Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

The people on here attacking Corbyn for not rushing in and blaming Russia for the Salisbury false flag operation are complete and utter morons.

Corbyn is just saying that we need to follow the rules of the Chemical Weapons Convention. There is a protocol to be followed when it is suspected that chemical weapons have been used. It looks as if May has ignored this protocol.

It is interesting to note that Israel is one of the few countries (along with North Korea) not to ratify the Chemical Weapons Convention.

According to The Mail several Labour MPs (all Labour Friends of Israel as far as I can see) have signed an early day motion stating "This house unequivocally accepts the Russian state’s culpability for the poisoning of Yulia and Sergey Skripal."

Here is an interesting link to Israeli interference in our affairs :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Secretary.html

They will stop at nothing to get what they want.

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If you haven't yet, listen to a podcast with Bill Browder talking about the Magnitsky Act (he's done a few). That's all about freezing out the oligarchs with the knock on effect of massively impacting Putin's own fortunes.

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I have seen this. Interesting past but I can't help dislike the guy, predatory capitalism is his game and he 'lost' (he didn't realise that some people follow a different set of rules).

I am no fan of Corbin (and I have never voted for the Labour party) but his line on this subject isn't unreasonable. By just taking May's word that the Russians were at fault would mean that our MP's are in no stronger a position than members of the Duma swallowing whole the words of Putin.
The Russians probably are at fault and they probably care not a jot that they can be fingered for it whilst still denying it.
However, there is a case for natural justice based on evidence - and the Leader of the Opposition and other NATO leaders should be privy to that evidence even if it is too sensitive to promulgate widely.

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Seeing as the paranoia on this goes back to Blair's Dodgy Dossier on WMD, lets go back to that situation compared to this one.
In Iraq - we thought he had WMD based on 3rd party information which was never confirmed or corroborated. It almopst became a mass hysteria event - when we were never 100% sure as we were relying on another countrys' assessment.

Roll on to 2018 - An attack has happened, the material did exist , as confirmed by Portland Down, a unit specially designed for this scenario.

So it comes down to trust - do we trust a group of UK men that act as a group when testing for chemical materials - or so we think they have all collectively made it up?

The next question is - was it Russia - we will never know (and Putin knows this). Even if we had video footage of someone putting the nerve agent into his car - or at the grave stone of his son etc - they would deny it and blame an unknown 3rd party.

Who do you trust basically - I get the premise of Corbyns argument, I think though you maybe need to use the balance of probability. Lets see what develops - my guess - is a bit of tit for tat - and that'll be it

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It seemed obvious that this was going to grow into something big, due to the carefully laid out media narrative. If it was a football match, the build up was like a beautiful Manchester City goal, which just required a tap in at the end of it. However, I think Corbyn wanted to see a 30-yard Ronaldo pile-driver, or Messi dribbling past the entire opposition team twice before getting down on his knees and scoring with his head.

Latest update. Russia to play tit-for-tat, and accuse May of trying to divert attention away from EU woes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43412702

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Originally Posted by Mambo

I guess we just need to look for someone with the words secret agent on his jacket.

You dont know who did it and never will - all you have is your own judgement (how good that is - only you know).

It appears to be Russia, the chemicals came from Russia, we have no idea it was a Russian who did it etc or someone trying to destabilise Putin (hard to believe that one)

The problem as I see it - is that Russia doesnt give a f uck about anything we try and do or say. We are getting the same level of humiliation they had when they collapsed back in the 1990's. The fact they are knocking off double agents in the UK is taking the p1ss a bit though.

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'It appears to be Russia,' you state in one paragraph, then in the very next you typed: 'The fact they are knocking off double agents in the UK...' You took capriciousness to high level there.

You also wrote: 'the chemicals came from Russia'. Russia destroyed their chemical weapons arsenal which was verified by an international body. As the Russian UN envoy bloke said at the UN, for the UK to be able to pinpoint the nerve agent used in Salisbury then it must know the chemical formula to create it. The implication is the UK or anyone else who can identify it can also produce it themselves.

