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Originally Posted by lardy
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Originally Posted by lardy
I'll give him credit for being able to bring Kim to the table, but that's as far as it goes with me. The disgraced Richard Nixon was responsible for a thawing of US/China relations back in the 70s and every President should be able to get a few things in the credit column to measure against the many in the debit one - Trump has something in the credit column now in my opinion, but he needs a lot more on top of this before I'll start to change my, very critical, opinion of the man.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Think it was his convoluted way of managing to keep up his 100 per cent record of posting something critical of the Labour party, no matter what the subject of the thread :thumbup:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
No previous presidents met because North Korea wouldn't make the concessions that the US wanted, although NK were certainly looking for the prestige of being equals on the world stage. The US knew how much they wanted it and asked for more than NK was willing to give, be it human rights, peace treaty, denuclearisation, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
In short, a meeting would happen once the countries were close to a deal. But trump just said yeah go on then to the meeting, and under these circumstances it's actually not much of an achievement. NK were always going to accept. The two haven't even agreed what denuclearisation of the peninsular means. Bringing Kim to the table in this fashion was shooting fish in a barrel, although better than nothing.
We'll see how big a mistake it was to give up a precious bargaining chip so lightly.
Ironically with hindsight being matey with gadaffi was one of the few foreign policy successes that Blair had. Cameron on the other hand, destroyed Libya and basically created the migrant crisis in the med.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
And if it does work we will see what a genius move it was, as the heavy hand clearly didn't work before.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Did anybody else notice how nervous Kim looked in Singapore? He didn't come across as the confident evil mass murderer I was expecting. It seemed like Trump was giving him subtle prompts throughout. I would also be interested to know what part China are playing in all of this. Obviously Trump has had plenty of contact with Xi, but I noticed Kim made a trip to Beijing prior to the summit and immediately afterwards.
Gluey?Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Sorry mate, I wasn't privvy to the private conversations that took place in Singapore, but if NK do not comply then the US are going to bomb the feck out of them. China have been put on notice too.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Another one of your lame cop-outs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
You seem confident that peace has been secured and no one is suggesting you're basing that on private conversations. I'm asking about the agreement that was signed. Why do you think it is better?
I'm also intrigued now why you think the US will bomb the feck out of NK if they don't comply. Where did you get that from?
Anyone would think you're making up bullshit because you love Donald!
North Korea have been given two options. The mutually beneficial option or the option from hell. Which one would you choose?Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Again, could you link to that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It came from Trump's mouth :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Link to what he actually said please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Donny’s a gonna bomb the feck out those Commie sons ‘a biches yeeee haaaawww!!!
Another success story for Trump from the summit. He's getting the remains of the Korean War veterans returned. He says that so many parents asked him in the 2016 for the remains of their sons to be returned, which if anything is a testament to excellent healthcare in the States as parents of Korean War vets would have been over 100 years old in 2016.
And we know we can trust Trump for accuracy.
It is becoming a world that your view now supports if you don't look after your own who will ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I think we are all looking for mutually beneficial relationships, which you rarely come across in the real world. As Bruce Springsteen would say, "nobody wins unless everybody wins".Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
He's obviously talking about relatives, but don't let your blind hatred get in the way of reason!Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Yes, he's talking about relatives, specifically sons. Do you call your father/uncle/grandfather your son? I know I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Now, have you had a think and figured out why this agreement is better than the last one, or found where Trump threatens NK with a bombing spree if they don't do what he says? Still not managed it?
You are a funny guy. You pushed all the fake Russia stories that the press were spewing out, and they formed the basis of the opinions you expressed almost word for word. It was a very sad thing to witness!Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I'll take that as a 'no, I was yet again talking bullshit for all to see'Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
You can easily find what Trump said about NK refusing a deal, if only you could be bothered to educate yourself. Instead you use your blind ignorance as an arguing tactic!Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I can do that, you're right. And I haven't found anything about him threatening them with a good old fashioned bombing- unless you're referring to the Fire And Fury comments of many months ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Adiós amigo :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
You made a better stab it than gluey did.Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2
It was a sense of joyful malevolence I anticipated in Wales Bales message at the thought of Donny going to war I found slightly disturbing I must admitQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2
The Oracle of Delphi strikes again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Having read recent contributions to the Iran thread, are they now globalists and, assuming they are, when did this happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Ooooh i likes watch a killing on TVQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I 'd put strong bet on Iran's money washing around many countries internationally ,thats why they get so pissy when bank accounts are frozen in the name of sanctions , its one of the many criticism aimed at the Iranian government by its long suffering people hit by poverty , its government spends astonishing amounts of money on militarily expenditure in Iran and in other countries , and falls very short of healthcare , education and human rights .Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Globalization : the process by which organizations develop international influence or start operating on an international scale.
Stop being a kent cyril. When I said that Iran and the US were talking about scheduling a meeting for peace talks. Everybody has had their chances, and its up to them whether they take them or not. Kim was offered unification with South Korea and a western style economy. If he chooses to stay a vassal state of China, that up to him. As long as he doesn't go developing nukes everything will be fine. Ditto Iran, the overwhelming majority of normal citizens want rid of their despot religious fanatic leaders, so let's see what happens. Attacks on American citizens will only speed up this process. All things considered, I'm afraid I have to inform you that your TDS has pushed you over the edge, so please seek medical attention ASAP!Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
What's up with John Kerry holding secret meetings with Iranians in Paris and elsewhere? And who can forget the previous president sending them pallets of cash containing over a billion dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Well, they seem to be plotting with the Democrats, so maybe they are!Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
What's your evidence base for this one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
There after another cash pallet, they hate the USA but love the dollar , bloody awful bunch , should have dealt with them whilst the Iraq war was on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
They burn yer flag but spend your dollar with glee . I wonder how many charities,hospitalor schools benefitted from those many millions , or was it billions of cash , wrapped on pallets ,well done Barack ,that sorted it all out ""
It's incredible isn't it, the number of sweeping generalisations and accusations made without any evidence being produced in response to something I posted as a joke says so much - we've had about five years of this on here now and it's still the same old "just you wait and see what's going to happen soon" stuff we were hearing before Trump became President.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Well one just wait and see moment happened didnt it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Today's chat on this thread started with an old prediction from WB that unlike Hilary Clinton if she had got elected Trump was not a warmonger and wouldn't risk starting WWIII with Iran.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Based on that which one of his "just wait and see moments" just happened?