Gary Madine [or anyone who will see him before the morning]..

It was very well saved and the other very good striker missed badly .

He's no 6 million striker (if that is indeed the fee? ).

He is however dangerous , and as with the last game his on field presence was followed by much needed attacks into the oppostion penalty area, which was not happening previously in the game , when he came on , their keeper got very busy ,he's not a clever silky touch footballer ,he is more like Patterson ab effective in a raw way with good skills .

We bought him I suspect as we were outdone by agents in the transfer market ?

Perhaps Grabban, was used as bait , and he fancied a sexier English club move like Villa , was it a better bet for him only time will tell, fingers crossed its was a wrong move for him ??

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Penalties can be a lottery. Even though it was an awful spot kick - slow, just to the keeper's left - it is more for his total lack of effectiveness in matches that I criticise him. He got the 'assist' at Sheff. Utd, but rarely wins a header, has absolutely awful control, and gives away free kicks all the time, putting pressure back on the defence. IMHO he's a lower league player..

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So he didn't change our approach against Sheffield and give us a target? .

I'm off messageboards for a few days.

**** me some 'opinions' on here.

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So he didn't change our approach against Sheffield and give us a target? .

I'm off messageboards for a few days.

**** me some 'opinions' on here.

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What I cannot understand is......we have a right to criticise whoever we like. You can agree or disagree. But why people seem to think that everyone is above any criticisms is beyond me.

The team have been excellent this season and many of us have commented on how far lots of players have come heaping praise upon nearly all of them, but having perspective and context is healthy (everything can't be great all of the time!)

So pointing out that some players (actually only one, maybe two) have not been up to the standard of the others, is hardly a crime!

And why do people think that this is a knee jerk reaction after the first loss in ages? I commented on how poor I thought Madine has been after the Sheffield United game. And as for hurting players' feeling as they might read this message board...... :facepalm:

We have every right to pass comment, both good and bad, on the team and players (see Jonathan Pie!) especially those of us who have been put through the wringer over the years (last night was yet another twist on how Cardiff City can screw up).

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Originally Posted by Cyclops

I for one want to stay on his back.

Madine's rubbish.

And his missed penalty has nothing to do with this judgement. It's down to his stats: goals; assists; passing success and directed headers.

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Why am I not surprised by this post?. You cant wait to single out players and rubbish them. I am totally disgusted by the reaction to one defeat by the usual suspects on here. You know who you are. Most of you probably didn't even go to the game. Madine has only started three games, out if twelve played, since he came here in January and has come on as a sub five times. In those eight games we won five, drew two and only lost one (last night). He has worked hard and contributed in all the games he has been involved in. He has helped turn games on their head when he has come on, including Sheffield last Monday. You and others wouldn't know a good centre forward if he jumped up and bit you on the nose. Even if we dont win another game until May 6th, we will be in the play offs and have had an excellent season. Did you forecast that at the start of the season - no. Grow up all of you.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

What I cannot understand is......we have a right to criticise whoever we like. You can agree or disagree. But why people seem to think that everyone is above any criticisms is beyond me.

The team have been excellent this season and many of us have commented on how far lots of players have come heaping praise upon nearly all of them, but having perspective and context is healthy (everything can't be great all of the time!)

So pointing out that some players (actually only one, maybe two) have not been up to the standard of the others, is hardly a crime!

And why do people think that this is a knee jerk reaction after the first loss in ages? I commented on how poor I thought Madine has been after the Sheffield United game. And as for hurting players' feeling as they might read this message board...... :facepalm:

We have every right to pass comment, both good and bad, on the team and players (see Jonathan Pie!) especially those of us who have been put through the wringer over the years (last night was yet another twist on how Cardiff City can screw up).

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The trouble is - we havent 'screwed up' as you so kindly put it. Look at the table. We lost one game - first one in league since January 1st. We should have got a point and could have won. The vitriol on here from you and others is nothing short of disgraceful. Its indicative of people who cant accept defeat graciously, move on to the next game and see the wider picture.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

The trouble is - we havent 'screwed up' as you so kindly put it. Look at the table. We lost one game - first one in league since January 1st. We should have got a point and could have won. The vitriol on here from you and others is nothing short of disgraceful. Its indicative of people who cant accept defeat graciously, move on to the next game and see the wider picture.

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You have entirely missed my point.

Think about losing away at Preston 6-0 (I think it was), or drawing 4-4 away at Peterborough, when leading 0-4 at HT.