The UK Defence Secretary, yet another - ding, ding - Conservative Friends of Israel member, appeared at the very shadowy (probably Soros funded) Policy Exchange press conference this morning flanked by two huge Union Flags. He spoke like an immature spewdent who's way out of his depth. Here's a short snippet of what the fool said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMPkG1U54W8

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The people on here attacking Corbyn for not rushing in and blaming Russia for the Salisbury false flag operation are complete and utter morons.

Corbyn is just saying that we need to follow the rules of the Chemical Weapons Convention. There is a protocol to be followed when it is suspected that chemical weapons have been used. It looks as if May has ignored this protocol.

It is interesting to note that Israel is one of the few countries (along with North Korea) not to ratify the Chemical Weapons Convention.

According to The Mail several Labour MPs (all Labour Friends of Israel as far as I can see) have signed an early day motion stating "This house unequivocally accepts the Russian state’s culpability for the poisoning of Yulia and Sergey Skripal."

Here is an interesting link to Israeli interference in our affairs :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Secretary.html

They will stop at nothing to get what they want.

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Not attacking him on this point ( he has a point actually ) its his general silence on all things Russian that worries me .

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Radio 5 political 'guru' said it is Parliamentary protocol for the opposition to agree with the Govt on matters such as this. Any debate then happens later when members can voice any concerns etc. But seeing as the MP behind Jezza had a copy of the 'morning star' communist daily newspaper on his lap, it seems pretty obvious times have changed on the shadow front benches

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Yes I couldn't help think it was a deliberate point , knowing the cameras would pick it up ,pity he didn't have case notes relating to his consistencies concerns .

I've seen them far worse events with worse reading materials

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

'It appears to be Russia,' you state in one paragraph, then in the very next you typed: 'The fact they are knocking off double agents in the UK...' You took capriciousness to high level there.

You also wrote: 'the chemicals came from Russia'. Russia destroyed their chemical weapons arsenal which was verified by an international body. As the Russian UN envoy bloke said at the UN, for the UK to be able to pinpoint the nerve agent used in Salisbury then it must know the chemical formula to create it. The implication is the UK or anyone else who can identify it can also produce it themselves.

The UK Defence Secretary, yet another - ding, ding - Conservative Friends of Israel member, appeared at the very shadowy (probably Soros funded) Policy Exchange press conference this morning flanked by two huge Union Flags. He spoke like an immature spewdent who's way out of his depth. Here's a short snippet of what the fool said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMPkG1U54W8

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We are just being used as bait by the Israeli/USA/Saudi evil axis. They are hoping Russia will nuke us so that they can retaliate. I remember the nuclear threat in 1963 and I feel just as frightened now. At least in the 60s we had politicians like Wilson who, for all his faults, kept us out of Vietnam despite the American pressure to to join them in that stupid war. Today we only have idiots like that silly 6th form clown to protect us. They are worse traitors to the UK than the Russian spy was to his country.

I can't work out the role of the policeman in this false flag op. Did he find out something or did he see someone he shouldn't have? If he did then I fear he will get the David Kelly treatment. They can hide the Russians for ever because they will say it is for their own safety, but the policeman will be open to questions if he lives. That might be inconvenient for somebody.

Dai, you ought to be more concerned about the vice squad raiding the Quaintly Quim knocking shop while you're cuffed to the bedstead in the back room having your arse thrashed.

It's always the loose ends that get you ...

Flowers, selfies and fist bumps from Theresa May as she visited the scene of the chemical attack in Salisbury. It would be easy for people to think that she's loving all this :biggrin:

And no talk of closing the London playground to the Russian billionaires who now own a good deal of it. This would drive the point home more than sending a few diplomats back. But hang on Tory government giving rich people their marching orders? Hmm; silly idea.

