Well done the Tory government

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Originally Posted by Nick

No. it was a very straightforward question that posters of a certain political persuasion seemed reluctant to respond to.

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The reason might be because you turn into a couple of children when people engage with you.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

The reason might be because you turn into a couple of children when people engage with you.

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Unlike the poster who calls people “gammon” non stop.

Eh?

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Originally Posted by Nick

Unlike the poster who calls people “gammon” non stop.

Eh?

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You might notice how I don't join in.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

You might notice how I don't join in.

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No. I did notice.

I also noticed you called others a couple of children.

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Originally Posted by Nick

No. I did notice.

I also noticed you called others a couple of children.

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Well Ninian asked a question. I answered respectfully and then you both became hysterical and weird.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Well Ninian asked a question. I answered respectfully and then you both became hysterical and weird.

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The only "hysterical and weird" poster that I can see on this thread is the barking mad one that keeps shouting "Gammon" at everyone who doesn't agree with her.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Carillion employee 43,000 people Eric, 20,000 or so work in the UK and they also sub contract additional work. 20,000 UK employees is not a small number employees - I think even gammon flaps would admit that.

BT also subcontracts lots of its work out, they hire in (not employ) lots of sub contractors to - who will also be affected by BT's decision. So it's still the same - a job lost is a job lost.

That's why the rather tongue in cheek post - people should have been outraged, protesting, demanding for the resignation of Theresa May when they introduced this change to the rules. At least these job losses were the direct result of the Govt, Carillion going tits up was just incompetence.

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If the public think this measure solves a major societal problem then why should they protest? I am really struggling to understand your point. I personally don't think it solves a problem because it will just push it online. I would love a more ethical gambling industry.

State sponsored incompetence and most the people responsible won't suffer the consequences of it.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Carillion employee 43,000 people Eric, 20,000 or so work in the UK and they also sub contract additional work. 20,000 UK employees is not a small number employees - I think even gammon flaps would admit that.

BT also subcontracts lots of its work out, they hire in (not employ) lots of sub contractors to - who will also be affected by BT's decision. So it's still the same - a job lost is a job lost.

That's why the rather tongue in cheek post - people should have been outraged, protesting, demanding for the resignation of Theresa May when they introduced this change to the rules. At least these job losses were the direct result of the Govt, Carillion going tits up was just incompetence.

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There are also 40k people employed in the gambling sector with around 9k betting shops on the high street. The trade body, the Association of British Bookmakers, estimates that 4k shops and 21k people will lose their jobs as a direct consequence of the reduction in stakes for fixed odds machines. Apparently the sector that has remained reasonably stable in the number of shops and employees for the best part of a decade is suddenly going to lose over half its workforce and 45% of its high street footprint due to apparent over-reliance on these machines as the key source of income. A more prudent industry perhaps would have worked out the odds and spread the risk to avoid this apparent overdependency. Perhaps Carillion isn't the only industry to suffer as a consequence of corporate incompetence

Conversely perhaps the trade estimates are a little, shall we say, frothy. Still we live in an age where people believed that £350m a week extra will be pumped into the NHS as a direct consequence of Brexit so having these as the basis of an argument are as good as any I suppose.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Cyril, my only tongue in cheek point about this is that Cariilion - a public limited company goes pair shaped and Eric and Auntie Gammon Flaps are calling for the resignation of the Prime Minister, heads must roll and all the usual stuff (even though Carillion is not a Govt Dept or Govt owned) and then when the Govt do something that is of their own making that affects jobs and will incur job losses - we are deafened by the silence. Same goes for the 13,000 BT jobs lost last week.

Gammon Flaps should be out protesting , marching on Parliament re this Govt decision on betting shops like she did when Carillion went tits up (even though it was nothing to do with the Govt)

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When did I say that? :sherlock:

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

There are also 40k people employed in the gambling sector with around 9k betting shops on the high street. The trade body, the Association of British Bookmakers, estimates that 4k shops and 21k people will lose their jobs as a direct consequence of the reduction in stakes for fixed odds machines. Apparently the sector that has remained reasonably stable in the number of shops and employees for the best part of a decade is suddenly going to lose over half its workforce and 45% of its high street footprint due to apparent over-reliance on these machines as the key source of income. A more prudent industry perhaps would have worked out the odds and spread the risk to avoid this apparent overdependency. Perhaps Carillion isn't the only industry to suffer as a consequence of corporate incompetence

Conversely perhaps the trade estimates are a little, shall we say, frothy. Still we live in an age where people believed that £350m a week extra will be pumped into the NHS as a direct consequence of Brexit so having these as the basis of an argument are as good as any I suppose.

