2, only 2, we’ve played 34 games and we are where we are on merit. You meanwhile are a sad carrot crunching clown who doesn’t know when he’s beaten. Now bore off there’s a good little boy.
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2, only 2, we’ve played 34 games and we are where we are on merit. You meanwhile are a sad carrot crunching clown who doesn’t know when he’s beaten. Now bore off there’s a good little boy.
Interesting that you reply to this post and not my other one where I mention comments by Jokanovic (I listened to little Lee's presser just now and he still insists you play better against teams like Fulham..is Jokanovic lying then or is Lee deluded?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
Fair play league
Opta long ball stats.
.... come on then....let's have a reply.
It's a football forum, I like debating football, I will reply to you properly if you have respect for yourself and actually try doing the same.
Wonderfully articulate. Something tells me you aren’t an Oxbridge man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Auntie Andy
Anyway the point - which seems to have passed you by - is that to not be accused of picking out specific games to make a point I’ll select your last 2.
Are there just two?
Man City? What did people say about Cardiff and Warnock after that?
Forest? Their comments?
Barnsley? How about Heckingbottom’s view that something needs to be done about the underhand tactics of Cardiff?
Wolves? How did their fans and manager react to the game at Molineux?
I pointed out Ipswich and Boro because they were the two games preceding the one we played.
So if (according to some on here) the reason the game was so dire is because of us - why is it the third game in a row the national media has referred to an awful, dire game not one that has entertainment quality?
It’s not us it’s everyone else right?
When are you going to be at least honest with yourselves and admit it’s you and there is a reason so many people nationally don’t like Cardiff?
Because I think really you know it’s not just me.
How can you moan about our style of play after watching the dirge you lot coughed up yesterday?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
You keep obsessing over how we play, while you look up at us from 13 points below.
Fair play
Opta long ball stats.
Jokanovic.
Let's deal with it as we see it. We aren't a great footballing side, we do play percentages, and put the ball into positions where mistakes are more likely to be made, is it pretty-not really, will there be a positive legacy to the way we play-I doubt it-Does it yield results-Absolutely. In fairness, we have a very good defence, and a couple of decent footballers in Zohore and Hoilett, so it's not all disruption football. Now, over to you and the countless other purists, whether they be pundits or fans. Your teams can't deal with it, you don't have the ability or character (apart from Fulham)to match us and earn the right to beat us, that's your clubs problem. The way people talk, you'd have thought we were assaulting teams into submission, acting in an underhand way, like we possess some kind of special formula, well, we sort of do-Neil Warnock-And he's been doing it for over thirty years at this level, and it works. Football fans seem to have a sense of entitlement these days, students of the game who lap up the reams of bullshit printed and put out on the net, didn't happen 15 years ago, we just got on with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
All that has happened is that we play in a way which is incredibly committed and to the point, you and most of the rest can't match it, because you lack character and belief, and your players are a bit intimidated. It's down to your manager, staff and players to counter it, we're doing nothing wrong. Take a look at the Character and belief of your own players, magical against the superstars-looking good on TV, but bottle merchants when it comes down to business.
Pedro de la Rosa gave you a reasoned response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
We know what we are about.
The commentators you refer to have made remarks to our detriment. We can't do anything about that.
However, the statistics show something which goes against much of what has been said and written, not only about US, but about YOU.
Johnson has made people believe that he has created a team playing the kind of football that Barcelona would put their name to. The stats suggest otherwise.
The good showings you made against Man City (quite clearly not the norm if these stats are to be believed) seem to back Johnson's spin but at the end of the day, you lost both games.
You played a different style to those two games against us, and again, you lost the game.
You and your fans are all being conned by your sycophantic manager and some of media rhetoric which has followed Warnock everywhere he has managed.
Just be honest and admit that he, and you, are nothing special.
Whether you will or not, the statistics don't lie.....including the points difference between our teams, all thirteen of them.
"articulate"
From the guy who spelt his username wrong when he signed up here.
Dembe likes this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
(We need some way on here of showing people a positive reaction to good posts)
I'll admit it. We're 5hit at football. But we're in 2nd place on 67 points, so clearly being 5hit at football is the best way to win games. I agree Bristol City are the 2nd best team after Wolves who are a lot better than Barcelona. I can't understand how a team as good as Bristol City can be so good yet end up 13 points behind such a 5hit football team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
Lets compare the last 6 games -
Cardiff beat Leeds, Bolton, Boro, Ipswich and Bristol City whilst drawing against Millwall Total 16 points. (+8 GD)
Bristol beat QPR, drew with Sunderland, Leeds and Fulham and lost against Bolton and Cardiff. Total 6 points. (0 GD)
Just add to the mix Wolves - They've beaten Sheff Utd, QPR and Ipswich, drawn with Norwich and PNE and lost to Fulham. Total 11 points (0 GD)
It would appear your brilliant football is holding you back. At least you can hold your heads high that everyone in the world knows you're being hard done by and you're the next best thing since Bristol Rovers.