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Couldnt help but have a chuckle, Jezza 'condemning' the Russian 'situation , while a Labour MP Chris Williamson sits
behind him with a copy of the Communist Worker on his lap. :shrug:


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I suppose the Tory equivalent would be one of their MPs having a copy of The Daily Express or Daily Mail in full view

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I suppose the Tory equivalent would be one of their MPs having a copy of The Daily Express or Daily Mail in full view

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Or the Torys accepts huge donations from Russians.

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Or the Torys accepts huge donations from Russians.

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Do other parties accept dubious donations or have questionable contact and of the so called dodgy donations how many of them are UK citizens, we could stop all donations including the advantageous ones received by the unions to Labour , whose motives one could question as being the same ( pay , to gain influence ).

I would favour no donation , strict set funding from the public purse ,ceasation of snap elections , 6 year terms all to save money .

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Do other parties accept dubious donations or have questionable contact and of the so called dodgy donations how many of them are UK citizens, we could stop all donations including the advantageous ones received by the unions to Labour , whose motives one could question as being the same ( pay , to gain influence ).

I would favour no donation , strict set funding from the public purse ,ceasation of snap elections , 6 year terms all to save money .

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Hardly the same in this context, we are talking about RUSSIA.

Has anyone from the right-wing media pointed out the fact that the Tories cut £129 million from the unit that's responsible for chemical weapons defence, and axed 319 staff? Or is it easier to just blame Jeremy Corbyn for everything?

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Hardly the same in this context, we are talking about RUSSIA.

Has anyone from the right-wing media pointed out the fact that the Tories cut £129 million from the unit that's responsible for chemical weapons defence, and axed 319 staff? Or is it easier to just blame Jeremy Corbyn for everything?

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Your right no blame on JC or connection to Russian money my point is one for all parties and I guess if you studied every donation to each party a number of them would flag up (why fund this party )

Large fundings are made to gain inluence within a party, or gain political change ,
It can't be down to love of the party , that can only come from individual annual fees of true members .

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Dai, you ought to be more concerned about the vice squad raiding the Quaintly Quim knocking shop while you're cuffed to the bedstead in the back room having your arse thrashed.

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That reminded of my first wife. She inflicted pain with the enthusiasm of the most athletic dominatrix but without any of the concomitant eroticism. In fact, she didn't like that kind thing. She often threatened to have me chemically castrated. If we were still married then all this week I'd have been made to sit on a bench in Salisbury town centre.

I'm still laughing at Lardy's suggestion that we should listen to Bill Browder's podcasts. For those of us who have taken the red pill he is one of the main suspects behind this false flag op.

Tyrants almost always gain and consolidate their power by being the "great protector" against some internal or external threat.

It makes complete sense to me that this has played out in this way. Russia poisons a man and his daughter, who was previously spying on the Russians, using a Russian made poison. They know that the British and other Western politicians will have to react to this with confrontational terms, but are hardly going to be able to do anything in practical terms.
Then Putin can deny responsibility, make out that the west are out to get them, look strong standing up to the evil west. This is the kind of thing that keeps an oppressive regime in power.
Their line also gets taken up by the legions of useful idiots who think that the global elite is engineering their lives, a classic misdirection that Russia are so fond of. It generates doubt and dissent that reduces the effectiveness of any response that the west can take.

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Tyrants almost always gain and consolidate their power by being the "great protector" against some internal or external threat.

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You are saying Putin's motive is to consolidate power. But he doesn't need to do this. He can walk the elections because he is very popular with the voters. In the last election he got 64% of the vote and the nearest candidate got 17%.

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It makes complete sense to me that this has played out in this way.

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Are you under any medication at the moment? Nothing in May's claims about this affair make any sense unless it is a false flag op.or a mafia hit.

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Russia poisons a man and his daughter, who was previously spying on the Russians, using a Russian made poison.

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Why didn't they kill them when they were in Russia? They could have done it without any fuss.

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They know that the British and other Western politicians will have to react to this with confrontational terms, but are hardly going to be able to do anything in practical terms.