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Have read a few accounts of staff at high street bookmakers and they all had the same tone. The companies saw it as a gravy train, they knew the machines at their current stakes had a limited shelf life and they just pushed it on 'customers' until it was over. Government have threatened this for a long while. In the thread on the main board I posted an idea that was also presented during these accounts that the reason the government are taking this action has more to do with the fact that the machines, to some extent, are being used to clean dirty cash. Not sure how prevalent that is but it is a feasible theory.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Cyril, my only tongue in cheek point about this is that Cariilion - a public limited company goes pair shaped and Eric and Auntie Gammon Flaps are calling for the resignation of the Prime Minister, heads must roll and all the usual stuff (even though Carillion is not a Govt Dept or Govt owned) and then when the Govt do something that is of their own making that affects jobs and will incur job losses - we are deafened by the silence. Same goes for the 13,000 BT jobs lost last week.

Gammon Flaps should be out protesting , marching on Parliament re this Govt decision on betting shops like she did when Carillion went tits up (even though it was nothing to do with the Govt)

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I understand your general point and have a degree of agreement. Governments of any colour cannot be held responsible for every change in conditions that impact job loss or growth, though most try to diminish their role in the former and big up their role in the latter. Change and the market is always going to dwarf the imact of government intervention or the lack of it.

I think the circumstances around companies such as Carillion that had such a reliance on taxpayers' money in the contracts awarded necessitated a greater degree of oversight and governance because of the impact that failure in that sector had not just on the employees and suppliers but the services and capital projects with which they were entrusted.

New hospitals are either gathering dust or are delayed more expensively as a consequence of this corporate mismanagement and the government has to bear a degree of responsibility for failing both in its oversight and the decisions it made to award Carillion contracts when doubts had been raised with Ministers about the company's finances. I would not have their heads on pikes perhaps in the way argued but there has to be a level of accountability that is somewhat lacking.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Cyril, my only tongue in cheek point about this is that Cariilion - a public limited company goes pair shaped and Eric and Auntie Gammon Flaps are calling for the resignation of the Prime Minister, heads must roll and all the usual stuff (even though Carillion is not a Govt Dept or Govt owned) and then when the Govt do something that is of their own making that affects jobs and will incur job losses - we are deafened by the silence. Same goes for the 13,000 BT jobs lost last week.

Gammon Flaps should be out protesting , marching on Parliament re this Govt decision on betting shops like she did when Carillion went tits up (even though it was nothing to do with the Govt)

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Gammon flaps :hehe::hehe::hehe: Youre not quite getting it are you.

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Gammon flaps :hehe::hehe::hehe: Youre not quite getting it are you.

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I think he has got it absolutely spot on actually.

And your silly little games mean that forever on this message board, you'll be known by that name.:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Nick

I think he has got it absolutely spot on actually.

And your silly little games mean that forever on this message board, you'll be known by that name.:hehe:

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I guess having a name you are forever known by on a message board is important to you?

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I think he has got it absolutely spot on actually.

And your silly little games mean that forever on this message board, you'll be known by that name.:hehe:

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Fantastic, I love it :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

I guess having a name you are forever known by on a message board is important to you?

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Not in the slightest actually, son.

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Fantastic, I love it :thumbup:

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I’m sure we will see you change your user name then, if you love it so much....

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Not in the slightest actually, son.

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Bit presumptive, how do you know it's not daughter, papa (or mama)?

I don't accept that the government should be applauded for limiting people's choices. Age restrictions exist for entering betting shops so it's not as if children use those machines.

Not children, no. But the truly stupid who need to be saved from themselves.

The truly stupid are everywhere, that's why personal debt is through the roof with people unable or unwilling to live beneath their means by spending on crap they can easily do without and cannot afford.

Other than not compelling energy customers to switch to smart meters I'm struggling to think of any decisions the Tories have made in the past eight years that can be congratulated.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Other than not compelling energy customers to switch to smart meters I'm struggling to think of any decisions the Tories have made in the past eight years that can be congratulated.

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Apart from this betting terminals I would struggle too.

I really have a problem with the way gambling has become normalised within society. If it carries on I think it's going to become a massive problem for some people.

I hope the O.P. of this comment on the other board doesn't mind me posting it here

"About £30k and 10 years too late for me but hey-ho.

Ive come out the other side but this is welcome news for those still addicted."

Says it all for me

You might be older than I, but my memory goes back to the early 1970s and gambling was accepted and everywhere then. From having a flutter on the Grand National and Derby to visiting bingo halls I'd say the majority of the population indulged.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You might be older than I, but my memory goes back to the early 1970s and gambling was accepted and everywhere then. From having a flutter on the Grand National and Derby to visiting bingo halls I'd say the majority of the population indulged.