Cardiff City have a spectacular habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. History proves this, and last night was an even more remarkable twist.

We actually played well last night, especially in the first half, a deserved a draw, but the ineptitude shown at the end is truly embarrassing from so called professionals (manager and players btw)

We ALL make mistakes, I accept that. But the SAME mistake twice within 4 minutes!!!!

Wake up and get some perspective. It really is quite healthy.

I thought he should've taken the 2nd one tbh

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I thought he should've taken the 2nd one tbh

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Blame Bamba for that.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

You assume wrong. Bamba grabbed the ball and gave it to Hoilett.

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Which was a mistake and not for Bamba to decide anyway.

Hoilett is IMO our best player but should not be taking penalties. The ball ought to have been given to Pilks.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Why am I not surprised by this post?. You cant wait to single out players and rubbish them. I am totally disgusted by the reaction to one defeat by the usual suspects on here. You know who you are. Most of you probably didn't even go to the game. Even if we dont win another game until May 6th, we will be in the play offs and have had an excellent season.

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I'm appalled you don't want us to win another game - just to prove your point. And I wish I was able to get to the game - I'd be able to list in detail all of Madine's deficiencies.

I actually believe we should have kept Omar Bogle. He scored three times in 390 minutes of play. Remind me how many goals Gary's scored during his eight games for us.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

You have entirely missed my point.

Think about losing away at Preston 6-0 (I think it was), or drawing 4-4 away at Peterborough, when leading 0-4 at HT.

Cardiff City have a spectacular habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. History proves this, and last night was an even more remarkable twist.

We actually played well last night, especially in the first half, a deserved a draw, but the ineptitude shown at the end is truly embarrassing from so called professionals (manager and players btw)

We ALL make mistakes, I accept that. But the SAME mistake twice within 4 minutes!!!!

Wake up and get some perspective. It really is quite healthy.

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Me get some perspective !!. We would only have drawn the game even if the first penalty had gone in and then wouldnt have had the second. So we are one point worse off than we would have been. With the penalties, they were both totally different and taken by two different players, one was saved and the other hit the bar, so how is that the same mistake twice ?. Also what has what has happened in the past got anything to do with what happened last night. Do you think the players do it deliberately just to conform with the past

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Originally Posted by Cyclops

I'm appalled you don't want us to win another game - just to prove your point. And I wish I was able to get to the game - I'd be able to list in detail all of Madine's deficiencies.

I actually believe we should have kept Omar Bogle. He scored three times in 390 minutes of play. Remind me how many goals Gary's scored during his eight games for us.

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Your post is absolute b******s.

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Originally Posted by Cyclops

I'm appalled you don't want us to win another game - just to prove your point. And I wish I was able to get to the game - I'd be able to list in detail all of Madine's deficiencies.

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Pity he didn't say that, eh? I'm apalled you blatently lie - just to "prove" your point.

Madine's deficiencies, eh? Go on, let's have a laugh.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Pathetic thread. OP fickle football fan in all his glory. We’re all entitled to an opinion, but fu*k me, it’s soul destroying on here at times.

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Agree. One thing I can’t stand about football nowadays is when one of our players isn’t playing well they’re called “f•cking shit” by some fans.
I had one stood next to me last night. Stood there with his arms folded, no singing, no cheering or clapping, but the minute any of our players put a foot wrong, he’d suddenly spring into life shouting “for f•cks sake” and waving his arms round like a brat.

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Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas

Agree. One thing I can’t stand about football nowadays is when one of our players isn’t playing well they’re called “f•cking shit” by some fans.
I had one stood next to me last night. Stood there with his arms folded, no singing, no cheering or clapping, but the minute any of our players put a foot wrong, he’d suddenly spring into life shouting “for f•cks sake” and waving his arms round like a brat.

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Sorry I didn't say goodbye last night, good to see you!!

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Why am I not surprised by this post?. You cant wait to single out players and rubbish them. I am totally disgusted by the reaction to one defeat by the usual suspects on here. You know who you are. Most of you probably didn't even go to the game. Madine has only started three games, out if twelve played, since he came here in January and has come on as a sub five times. In those eight games we won five, drew two and only lost one (last night). He has worked hard and contributed in all the games he has been involved in. He has helped turn games on their head when he has come on, including Sheffield last Monday. You and others wouldn't know a good centre forward if he jumped up and bit you on the nose. Even if we dont win another game until May 6th, we will be in the play offs and have had an excellent season. Did you forecast that at the start of the season - no. Grow up all of you.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

You have entirely missed my point.