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They can and will do a lot to punish Russia. It is a PR disaster for Russia. Extra sanctions will seriously damage the Russian economy. The Americans and Israelis will get the green light from previously passive EU countries to step up their aggression in Syria and Eastern Europe. Do you see where this is heading? It is all about cui bono - who gains. Putin has nothing to gain from this but Israel and America now have an excuse to increase their predations.

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Then Putin can deny responsibility, make out that the west are out to get them, look strong standing up to the evil west. This is the kind of thing that keeps an oppressive regime in power.

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He can get elected without doing anything like that. What you are saying just doesn't make sense. Have you heard about Occam's Razor. You get a really nice shave.

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Their line also gets taken up by the legions of useful idiots who think that the global elite is engineering their lives, a classic misdirection that Russia are so fond of. It generates doubt and dissent that reduces the effectiveness of any response that the west can take.

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I'm afraid there is only one "useful idiot" here and I don't even think you are that useful.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Tyrants almost always gain and consolidate their power by being the "great protector" against some internal or external threat.

It makes complete sense to me that this has played out in this way. Russia poisons a man and his daughter, who was previously spying on the Russians, using a Russian made poison. They know that the British and other Western politicians will have to react to this with confrontational terms, but are hardly going to be able to do anything in practical terms.
Then Putin can deny responsibility, make out that the west are out to get them, look strong standing up to the evil west. This is the kind of thing that keeps an oppressive regime in power.
Their line also gets taken up by the legions of useful idiots who think that the global elite is engineering their lives, a classic misdirection that Russia are so fond of. It generates doubt and dissent that reduces the effectiveness of any response that the west can take.

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Crikey, even Nikki Haley would have blushed uttering that at the UN. Who exactly is Russia oppressing aside from the Western created and funded Muslim terrorists in Syria and elsewhere?

Entirely predictable the people who have swallowed the Putin approved version of events without question.

He's really popular BECAUSE HE DOES THINGS LIKE THIS.

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He's really popular BECAUSE HE DOES THINGS LIKE THIS.

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If you mean Putin , of course the Russians will be lapping it up , they loath us , we have provided an open gateway for Putin dissidents , spies , rich oligarchs to come in and get citizenship .

Pity Putin hasn't got one of those elections coming up with no opposition , or opposing candidates that are already in jail ,bit like their friends in Syria ,lovely pair all around .

Here is a piece written by a former British Ambassador. I neither accept or deny the contents. I'm sitting this one out.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...oped-by-liars/

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So any Russian that has money and wants to live here automatically works for the KGB ?
Is like any American who comes to the UK with money works for the CIA ?

I thought it was only UK nationals that can donate to political parties?

There are lots of Labour MPs blaming Corbyn for not following parliamentary protocol on this , some of them have even tabled a motion in commons supporting the Govt position. If you read the Guardian then see what Anna Turley and Nia Griffith (shadow defence secretary) has to say about JC.


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sergei-skripal
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...over-salisbury


And how is it that whenever there is a vote on Nato - JC votes against it, anything on America - he votes against it.
If anything with this - you now fully get the character of Corbyn. Perpetual demonstrator (he's had plenty of practice) , but as leader of a country, with a marxist as a chancellor..... oh deary me.

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He’s bloody right though isn’t he.

Vomit inducing

https://twitter.com/tomlondon6/statu...483359232?s=21

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Vomit inducing

https://twitter.com/tomlondon6/statu...483359232?s=21

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Don't be mean ..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYZBmFlVQAA9jP4.jpg

Is there any reason why the firefighters didn't require protective clothing and respirators to guard against exposure to the nerve agent?

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/7...,q_80/file.png

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Is there any reason why the firefighters didn't need any protective clothing and respirators to guard against exposure to the nerve agent?

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/7...,q_80/file.png

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Obvious what is going on here, the more public sector workers exposed to “Russian” :hehe: nerve gas, the better. Tory’s won’t have to pay their gold plated pensions.

