David Brooks

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Originally Posted by City123

He isn't consistently on the bench, he's been there a fair few times this season, but being on a bench isn't an effective substitute for actual gametime for a player's development

Gary Neville pointed it out on the commentary of that game that a player is "nothing" until they get 100 games under their belt, young players need those games. Wilson is the perfect example of a player thriving when given a chance away from Liverpool

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Woodburn is 18, he is already ahead of schedule. I believe Liverpool will take the in-house route that gifted players such as Giggs and Rooney followed, i.e. straight into the first team. They had the chance to send him out on loan in January which would have been the perfect time, but they declined. Obviously a very high level management decision was taken regarding his future.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Woodburn is 18, he is already ahead of schedule. I believe Liverpool will take the in-house route that gifted players such as Giggs and Rooney followed, i.e. straight into the first team. They had the chance to send him out on loan in January which would have been the perfect time, but they declined. Obviously a very high level management decision was taken regarding his future.

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At 18, Rooney had made 67 league appearances for Everton, Woodburn is 19 in October and by then Giggs had made 40 league appearances

I really hope that Woodburn gets into Liverpool's first team soon but that's extremely unlikely. He's already behind a whole host of players at Liverpool and it'll only get worse as they inevitably strengthen in the summer

A season of competitive football will be far more beneficial to his development than the occasional appearance on the subs bench and captaining the Under 19s

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Originally Posted by City123

At 18, Rooney had made 67 league appearances for Everton, Woodburn is 19 in October and by then Giggs had made 40 league appearances

I really hope that Woodburn gets into Liverpool's first team soon but that's extremely unlikely. He's already behind a whole host of players at Liverpool and it'll only get worse as they inevitably strengthen in the summer

A season of competitive football will be far more beneficial to his development than the occasional appearance on the subs bench and captaining the Under 19s

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Exactly by the time Shrek was his age he was a 30 Millon pound player, I can't believe Liverpool didn't loan him out so he could toughen up a bit how will a player develop when they're not playing I believe if you're good enough no matter on age you should be playing, take that Reece Oxford on loan out in Germany I'm sure he's going to come back in a much better position than when he left

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Originally Posted by City123

At 18, Rooney had made 67 league appearances for Everton, Woodburn is 19 in October and by then Giggs had made 40 league appearances

I really hope that Woodburn gets into Liverpool's first team soon but that's extremely unlikely. He's already behind a whole host of players at Liverpool and it'll only get worse as they inevitably strengthen in the summer

A season of competitive football will be far more beneficial to his development than the occasional appearance on the subs bench and captaining the Under 19s

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If it was deemed beneficial he would have gone out on loan with Wilson in January, and not joined the 1st team squad instead. Unless of course you think Klopp is a numptie who doesn't know what he is doing? :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

If it was deemed beneficial he would have gone out on loan with Wilson in January, and not joined the 1st team squad instead. Unless of course you think Klopp is a numptie who doesn't know what he is doing? :biggrin:

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He's very good at losing finals

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

Exactly by the time Shrek was his age he was a 30 Millon pound player, I can't believe Liverpool didn't loan him out so he could toughen up a bit how will a player develop when they're not playing I believe if you're good enough no matter on age you should be playing, take that Reece Oxford on loan out in Germany I'm sure he's going to come back in a much better position than when he left

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Shrek also burnt himself out early, but it's better to burn out than to fade away.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

If it was deemed beneficial he would have gone out on loan with Wilson in January, and not joined the 1st team squad instead. Unless of course you think Klopp is a numptie who doesn't know what he is doing? :biggrin:

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Have you really resorted to "Klopp knows better than you"? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Shrek also burnt himself out early, but it's better to burn out than to fade away.

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That's probably because he doesn't have the natural body type Ronaldo started playing first team football regularly at 17 he's doing ok :shrug:

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Originally Posted by City123

Have you really resorted to "Klopp knows better than you"? :hehe:

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Either he does, or he's got it all back to front and upside down :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

That's probably because he doesn't have the natural body type Ronaldo started playing first team football regularly at 17 he's doing ok :shrug:

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15 years ago all the top teams weren't rammed with global superstars, it has had a huge negative effect on talented young players.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

15 years ago all the top teams weren't rammed with global superstars, it has had a huge negative effect on talented young players.