There we are, you can run off home now, safe in the knowledge that you truly are the best team in the division but still can't win games.
Thankyou! I actually like football to be played in a certain way, and at time, when watching City, i'm pulling my hair out, but i'm not dismissive towards the way we play. Warnock is shoving it up the arse of all of the cry baby fans and pundits who seem to think that there is only one way to play, and good for him, the amount of snobbery attached to football opinion these days is beyond belief. We've got Wolves fans forgetting the time they had Stephen Hunt and Karl Henry kicking **** out of anything that moved-or didn't, and are now on some kind of evangelical roll, as if the past never happened. They can all ****off. The issue is that other fans can't deal with the fact that they've been out fought, and their team doesn't possess the will or ability to give some back and do a job on us. They search for excuses, the sign of a weak mind. It's 11v11, we don't get any preferential treatment, we're just prepared to work harder and play in a way that knocks teams out of their stride-that's it, no science or witchcraft. Football is a bit like life, you deal what's in front of you, do your best to overcome the challenge, not hide behind lame excuses because you didn't fancy it or weren't up to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
If there was a post of the week award, this would win it. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I was pulling my hair out at times yesterday as the game of heading tennis went on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Even apologised to my daughter because I swore (she didn't notice was happy watching Bamba do his thing)
I've seen us pass it about a few times this season, it's not that we can't play that way like every other fan of every other team thinks, but we play the percentage game and it's getting us points.
Our lot left it all on the pitch yesterday.
Was happy to see Halford and in particular Feeney, have good games.
How that dwarf can ramble on beats me, feeney on his own ran at them numerous times it wasn't all hoof and head.
:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
(We need some way on here of showing people a positive reaction to good posts)
Get it done please Mike.
Completely agree, i'll say this now, sometimes it's awful, but how can I moan at a manager that is getting a tune out of the likes of Feeney, Halford etc, or bringing in a player that hasn't played for six months (Connolly) and there's no sulking from him, just commitment to the cause, no hiding, even when he knows that he's on his way out and unlikely to feature much this season. It shows me that Warnock has got them all on board, which is incredible. There's nothing positive from the media or other fans, when infact, what we are witnessing is a group of pretty average players working to a system, belief and togetherness that other clubs and supporters would die for, they're jealous.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
If this was American Football they would make a Hollywood movie about it.. all jokes aside..yes completely agree with all of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Halford gets stick on social media, Feeney gets berated by our own on here and they both slot in and do a job.
Connolly did a job even if on the odd occasion he looked a little awkward (struggling to put over what I mean here)
He got carded early on though and STILL didn't stop attempting to win the ball.
Listened to Hoilett on ifollow and he can't say enough about Warnock and his man management.
And with the rotation, nobody seems to sulk, they must feel valued, it's a credit to Warnock. The football is what it is, I've decided not to harp on about it too much now and concentrate on the other factors that are bringing us success, like togetherness and spirit. We're nailed for the play-offs, and people are starting to talk about us again-it may all end in tears (it usually does) but there's no denying that 'Cardiff are back' :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Yep, just enjoy the ride!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
You lot are obsessed with what people think. Guardiola loved how we played but hates the Cardiff style. It's embarrassing like little Lee buying an expensive bottle of wine for mourinho and telling everyone about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
**** guardiola I'm glad he didn't enjoy it here, too many have over the last few years.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
That bottle of wine statement by Li'l Lee was truly cringeworthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
The apple for teacher so he would say nice things about him in his school report.
:puke:
You summed it up nicely.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
The man is a laughing stock. He thinks that by covering his arse he can cover people's eyes with the proverbial wool. He thinks denial of all wrong doing and massaging it like Peter Mandelson /Alistair Campbell in 2005, or Cameron / Osborne in 2010, is still effective in 2018. It used to be called "Public Relations" excercise techniques; painting black as white, or presenting a rotten whore as a puritanical virgin. In the age of data, open analysis and live videos on Youtube this behaviour is rapidly becoming so ineffective that it is borderline useless. You can hoodwink once or twice, but once the cracks in your foundation are visible you can longer present it as rock-solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth
The average Colin in the street can now read through this sort of thing. For such a young man his methods are increasingly out of date. Far better this days it to admit, acknowledge and illustrate how you are going to correct it, based on your guiding values. Contrition and honesty shows accountability and credibility. He will soon learn he needs to adapt quickly, or he will soon be competing with Bellamy for the gig at Oxford United.
Because that’s my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bob Banker Spanker
I believe we got dragged down into playing the Cardiff way against Cardiff.
Now why did we do that?
Johnson said he didn’t send the team out to play that way, that’s part of his frustration last night. He said “if we don’t perform but we play the way I want the game played then it’s my fault but don’t go out there and play like they do, because that’s not what I want.”
Now I think it’s a bit of both.
He set the team out to combat Cardiff. Playing 2 big men and dropping back Bobby Reid - arguably technically the best player on the pitch on his day - into a less effective role.