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I'd say the number of betting shops on the High Street has increased massively since the 70s. That's without the internet.

Growing up, none of my mates ever went to the bookies, maybe someone at work ran a sweep on the Grand National

I watched the last AJ fight with a crowd of mates and their families, most of the teenagers were checking the odds on their phones and placing bets as the fight progressed. I'm sure most of them will never have a problem, but I'd wager one or two may in the future.

Maybe I just had a sheltered upbringing - in Trecenydd!

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Originally Posted by Veg1960

I'd say the number of betting shops on the High Street has increased massively since the 70s. That's without the internet.

Growing up, none of my mates ever went to the bookies, maybe someone at work ran a sweep on the Grand National

I watched the last AJ fight with a crowd of mates and their families, most of the teenagers were checking the odds on their phones and placing bets as the fight progressed. I'm sure most of them will never have a problem, but I'd wager one or two may in the future.

Maybe I just had a sheltered upbringing - in Trecenydd!

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I really can’t believe the guy actually believes himself, what he just typed. The opportunity to gamble in either a bookies or online has grown exponentially in recent years.

Just attention seeking, I believe.

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Originally Posted by Veg1960

I'd say the number of betting shops on the High Street has increased massively since the 70s. That's without the internet.

Growing up, none of my mates ever went to the bookies, maybe someone at work ran a sweep on the Grand National

I watched the last AJ fight with a crowd of mates and their families, most of the teenagers were checking the odds on their phones and placing bets as the fight progressed. I'm sure most of them will never have a problem, but I'd wager one or two may in the future.

Maybe I just had a sheltered upbringing - in Trecenydd!

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I think the two major differences are that gambling used to be a sociable activity (look at dog track attendance then and now) and wasn't done on credit.

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Originally Posted by Veg1960

I'd say the number of betting shops on the High Street has increased massively since the 70s. That's without the internet.

Growing up, none of my mates ever went to the bookies, maybe someone at work ran a sweep on the Grand National

I watched the last AJ fight with a crowd of mates and their families, most of the teenagers were checking the odds on their phones and placing bets as the fight progressed. I'm sure most of them will never have a problem, but I'd wager one or two may in the future.

Maybe I just had a sheltered upbringing - in Trecenydd!

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I won't disagree about the gambling industry having expanded greatly but it's founded on the same something for nothing mentality from decades ago. Betting in-running as you described is deadly for those with poor impulse control. The weak minded will always find ways to submerge themselves in debt. Most do so through rampant consumerism rather than gambling.

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I really can’t believe the guy actually believes himself, what he just typed. The opportunity to gamble in either a bookies or online has grown exponentially in recent years.

Just attention seeking, I believe.

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Are you replying to me? Just a bit confused

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Are you replying to me? Just a bit confused

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No. Morgan.

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No. Morgan.

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Originally Posted by Nick

No. Morgan.

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Please don't pick on me. You have enough to contend with Auntie on your case.

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I really can’t believe the guy actually believes himself, what he just typed. The opportunity to gamble in either a bookies or online has grown exponentially in recent years.

Just attention seeking, I believe.

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Don't be hard on yourself

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Don't be hard on yourself

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You and I know quite well that I was referring to Morgan.

You just can’t help yourself though can you?

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Please don't pick on me. You have enough to contend with Auntie on your case.

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Flapper is on everyone, who is not a screaming left wingers case.

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You and I know quite well that I was referring to Morgan.

You just can’t help yourself though can you?

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Like Barry John said to Gareth Edwards on their first meeting "You throw it, I'll catch it!"

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Like Barry John said to Gareth Edwards on their first meeting "You throw it, I'll catch it!"

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Another attention seeker then, I see.

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Another attention seeker then, I see.

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Who Edwards or John?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Who Edwards or John?

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Cyril.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Cyril, my only tongue in cheek point about this is that Cariilion - a public limited company goes pair shaped and Eric and Auntie Gammon Flaps are calling for the resignation of the Prime Minister, heads must roll and all the usual stuff (even though Carillion is not a Govt Dept or Govt owned) and then when the Govt do something that is of their own making that affects jobs and will incur job losses - we are deafened by the silence. Same goes for the 13,000 BT jobs lost last week.

Gammon Flaps should be out protesting , marching on Parliament re this Govt decision on betting shops like she did when Carillion went tits up (even though it was nothing to do with the Govt)

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When did I say that? :sherlock:

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This is what I mean by 'hysterical'. You completely fabricate history and then disappear when someone asks you to prove what you have said.