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Kaka?
Messi?
Kroos?

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

Kaka?
Messi?

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In general. The obscene amounts of money the top 4 clubs in the premier league now have to spend is a fairly new phenomenon. Anyway, we are drifting, the fact is a manager with a reputation for bringing on youngsters has put Woodburn in the 1st team squad, and I don't think he will be going out on loan anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by City123

At 18, Rooney had made 67 league appearances for Everton, Woodburn is 19 in October and by then Giggs had made 40 league appearances

I really hope that Woodburn gets into Liverpool's first team soon but that's extremely unlikely. He's already behind a whole host of players at Liverpool and it'll only get worse as they inevitably strengthen in the summer

A season of competitive football will be far more beneficial to his development than the occasional appearance on the subs bench and captaining the Under 19s

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Fully agree. It took a long time for Liverpool to loan out Harry Wilson whose development stagnated. I hope they don’t make the same mistake with Woodburn.

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Fully agree. It took a long time for Liverpool to loan out Harry Wilson whose development stagnated. I hope they don’t make the same mistake with Woodburn.

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Would Woodburn benefit more from being a member of the Liverpool first team squad and training with world class players everyday, gently being eased into the team by learning his positional role during practice games, or from playing for a team like Hull? Note that Wilson was not offered the option of joining the Liverpool 1st team. If the answer is the latter then why didn't Klopp send him out on loan last January?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Would Woodburn benefit more from being a member of the Liverpool first team squad and training with world class players everyday, gently being eased into the team by learning his positional role during practice games, or from playing for a team like Hull? Note that Wilson was not offered the option of joining the Liverpool 1st team. If the answer is the latter then why didn't Klopp send him out on loan last January?

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He'd learn a hell of a lot more playing first team football than he would in practice games

Gently being eased into the team? Load of bollocks, he made more appearances last season and is highly unlikely to play more than one or two in 18/19 with the way Liverpool rely on their front three, he already has a number of players between him and the first eleven and this gap will only grow as Liverpool bring in even more players

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Originally Posted by City123

He'd learn a hell of a lot more playing first team football than he would in practice games

Gently being eased into the team? Load of bollocks, he made more appearances last season and is highly unlikely to play more than one or two in 18/19 with the way Liverpool rely on their front three, he already has a number of players between him and the first eleven and this gap will only grow as Liverpool bring in even more players

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In that case Klopp needs to be fired immediately for wasting 6 months of Ben Woodburn's life. The man is clearly an idiot. Hopefully Liverpool will then appoint somebody from this message board to manage the club, and lead them to European glory :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

In that case Klopp needs to be fired immediately for wasting 6 months of Ben Woodburn's life.

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Again with the "Klopp knows better than you" :hehe:

If you can't debate the points raised, don't bother replying :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by City123

Again with the "Klopp knows better than you" :hehe:

If you can't debate the points raised, don't bother replying :thumbup:

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The crux of the matter is does Klopp know what he is doing? He is the one who decided to promote Woodburn to the Liverpool first team, rather than send him out on loan.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

The crux of the matter is does Klopp know what he is doing? He is the one who decided to promote Woodburn to the Liverpool first team, rather than send him out on loan.

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He might know what he's doping but no one is infallible, every manager makes mistakes, without exception. Perhaps he didn't lend him out because none of the trams who wanted him were considered good for his development.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

The crux of the matter is does Klopp know what he is doing? He is the one who decided to promote Woodburn to the Liverpool first team, rather than send him out on loan.

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Gotze was only 18 when he broke in to the Dortmund first team

Premier League clubs to target Sheffield United star David Brooks
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...ooks-1-9191331

10-15m in that article for brooks

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Originally Posted by Rjk

10-15m in that article for brooks

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Isn't Unique Sports Management the company Warnock's son works for?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Isn't Unique Sports Management the company Warnock's son works for?

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Yep I think so

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Isn't Unique Sports Management the company Warnock's son works for?

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When's he signing?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I predict a one year loan to a Premier League club to see how he performs at a higher level. This would increase his value, and Liverpool also have the option to keep him if he does well.

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WILSON TO BE GIVEN CHANCE IN PRE-SEASON
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