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Firefighters wont be touching it, I'll give you a clue - it's the guys and gals in the brightly coloured suits and wellies that handle it

Rumour has it the same suits will be worn by The Arsenal when they play CSK Moscow in the champions league 1/4 finals.

I see that the Russian who was his mate has been murdered as well..... that was probably another random attack on a Russian :shrug::sherlock::hehe:

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But it’s the most deadliest chemical in the world :hehe:

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Vomit inducing

https://twitter.com/tomlondon6/statu...483359232?s=21

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Incredible

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Why dont you read up on the delivery method, how it becomes active, absorption into the body, half life of the compounds etc.

The advice by PHE was use baby wipes and wash your clothes , or you could just try breathing in deeply and see how you get on :hehe:

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Wow thanks for your advice :facepalm:

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Firefighters wont be touching it, I'll give you a clue - it's the guys and gals in the brightly coloured suits and wellies that handle it

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How's the doctor doing who gave mouth to mouth resuscitation at the scene?

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...wel-in-history

On a similar subject, here is an extract about the litvinenko murder, fascinating details.

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So any Russian that has money and wants to live here automatically works for the KGB ?
Is like any American who comes to the UK with money works for the CIA ?

I thought it was only UK nationals that can donate to political parties?

There are lots of Labour MPs blaming Corbyn for not following parliamentary protocol on this , some of them have even tabled a motion in commons supporting the Govt position. If you read the Guardian then see what Anna Turley and Nia Griffith (shadow defence secretary) has to say about JC.


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sergei-skripal
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...over-salisbury


And how is it that whenever there is a vote on Nato - JC votes against it, anything on America - he votes against it.
If anything with this - you now fully get the character of Corbyn. Perpetual demonstrator (he's had plenty of practice) , but as leader of a country, with a marxist as a chancellor..... oh deary me.

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JC he is a man of principal ,however and dislikes the western capitalist systems , the bigger and broader question , is he right for PM lead the country , could he carry that through , would he be at odd with western military strategy ; foreign policy , and agree with his front bench who be needed to drive a collective ploicy ( its not a dig at JC its a real question )

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JC he is a man of principal ,however and dislikes the western capitalist systems , the bigger and broader question , is he right for PM lead the country , could he carry that through , would he be at odd with western military strategy ; foreign policy , and agree with his front bench who be needed to drive a collective ploicy ( its not a dig at JC its a real question )

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No I’d rather have people like this running the country, every day of the week :facepalm:

https://twitter.com/russianembassy/s...595555840?s=21

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Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2

Superb post. Reading it again.
Have to agree. No way would Russia have used nerve agent.
It’s been made to look like a Russian act.
No evidence here like there was in the Litvinyenko murder. Just suspicion.

Show me the evidence.

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I heard an interview on SKY TV with the former President of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili, victim of an assasination attempt a few years ago.
He said that it was certain that Putin personally signed off the attack in Salisbury, encouraged by the weak U.K. response to the Litvinenko murder
Furthermore, the agent used was deliberately high-profile as a warning to other double agents, and to the West, of Russia's intent and lead in such weaponry.
The last time Saakashvili met Putin in the Kremlin, the Russian leader's parting remark was: " The West promises many good things but doesn't deliver, we don't promise good things but we deliver"!
We have been warned.

Oh, and we should have expelled 24 not 23 - to include Corbyn, it's where his true loyalties lie - always against the West.

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Is there any reason why the firefighters didn't require protective clothing and respirators to guard against exposure to the nerve agent?

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/7...,q_80/file.png

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Why would the people inside the safety cordon wear safety clothes while those outside the safety cordon don't?

It's a mystery, alright.

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Why would the people inside the safety cordon wear safety clothes while those outside the safety cordon don't?

It's a mystery, alright.

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Rather you than me mate, I'd be standing well away without my snorkel & goggles.