Are you cheap ?

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

In the West not only do we treat outsiders as equals but we sometimes give them preferential treatment – e.g. positive discrimination.

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Could have fooled me since Brexit.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

What utter crap.

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Which bit? All of it? Do you believe people in India, for example, have the same sense of fairness as those in the West? In business in India you would be seen as a very immoral person if you did not favour your relatives over a stranger. But we regard nepotism as unfair. In sport we used to see most other countries as more likely to cheat than ourselves. We saw cheating as being unfair. Exam taking in India and China often seems to be about finding clever ways to cheat. We see that as unfair but they see it as normal. Corruption seems to lowest in Western countries. Why is that? I would say it is to do with our sense of fairness.

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

People in the West have an unusual sense of fairness. People at the bottom of the ladder have it very good compared to those at the bottom in Asia, Africa and South America. In India if you are born into the lowest caste then you will treated as filth for the rest of your life. It is the same in most places. In the West not only do we treat outsiders as equals but we sometimes give them preferential treatment – e.g. positive discrimination. That is so unusual that Third World people must think we are mad or mugs.

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I'm not sure about that. The two most outrageous pieces of racism / inequality I've witnessed have been by Australians against Aborigines & Canadians against Inuits. I've spent some time in both countries and would say that it's comparible with your Indian caste example (where I also work regularly).

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Originally Posted by Fine Lines

With contactless payments fast becoming the norm in most city bars and restaurants, what will be the way to tip then ?

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They just add a option to add on 18 - 22 - 25 % at the POS

I might have mentioned it before ( but will repeat especially for JtJ and Dembe :thumbup: who i know loves it ) i know a Server who works at one of the top end disney restaurants ( its a pricey place ) who earned more than $ 200K last year, he has put his 2 children through school and lives in a 6 bed house in orlando, says the rush to get some of the better restaurant jobs in " disney springs " when they recently refurbished it was scary, servers on the weekend have to have disney security escort them to the car at the end of a evening shift as they often have over $1000 in cash on them

I guess a $5 doesnt cut it anymore :hehe:

This is all about ripping johnny forefinger off to supplement the poor living wage standards the USA has in place ,pay people decent wage USA I say ,begging OR FORCING ONE TO BEG IS POOR

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Originally Posted by life on mars

This is all about ripping johnny forefinger off to supplement the poor living wage standards the USA has in place ,pay people decent wage USA I say ,begging OR FORCING ONE TO BEG IS POOR

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Speaking to the server i know, Brits come in 2 shapes, Great tippers who tip 25% and then round up, or people who leave a few bucks
He says that most Americans tip around the 20% mark ( i guess as its easy to work out )

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Plenty of US places are now asking for 25 %

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Where? When a gratuity is added automatically it's usually 18%.

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

You'll find more truth in blogs than in the newspapers. Anyway, it is not just one person's opinion - there are comments from over a hundred waiters and waitresses.

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This statement is complete nonsense. And it's a big problem in the world today. It's how we ended up with people like Alex Jones. So thanks for that.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Where? When a gratuity is added automatically it's usually 18%.

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It is 18% , On a " vacation planners " FB group, people have been saying that places in NY have started add a " 25% recommend tip " and i know in a few of the " high end " disney restaurants they list 18, 22 and 25 %,
Blue Bayou & Napa Rose in DisneyLand Cali both have had 25% listed as a recommended tip, sure they are pushing it to see how far they can go, tables over 6 normally have 18% service charge

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

This statement is complete nonsense. And it's a big problem in the world today. It's how we ended up with people like Alex Jones. So thanks for that.

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You are not one for understatement are you ? Just contrast the ridiculous lies the newspapers are telling us about the Skripals with the intelligent discussion about the case on Craig Murray's blog. On any important issue if you want to find out what's really going on you have to read blogs. Most of the stuff in our newspapers comes from PR firms and so called news agencies. The papers no longer have any real journalists.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...e-over-tipping

The perversity and immorality of tipping as an expected and assumed part of people's wages takes another turn.

TGI Friday rob Peter to underpay Paul - but at least there is a trade union involved and staff willing to challenge a crap employer.

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

You are not one for understatement are you ? Just contrast the ridiculous lies the newspapers are telling us about the Skripals with the intelligent discussion about the case on Craig Murray's blog. On any important issue if you want to find out what's really going on you have to read blogs. Most of the stuff in our newspapers comes from PR firms and so called news agencies. The papers no longer have any real journalists.

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You're being selective. You said that "blogs are more truthful than newspapers". Which implies ALL blogs v ALL newspapers, and is a ridiculous statement.

