as bad as Pep has over this

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You are an apologist for an awful challenge. You even claimed it was not high, and that it wasn't so bad because Sane is back playing. Take a look at yourself and then come back with something a bit more civil as a response.

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

Your 4 ex footballers were commenting on the TV pictures.
I don't know or care what they said.
If any of them had a clue they would be managers now, between them they've had a fair few opportunities.

I'd be a hypocrite if I was to take the lines that many have and sttaced Bennett.

I've done similar to him hundreds of times and never been sent off for it. Sometimes I won the ball sometimes I didn't, I don't remember ever seriously hurting a player, it's mostly ended up with the player tripping over my leg and getting up again.
As is normally the case when it's happens in games I watch. Sometimes the tackler gets the worse of it ( remember Gazza)

Mendez Laing survived worse at home to Leeds and Madine away at Leeds.



You seem obsessed by the issue of sending off. I wouldn't have complained if he had, as I have pointed out before, but the problem is people are trying to make out he went in to injure Sane and I don't agree. These days there doesn't seem to be much clarity on what is or isn't- it's just the refs opinion on the day.

As for Ndong then I didn't think that was a sending off at the time, but there is a nasty and dangerous trick some players make of intentionally hitting the top of the ball and following through.

It's a very cynical trick and something most honest players would never do and is intended to injure rather than to stop an opponent ( which was the case with Bennett)

If that was the case then it was far more dangerous and nasty than Bennett's tackle.

As for your 4 footballers 'at the game'. I've no idea if they were or what they said because I was there , not watching on TV, but I've already said what I think of their views.

I'd be a hypocrite if I said otherwise as I've probably done hundreds of tackles like Bennett's, never got sent of and by memory never seriously hurt anyone.

Lucky me

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You're exaggerating if you claim you've made that same cynical tackle hundreds of times. If you did, then you would also be indicating that those sorts of challenges happen practically every football game that's played. You always get a bit fanciful when defending something that is not defensible.

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

You aren't very good at tackling then Tim? :hehe:

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If what he said is true, he's not very good at football but, apparently, he knows more than professional players who are not managers. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

You are an apologist for an awful challenge. You even claimed it was not high, and that it wasn't so bad because Sane is back playing. Take a look at yourself and then come back with something a bit more civil as a response.

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And you are not aCardiff City supporter. You are anything but, you are always so negative about our club.

It’s you who needs to take a look at yourself.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Bennett may have been liking the subbed on for Man City bit, rather than making a point.

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You're right. People can be too quick to see a negative. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Nick

And you are not aCardiff City supporter. You are anything but, you are always so negative about our club.

It’s you who needs to take a look at yourself.

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Nodded along to all of that.

I need a lie down.

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Originally Posted by Nick

And you are not aCardiff City supporter. You are anything but, you are always so negative about our club.

It’s you who needs to take a look at yourself.

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How does any of that invalidate what I said? I'm here to talk football, you are here to cause arguments. Take more water with it.

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

How does any of that invalidate what I said? I'm here to talk football, you are here to cause arguments. Take more water with it.

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No, you are in here to slag off anything to do with City.

You are exactly what you used to hate.

Feckin weird

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

First rule of defending-Stay on your feet-And if you're going to foul, also stay on your feet!

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You can't stay on your feet if the striker is quicker than you. 😉

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

You're exaggerating if you claim you've made that same cynical tackle hundreds of times. If you did, then you would also be indicating that those sorts of challenges happen practically every football game that's played. You always get a bit fanciful when defending something that is not defensible.

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How the f'ck do you know.
I've played hundreds of parks gam s from 15-32 in leagues in South Wales and the Midlands.
Also played something like 2000 games of 5s, mostly before the 'no sliding' rule was brought in to my disgust. Still play now.
I received dozens of bookings for taking opponents out and also won loads of ball sliding in - hundreds of times, hence why one lad called me 'Lawnmower ' - thus my user name.

Only ever sent off for saving a shot with my hand, never for fouls.

So yes, I can talk about this through experience.

As for being 'good' or not, I guess that depends who you compare me with.
It doesn't really matter.