Then dropping Paterson and Ryan Kent to the bench to accommodate more physical players.
So while I take Lee at his word that he didn’t want them matching Cardiff’s kick and rush game, I don’t think he gave that message to the players picking the formation and team he did.
So yes I can comment on Cardiff’s style of play - this was their 3rd game in a row where the national media have referred to the game as dire and awful.
Because I think we got dragged down to their level and I think it is our fault we did that.
Johnson still has my confidence though.
Opta stats for long ballQuote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
Jokanovic comments after Fulham Bristol game
Fair play league.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
Win first
Debate the finer points afterwards at leisure
Move on to the next game
Sempur sursum
I - like thousands of others - watch the team every week. Not just when we are on TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
Do you think Johnson could tell me I am watching something I’m not?
Johnson is hanging his players out to dry desperately trying to hold on to his job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
His players, fans and the media (those worth their salt) will only put up with these excuses for so long.
Pathetic really as he has talked you up all season when in reality you were massively over-achieving.
The man is floundering and will reap what he sows.
https://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/spor...after-14321866Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
And your very own local rag
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/...fulham-1247917
"Like a game of rugby"
Not the game Shorty claimed it was when he says he plays better against "other footballing sides"
He's taking you down next season.
Why do you always answer a question with a question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
You have vented your spleen about us ignoring statistics to follow your own agenda.There have been some well thought out replies to you which have clearly diminished many of your statements about CCFC.You have been asked for replies on various points but studiously have avoided these issues.
My conclusion from this is that your ability to debate in a balanced way is clearly beyond your intelligence level or that you are nothing other than a WUM with nothing better to do to amuse yourself.
In answer to your question regarding Johnson I personally think the answer is yes bearing in mind the diatribe you write on here.
Well if those two articles don't shut the deluded imbecile up then nothing will :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
He's conveniently avoided other points so I thought I'd embarrass the idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
So, we made you play badly, thanks, that's a massive compliment. Threw you away from your normal fast flowing style and reduced you to puppets with the strings firmly fixed to Neil Warnocks hands, and you changed formation because you weren't confident enough to play your 'usual' game. Maybe a lack of self belief, fear, or both from your manager. Concentrate on your players and manager, they're the ones who let you down yesterday, I like compliments, but lets be honest, we didn't make you do anything that you didn't want to do, you just weren't up to it. Be a man and admit it, there's no shame in saying that the best man won, which is what happened at your place earlier in the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
How did you get dragged down to our level when you started 4 centre backs, dropped your best attacker into midfield and played two lumps up top. If anything, you dragged it down to new depths. We've not been referred to as a rugby side, would you like to comment on that? Or the fact you've played more long balls than anyone else. Even the Bristol Post has admitted as such. Lee Johnson talks a good game but he's actually a liar who's trying to cover his own backside as they got soundly beaten. You tried to kick and punch your way to victory, and you failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
We know we're ugly at times. Unfortunately for you the stats suggest you are as well. We have also won all 3 of those games 1-0, which suggests we're pretty good at battling and scrapping it out which bodes well for the rest of the season.
At the end of the day, Jurrset, points count in the latter third of the season. We've been picking them up, you haven't. Also, re your Johnson comment, you were on strike about this time last season :hehe:.
I’m not interested in personal insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Some replies on here have been decent, others have been of the level of the poorly educated.
Insults don’t interest me.
Ask me to debate a point on football or the teams and I’ll be happy to do so.
His job isn’t remotely under threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
He wasn’t sacked when we were in the bottom 3 losing 10 games in a row last season.
If you think Lansdown is going to sack him partway through the project when we sit 6th and have run to the SF of the league cup defeating 4 Premier League sides in the process?
I haven’t heard a single person calling for Johnson’s removal this season. Nor should they.
But you won't and you don't-you simply avoid with weak nonsense like the quoted reply. Man up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
If you read my prior point I agree we made errors in selection and formation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
I would have played Reid up top partnered by Diedhiou.
Diony wouldn’t have started.
I would have played Ryan Kent on the wing with Paterson behind the front 2.
That didn’t happen because we tried to out muscle a side that play cynical base level football every week.
It was a stupid thing to do.
We almost got a point but I’d hold the same view if we did.
Hello Jurrset. I've made some valid points about you playing the most long balls in the division (which is a fact), the fact Jokanovic called you a rugby team, as well as the fact you made the game on Saturday a foul-fiesta, as well as your initial kick off was a hoof straight down field. You played 4 centre halves (the left back was especially dreadful by the way) and two lumps (who couldn't trap a bag of cement). Please discuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
Again you quote one post and ignore one with points raised in...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
Clearly can't debate, WUM.
So again...
https://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/spor...after-14321866
And your very own local rag
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/...fulham-1247917
"Like a game of rugby"
Not the game Shorty claimed it was when he says he plays better against "other footballing sides"
He's taking you down next season