Don't forget that for the most part "the papers" have codes of ethics and real journalists that have to cite sources and get editorial and legal approval before they print. Bloggers can just say what they want.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

You're being selective. You said that "blogs are more truthful than newspapers". Which implies ALL blogs v ALL newspapers, and is a ridiculous statement.

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You seem to be an all or nothing sort of person. Living with you must be fun if you bring the rules of logic to every discussion.

You : "You said you'd done the washing up."
Wife (or boyfriend) : "I have".
You : "No you haven't. There's an unwashed spoon here."
Wife or (boyfriend) : "I'll tell you where you can stick it."
Perhaps I should have left "boyfriend" out of that last line.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Don't forget that for the most part "the papers" have codes of ethics and real journalists that have to cite sources and get editorial and legal approval before they print.

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I've just pissed myself laughing at that. Nearly everything in a newspaper is either a lie or an ignorant opinion. Even when they try to be factual they get it all wrong. Anyone who as been the subject of an newspaper article will tell you that they get most of names, dates, etc. wrong. They have no ethics. The so called journalists on the big papers are just typists for rich crooks and bent politicians.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Tradition seems very important to her.

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:hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

You seem to be an all or nothing sort of person. Living with you must be fun if you bring the rules of logic to every discussion.

You : "You said you'd done the washing up."
Wife (or boyfriend) : "I have".
You : "No you haven't. There's an unwashed spoon here."
Wife or (boyfriend) : "I'll tell you where you can stick it."
Perhaps I should have left "boyfriend" out of that last line.



I've just pissed myself laughing at that. Nearly everything in a newspaper is either a lie or an ignorant opinion. Even when they try to be factual they get it all wrong. Anyone who as been the subject of an newspaper article will tell you that they get most of names, dates, etc. wrong. They have no ethics. The so called journalists on the big papers are just typists for rich crooks and bent politicians.

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I'm glad you had a laugh. So what you're saying that your favourite blog is better than your least favourite newspaper?

Everything you have written is just an opinion. You have backed nothing up with facts.

Newspapers in the "mainstream media" DO have ethics codes and DO have to meet legal requirements. Here's an example:

https://www.theguardian.com/info/201...editorial-code

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I'm glad you had a laugh. So what you're saying that your favourite blog is better than your least favourite newspaper?

Everything you have written is just an opinion. You have backed nothing up with facts.

Newspapers in the "mainstream media" DO have ethics codes and DO have to meet legal requirements. Here's an example:

https://www.theguardian.com/info/201...editorial-code

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Do they? The MSM media get away with lie after lie after lie. There is no meaningful watchdog.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I'm glad you had a laugh. So what you're saying that your favourite blog is better than your least favourite newspaper?

Everything you have written is just an opinion. You have backed nothing up with facts.

Newspapers in the "mainstream media" DO have ethics codes and DO have to meet legal requirements. Here's an example:

https://www.theguardian.com/info/201...editorial-code

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The Guardian ! Stop it, you're killing me. I've already got a weak bladder. That is probably the worst example you could have chosen. Peter Hitchens hit the nail on its head when he said there are rumours of The Guardian relaunching as The Warmonger’s Gazette and giving away a free toy soldier with every issue.

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

The Guardian ! Stop it, you're killing me. I've already got a weak bladder. That is probably the worst example you could have chosen. Peter Hitchens hit the nail on its head when he said there are rumours of The Guardian relaunching as The Warmonger’s Gazette and giving away a free toy soldier with every issue.

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Actually. No he didn't.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Actually. No he didn't.

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Nice try, but you'll need to get up a bit earlier in the morning if you think you are going to trap me like that. Don't forget that in the UK we are awake 3 or 4 hours before you.

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

Nice try, Organ but I think you've forgotten why the manager really talked to you. You were seen in the pet section of Harrods crouched over a distressed cockatoo in a suggestive position that even shocked the shop's many Arab customers. When you told the manager you were a Pet Groomer he said "We can see that". Shouting "I just wanted to touch a cockatoo" as you were hurled into the street only led to looks of revulsion and did nothing to help your cause.

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Did you actually think this was funny?

Your attempts at comedy are painful to read

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

Did you actually think this was funny?

Your attempts at comedy are painful to read

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Are you a masochist?

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

Are you a masochist?

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Just sympathetic

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

Nice try, but you'll need to get up a bit earlier in the morning if you think you are going to trap me like that. Don't forget that in the UK we are awake 3 or 4 hours before you.

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You try to win an argument about fact versus opinion with a nonsensical quote from a guy the writes for the for the Daily Mail?

Weak as ****.

I don't think I have to get up very early to counter that.