My opinion is formed from being an experienced hard tackling defender and City fan.

Yours just comes from being someone who hangs out on the board of a football club and fans who you hate.

Like watching a load of your ex mates shag your ex girlfriend who you left because she died her hair ginger and now she's back to being blonde you can't stop yourself from stalking her 😂😂

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

How the f'ck do you know.
I've played hundreds of parks gam s from 15-32 in leagues in South Wales and the Midlands.
Also played something like 2000 games of 5s, mostly before the 'no sliding' rule was brought in to my disgust. Still play now.
I received dozens of bookings for taking opponents out and also won loads of ball sliding in - hundreds of times, hence why one lad called me 'Lawnmower ' - thus my user name.

Only ever sent off for saving a shot with my hand, never for fouls.

So yes, I can talk about this through experience.

As for being 'good' or not, I guess that depends who you compare me with.
It doesn't really matter.

My opinion is formed from being an experienced hard tackling defender and City fan.

Yours just comes from being someone who hangs out on the board of a football club and fans who you hate.

Like watching a load of your ex mates shag your ex girlfriend who you left because she died her hair ginger and now she's back to being blonde you can't stop yourself from stalking her ����

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:hehe::hehe::thumbup:

Are we really comparing paths football from 20-30 years ago with the top level of today’s game?

Jesus Christ

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

No, you are in here to slag off anything to do with City.

You are exactly what you used to hate.

Feckin weird

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What do you think I used to "hate"? How do you think you know me so well - do you think Cardiff fans are bees and all behave one way. And why has this turned into a personal insult - are you scared to debate the topic because you are floundering?

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

How the f'ck do you know.
I've played hundreds of parks gam s from 15-32 in leagues in South Wales and the Midlands.
Also played something like 2000 games of 5s, mostly before the 'no sliding' rule was brought in to my disgust. Still play now.
I received dozens of bookings for taking opponents out and also won loads of ball sliding in - hundreds of times, hence why one lad called me 'Lawnmower ' - thus my user name.

Only ever sent off for saving a shot with my hand, never for fouls.

So yes, I can talk about this through experience.

As for being 'good' or not, I guess that depends who you compare me with.
It doesn't really matter.

My opinion is formed from being an experienced hard tackling defender and City fan.

Yours just comes from being someone who hangs out on the board of a football club and fans who you hate.

Like watching a load of your ex mates shag your ex girlfriend who you left because she died her hair ginger and now she's back to being blonde you can't stop yourself from stalking her ����

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And yet you discount the experience of seasoned internationals, some of whom have played for the best clubs in Europe. I've played the game too.

As for your assumption about why I stop going to Cardiff games - it is wholly inaccurate. I stopped because Tan turned fan against fan. But, let's get back to the topic (instead of trying to deflect from it).

So, because you have experience as a "tough tackling" defender - everybody else's opinion is invalid? Or, is it just the opinions that you don't agree with that are invalid? And you talk as a "City fan" - that makes you biased.

I see you've also assumed that I haven't played the game. What's that based on - ignorance or stupidity?

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Are we really comparing paths football from 20-30 years ago with the top level of today’s game?

Jesus Christ

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"Lawnmower" (apparently he got that nickname from being unable to stay on his feet) is the Parks equivalent of Miguel Nadal and, unless you have turned out for a Parks team, your opinion is invalid. That is, of course, unless you agree with the blinkered fool.

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

How the f'ck do you know.
I've played hundreds of parks gam s from 15-32 in leagues in South Wales and the Midlands.
Also played something like 2000 games of 5s, mostly before the 'no sliding' rule was brought in to my disgust. Still play now.
I received dozens of bookings for taking opponents out and also won loads of ball sliding in - hundreds of times, hence why one lad called me 'Lawnmower ' - thus my user name.

Only ever sent off for saving a shot with my hand, never for fouls.

So yes, I can talk about this through experience.

As for being 'good' or not, I guess that depends who you compare me with.
It doesn't really matter.

My opinion is formed from being an experienced hard tackling defender and City fan.