Think about losing away at Preston 6-0 (I think it was), or drawing 4-4 away at Peterborough, when leading 0-4 at HT.

Cardiff City have a spectacular habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. History proves this, and last night was an even more remarkable twist.

We actually played well last night, especially in the first half, a deserved a draw, but the ineptitude shown at the end is truly embarrassing from so called professionals (manager and players btw)

We ALL make mistakes, I accept that. But the SAME mistake twice within 4 minutes!!!!

Wake up and get some perspective. It really is quite healthy.

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Perhsps you should take heed of your final sentence yourself Bobby?

Some serious c#nts posting in this thread. Yeah, it was pretty raw missing two pens in quick succession- but why the feck Madine is getting the stick he’s getting is beyond me.

Do you not think he’s going to be devestated at missing that pen? His big move- desperate to make an impression, and he’s been given limited opportunity.

He’ll have read this thread- 100% guarantee this. I don’t care how thick skinned you are, it’s not nice seeing people write sh1te about you. Poor lads confidence will be in the gutter now.

For what it’s worth- I think Madine has done ok since he joined us. He was never going to score 30 a season, but he was brought in for a specific role. Softened the worzel d fenders up first half nicely. Good headed assist against she’d utd.

6 games left. Injury time against wolves was as sh1t as it gets, but we CANNOT turn on ANY of the players now. They need 100% support and backing- and that includes Madine.

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Some serious c#nts posting in this thread. Yeah, it was pretty raw missing two pens in quick succession- but why the feck Madine is getting the stick he’s getting is beyond me.

Do you not think he’s going to be devestated at missing that pen? His big move- desperate to make an impression, and he’s been given limited opportunity.

He’ll have read this thread- 100% guarantee this. I don’t care how thick skinned you are, it’s not nice seeing people write sh1te about you. Poor lads confidence will be in the gutter now.

For what it’s worth- I think Madine has done ok since he joined us. He was never going to score 30 a season, but he was brought in for a specific role. Softened the worzel d fenders up first half nicely. Good headed assist against she’d utd.

6 games left. Injury time against wolves was as sh1t as it gets, but we CANNOT turn on ANY of the players now. They need 100% support and backing- and that includes Madine.

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Well said.

Of course players are not beyond criticising but there is a time to do that and Bobby's timing was abysmal.

Bobby's the cool kid who wants to slag Madine off so that if his stint with us doesn't work out, he can then say "see? told you he was shit".

Of course, if Madine scores the goal that gets us up, Bobby would be on his knees offering to suck his cock.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Bobby's the cool kid who wants to slag Madine off so that if his stint with us doesn't work out, he can then say "see? told you he was shit".

Of course, if Madine scores the goal that gets us up, Bobby would be on his knees offering to suck his cock.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

I thought he should've taken the 2nd one tbh

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Said this to my mate down the pub yesterday. Completely agree.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Well said.

Of course players are not beyond criticising but there is a time to do that and Bobby's timing was abysmal.

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So now we have to consider WHEN we post as well as WHAT we post? Utterly comical.

You lot should post on ****. lol.

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Originally Posted by stevebrickman

Some serious c#nts posting in this thread. Yeah, it was pretty raw missing two pens in quick succession- but why the feck Madine is getting the stick he’s getting is beyond me.

Do you not think he’s going to be devestated at missing that pen? His big move- desperate to make an impression, and he’s been given limited opportunity.

He’ll have read this thread- 100% guarantee this. I don’t care how thick skinned you are, it’s not nice seeing people write sh1te about you. Poor lads confidence will be in the gutter now.

For what it’s worth- I think Madine has done ok since he joined us. He was never going to score 30 a season, but he was brought in for a specific role. Softened the worzel d fenders up first half nicely. Good headed assist against she’d utd.

6 games left. Injury time against wolves was as sh1t as it gets, but we CANNOT turn on ANY of the players now. They need 100% support and backing- and that includes Madine.

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Softening a team up in one half of a game. Not the most glowing of 3 month assessments for a player costing 6m quid.

Whilst I wont criticise him for missing a pen he was a massive waste of money. League 1 striker at best.

Has brought **** all to the table.

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So now we have to consider WHEN we post as well as WHAT we post? Utterly comical.

You lot should post on ****. lol.

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I used to respect you as a reasonable poster. Rapidly changing my mind on this thread.