Yours just comes from being someone who hangs out on the board of a football club and fans who you hate.

Like watching a load of your ex mates shag your ex girlfriend who you left because she died her hair ginger and now she's back to being blonde you can't stop yourself from stalking her 😂😂

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Hard but fair. 🤣🤣🤣

For his own sanity BIS should move on.

His gloating after our defeat to the wurzels minutes after the final whistle was a low.

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

Your 4 ex footballers were commenting on the TV pictures.
I don't know or care what they said.
If any of them had a clue they would be managers now, between them they've had a fair few opportunities.

I'd be a hypocrite if I was to take the lines that many have and sttaced Bennett.

I've done similar to him hundreds of times and never been sent off for it. Sometimes I won the ball sometimes I didn't, I don't remember ever seriously hurting a player, it's mostly ended up with the player tripping over my leg and getting up again.
As is normally the case when it's happens in games I watch. Sometimes the tackler gets the worse of it ( remember Gazza)

Mendez Laing survived worse at home to Leeds and Madine away at Leeds.



You seem obsessed by the issue of sending off. I wouldn't have complained if he had, as I have pointed out before, but the problem is people are trying to make out he went in to injure Sane and I don't agree. These days there doesn't seem to be much clarity on what is or isn't- it's just the refs opinion on the day.

As for Ndong then I didn't think that was a sending off at the time, but there is a nasty and dangerous trick some players make of intentionally hitting the top of the ball and following through.

It's a very cynical trick and something most honest players would never do and is intended to injure rather than to stop an opponent ( which was the case with Bennett)

If that was the case then it was far more dangerous and nasty than Bennett's tackle.

As for your 4 footballers 'at the game'. I've no idea if they were or what they said because I was there , not watching on TV, but I've already said what I think of their views.

I'd be a hypocrite if I said otherwise as I've probably done hundreds of tackles like Bennett's, never got sent of and by memory never seriously hurt anyone.

Lucky me

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Sorry, I lost the will to live for a couple of days. I'm finding it really hard to keep you on topic here. I mention the Bennett challenge and you reply with an essay about everything else. I mention the challenge again and you reply with an essay about everything else. I mention it again and you say I'm obsessed with it. Bizarre.

I can only assume that you still haven't watched the incident back. I saw you make a fool of yourself on here the night after the game when you told TLG that it wasn't a high challenge because Bennett caught Sane on the ankle. TLG was surprised that you were trying to debate an incident that you obviously hadn't seen properly, I guessed you'd watch it back so you didn't get shown up again but I can't see any evidence of that. You still talk about it, teary-eyed, as though it was a good old-fashioned slide tackle but it was nothing of the sort. Not any kind of a trip either. It was more like a low level kung fu kick. Here it is, not that you'll watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loJ46TGOe7k

I know you like to defend the club and its players on here, and that's fine, but it's not necessary on this occasion. Warnock has already (belatedly) condemned the 'tackle' and I'm sure everyone at the club, Joe included, realises it should've been a red card. It's not an attack or an accusation to say it, more a statement of fact.

Take another example, Grujic played two terrible passes yesterday. That's not an attack on him (he had an excellent game), just a fact. I don't need you to provide a character assessment of him to prove he didn't mean them, I don't need you to explain what he was trying to do, I don't need a list of other bad passes you've seen to show that they weren't the worst passes of the season, I don't need you to tell me about the passes you used to play in the parks. They were bad passes just as Bennett's was a bad challenge. That's it.

I had a good view of it at the time, I saw it as a red but can understand why others didn't, it happened so fast. There's excellent footage and everyone, even Warnock, came to accept that it was a bad one. Except you, one of the best posters on here. I'm not obsessed with it, just amazed by your detachment from reality on the subject. It must be one of the weirdest things I've come across on here and that's a very crowded field.

Loramski.
I'm not meaning to be rude, but I'm not going to read all that. Long posts don't go well on my phone.

I've made my point and it's really no biggie if you don't agree.

I respect your opinion ( although not all that have disagreed with me) and want now to just enjoy the exciting few weeks we have to come.

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