Thanks for calling my post "utterly comical"

Decent of you ( if I could find a sarcasm smiley it would go here).

I'll stop there before I say something I regret.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

I used to respect you as a reasonable poster. Rapidly changing my mind on this thread.

Thanks for calling my post "utterly comical"

Decent of you ( if I could find a sarcasm smiley it would go here).

I'll stop there before I say something I regret.

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There does appear to be an attitude prevailing on here at the moment though which says any sort of critical comment is disloyal and, somehow, damaging to our promotion hopes - usually that sort of thing is solely within the purview of someone like dml54, but it seems to have become contagious since Friday.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

There does appear to be an attitude prevailing on here at the moment though which says any sort of critical comment is disloyal and, somehow, damaging to our promotion hopes - usually that sort of thing is solely within the purview of someone like dml54, but it seems to have become contagious since Friday.

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For me, there is quite a big difference between some criticism, and “hanging someone out to dry”...

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

There does appear to be an attitude prevailing on here at the moment though which says any sort of critical comment is disloyal and, somehow, damaging to our promotion hopes - usually that sort of thing is solely within the purview of someone like dml54, but it seems to have become contagious since Friday.

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Why is it so hard for you to understand that there might be people on here, other than me, who are totally fed up with the hysterical and negative attitude towards the club and players by some, at a time when everybody should be right behind the team. The person who started this thread is a glowing example of how not to behave after a defeat.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Why is it so hard for you to understand that there might be people on here, other than me, who are totally fed up with the hysterical and negative attitude towards the club and players by some, at a time when everybody should be right behind the team. The person who started this thread is a glowing example of how not to behave after a defeat.

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:hehe: right.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Why is it so hard for you to understand that there might be people on here, other than me, who are totally fed up with the hysterical and negative attitude towards the club and players by some, at a time when everybody should be right behind the team. The person who started this thread is a glowing example of how not to behave after a defeat.

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Lets be fair if Neil Warnock said the sky was green and the grass was blue youd go mental on anyone who dared disagree with him.

You probably still dont believe Joe Ralls is injured just because it was on here before Warnock confirmed himself :shrug:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

There does appear to be an attitude prevailing on here at the moment though which says any sort of critical comment is disloyal and, somehow, damaging to our promotion hopes - usually that sort of thing is solely within the purview of someone like dml54, but it seems to have become contagious since Friday.

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Presuming you are referring to me Bob how on earth can you deduce my attitude from what I said??????

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Lets be fair if Neil Warnock said the sky was green and the grass was blue youd go mental on anyone who dared disagree with him.

You probably still dont believe Joe Ralls is injured just because it was on here before Warnock confirmed himself :shrug:

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Why have you always got to weigh in with your opinion about me that are irrelevent to the subject under discussion. Are you fishing for an argument again ?. For the record, I dont listen to or believe rumours started on this board because they turn out to be wrong as much as they are correct and there are posters who enjoy spreading false rumours. I wait for official confirmation from the club. I have contributed a few times on this thread but there have been many others, including yourself, having a go at all the negativity and player criticising after the Wolves defeat. Why not have a go at them instead - no didn't think so, you just concentrate on posters on your 'hobby' list like me.

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:hehe: right.

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What does that mean ?. Do you agree with the original post then ?. Not just me that thinks it was out of order - read the rest of the thread.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Why have you always got to weigh in with your opinion about me that are irrelevent to the subject under discussion. Are you fishing for an argument again ?. For the record, I dont listen to or believe rumours started on this board because they turn out to be wrong as much as they are correct and there are posters who enjoy spreading false rumours. I wait for official confirmation from the club. I have contributed a few times on this thread but there have been many others, including yourself, having a go at all the negativity and player criticising after the Wolves defeat. Why not have a go at them instead - no didn't think so, you just concentrate on posters on your 'hobby' list like me.

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Its a public forum I can weigh in where I like. And thats bloody rich coming from you who "weighs in" and attacks anyone with a different viewpoint to his own, especially if someone dare have the audacity to say something negative, even if its just pointing out a player is injured!!!!

Im not going to have a go at people I agree with, I think Madine was a shocking waste of money. That would be disagreeing for disagreeing sakes?!?! Not really bothered about him missing a pen, it happens, but his contribution thus far has been shocking. Just runs around like a peacock puffing his chest out and has very little quality.

Theres no "hobby list" by the way, youre not significant to me, I will agree / disagree with the viewpoint, not the poster.

Morning lads. Everyone had their coffee?

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Its a public forum I can weigh in where I like. And thats bloody rich coming from you who "weighs in" and attacks anyone with a different viewpoint to his own, especially if someone dare have the audacity to say something negative, even if its just pointing out a player is injured!!!!

Im not going to have a go at people I agree with, I think Madine was a shocking waste of money. That would be disagreeing for disagreeing sakes?!?! Not really bothered about him missing a pen, it happens, but his contribution thus far has been shocking. Just runs around like a peacock puffing his chest out and has very little quality.

Theres no "hobby list" by the way, youre not significant to me, I will agree / disagree with the viewpoint, not the poster.

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If what you say is true, how is it that you didnt comment on anything a number of other posters said about the criticism of Madine being out if order, wrong or totally over the top ?. You obviously have a list of people you like picking arguments with. Your post about me had nothing to do with the topic but then very few of your posts ever do.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

I used to respect you as a reasonable poster. Rapidly changing my mind on this thread.

Thanks for calling my post "utterly comical"

Decent of you ( if I could find a sarcasm smiley it would go here).

I'll stop there before I say something I regret.

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I'm sorry for you in that case.

I read each post on it's merits (I just ignore the silly squabbles that arise from the usual suspects).

I just cannot see how anyone can suggest 'censoring' what we say and when we say it, for whatever reason. That is precisely why I don't post on ****.

Madine has been poor since we bought him (not solely based on his penalty miss) and yet many other player have been fantastic (Etheridge - who I am happy to say I misjudged, Bamba, Ralls, Patterson etc). Should I just say nothing about the really good players either? Is that what Colin does, do you think? Never criticises, for fear of upsetting one of the players?

Just weird.

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If what you say is true, how is it that you didnt comment on anything a number of other posters said about the criticism of Madine being out if order, wrong or totally over the top ?. You obviously have a list of people you like picking arguments with. Your post about me had nothing to do with the topic but then very few of your posts ever do.

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My post to you had everything to do with the course of direction the thread had gone by the time I replied to you.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Presuming you are referring to me Bob how on earth can you deduce my attitude from what I said??????

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I didn't have you in mind, but your reaction has been somewhat over the top. The subject of this thread is a striker who cost us a big transfer fee (I've seen a denial from the club that it was £6 million, but the reports of a £5 million fee have not been as far as I'm aware) around ten weeks ago. Granted, he's been injured for some of that time, but he's still not scored and, against Burton in particular, missed enough presentable chances after coming off the bench to have ended up with a hat trick, he's now missed a very important penalty as well in what was City's biggest game of the season so far. As far as I can see, at the moment those who want to defend him against criticism are reduced to claiming that he's responsible for Zohore's better form and that he has an assist for our goal at Sheffield United.

Now, I'm not going to slag him off too much for missing a penalty, but I've got to be honest and say that he's not done a great deal in my eyes to show he's an improvement on the likes of Ward, Bogle or Pilkington. However, leaving my personal views to one side, is it really that much of a surprise or a disgrace that some of our supporters are looking at his contribution so far and questioning his signing? It's what's been happening on this board for decades - a new player comes in, makes a quiet start and people start saying they're not impressed.

However, unlike at other times when we have been chasing promotion down the years, there has been an attitude in this thread and in others since Friday's match that criticism of the manager, team (individually or collectively) and club is disloyal and that, somehow, us supporters will be to blame if we miss out on promotion - all of this on a board where earlier in the season you'd do well to get ten contributions to a match thread while the game was being played and a football thread on a non match day was something of a novelty.

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What does that mean ?. Do you agree with the original post then ?. Not just me that thinks it was out of order - read the rest of the thread.

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Just found the hysterical nature of your response funny that's all - you're the board's very own Senator McCarthy with your "tell me, did you once or have you ever said something critical about anything or anyone to do with Cardiff City?" line of questioning.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

You obviously werent watching or were too pissed to concentrate. It was a good penalty, on target and low towards the corner and the goalie pulled off a very good save. The ball was actually almost behind him but he somehow got his hand to it. I suggest you watch the replay. Hoiletts was off target but you dont mention that one. Get off his back.

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Ive just watched it again and it was nowhere near the corner, and the ball wasnt behind Ruddy either. It was a crap penalty and easily saved.

Talking absolute guff as per usual. Your insatiable quest to defend all things Cardiff City, no matter how ridiculous it makes you look, is hilarious. Youre Cardiff Citys version of Comical Ali.

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