Watching the game again now

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Originally Posted by Kris

In fairness, I saved myself 60 minutes plus half time because most reports say it wasn't a good game. In fact, the only people I see raving about the games are on this board! As someone on the radio said "seeing Warnock celebrating a 0-0 against a 10 man Newcastle suggests a long hard season ahead". The highlights I saw suggest I missed little too - unless the BBC are trying to make Cardiff look poor? Maybe some will believe that.

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MotD did miss a few things actually - most notably NML blasting high and wide from the edge of the 6 yard box when he should have done anything else... and also Shelvey stopping an open goal opportunity with a last ditch slided-clearance over the bar. They were two important moments in the match that must not have been worthy of a highlights package.

Maybe do yourself a favour in the future and don't watch any of their televised games (even a whole 30mins!).

I doubt that you will find any joy in watching City play these days - unless they get trounced, possibly.

The crowd were urging Warnock to do his fist-pump at the end of the game when he went over to them. Just an end of match ritual.

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Originally Posted by Kris

In fairness, I saved myself 60 minutes plus half time because most reports say it wasn't a good game. In fact, the only people I see raving about the games are on this board! As someone on the radio said "seeing Warnock celebrating a 0-0 against a 10 man Newcastle suggests a long hard season ahead". The highlights I saw suggest I missed little too - unless the BBC are trying to make Cardiff look poor? Maybe some will believe that.

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He celebrated because we saved a last second penalty.

We all did.

Doesn’t mean that he or the rest of us were happy as there was a chance of 3 points there.

I’m not sure Newcastle are THAT bad. They did OK v Spurs the week before. Although prior to the season starting and after Saturday I would have expected them to be amongst the teams battling to stay up.

Notable that Bournemouth good a decent result away at West Ham too, and I thought they were fairly average against us - although marginally better than we were.

It’s early days yet though

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

For a fourth time - I'm going to keep on asking until I get an answer from you;-

"So you are the person we all assume you are then? Tell me, what do you think you would have said to someone who told you in 2008 that in ten years time, you'd be doing what you do now on here when Cardiff City are playing in the Premier League, wearing blue shirts, had an owner who has converted over £70 million worth of club debt into equity over the summer and were going ahead with a new training base?"

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OK, this is the FIRST time I've seen this question, and I am wondering if this is better suited for PMs - but since you are seeking something more public, I'll resist the temptation to have another thread hijacked by the usual culprits (you in this case) and PM you my response . You could have dropped me an e-mail, it's the same address that I used when I spent a good number of hours proof-reading your very fine book.

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

He celebrated because we saved a last second penalty.

We all did.

Doesn’t mean that he or the rest of us were happy as there was a chance of 3 points there.

I’m not sure Newcastle are THAT bad. They did OK v Spurs the week before. Although prior to the season starting and after Saturday I would have expected them to be amongst the teams battling to stay up.

Notable that Bournemouth good a decent result away at West Ham too, and I thought they were fairly average against us - although marginally better than we were.

It’s early days yet though

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I didn't see the whole game, so not sure what the celebrations were. Just pointing out that most people commenting on the game spoke about a huge lack of quality from both teams, and giving an example of one such comment.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

MotD did miss a few things actually - most notably NML blasting high and wide from the edge of the 6 yard box when he should have done anything else... and also Shelvey stopping an open goal opportunity with a last ditch slided-clearance over the bar. They were two important moments in the match that must not have been worthy of a highlights package.

Maybe do yourself a favour in the future and don't watch any of their televised games (even a whole 30mins!).

I doubt that you will find any joy in watching City play these days - unless they get trounced, possibly.

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I was watching on Sky - I think it was about 15 minutes into the game, and we turned off at half time.

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Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost

I thought you might have got over your obsession with a club you no longer support. But now I'm not so sure.

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I've never supported Newcastle.

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Originally Posted by Kris

OK, this is the FIRST time I've seen this question, and I am wondering if this is better suited for PMs - but since you are seeking something more public, I'll resist the temptation to have another thread hijacked by the usual culprits (you in this case) and PM you my response . You could have dropped me an e-mail, it's the same address that I used when I spent a good number of hours proof-reading your very fine book.

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That's the very reason I'm asking that question in public, I've tried to understand your motivation, but I give up.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

That's the very reason I'm asking that question in public, I've tried to understand your motivation, but I give up.

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My motivation is old-fashioned. I think people should behave responsibly, and that irresponsible actions should be met with an apology. Amazingly. my motivation is not derived from on the field success, nor from big transfer fees, cup finals, and all the other jazz that football fans can't live without these days. Not sure why you are replying in this thread seeing as I have sent you a PM to avoid this thread turning into something that it didn't start off as, and to avoid another ban. But, seeing as you are intent on it being public, here was my response.

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For once, you have managed to condense the last 6 years into such succinctity that you have missed some crucial things with regards to recent history at the club. The very fact that you need to mention that the club is now wearing blue shirts, and indicate it as a positive thing sort of misses the point but succinctly proves the point. I have noticed you've become somewhat something of a revisionist in recent years. Nowhere, not even in your revisionist summary of a question, has anyone mentioned that Tan has still not apologised for his behaviour between 2012- (when? the appointment of Warnock?). Behaviour that resulted (regardless of the precise number) in people no longer spending money at a business he runs. It's all ok now though, the club are almost able to sell out a home Premier League game at the start of a Premier League season.

What I am doing is what I have always done on this message board (since about 1997, when crowds were shit and fans were less protective of a run-down club), whether that be as Euclid, Kaiser Jirga II or Badly ironed Shirt or (because of a webmaster who doesn't even understand the meaning of the word "trolling") Kris - give my opinions. In the past, on this very board, I was labelled a gay for speaking against people like ***** Abraham. I also received an "invitation" to see Hammam because of my opinions of his spending. I have also been labelled a "termite" by Steve Borley because (at a time when crowds were barely 3,000) he decided to make it more expensive for people who bought tickets on a match day - something that resulted in my friend boycotting the club for a long time because (with illness and no work) he was in no position to buy tickets in advance. I have received PMs from certain fans threatening all sorts (Mike always ignored these) In all of the above, I was more or less a lone voice with plenty of dissenters. Just because my current opinions are less palatable to the majority than some of my previous views, it doesn't give you the right to question my "motives" (something you have intimated in previous threads) as if these motives are any different to any other times that I have found the club's behaviour unreasonable.

I suspect that, in 2008, you wouldn't have asked that precise question would you? In the same way, I wouldn't have been able to ask you how you would react if an owner labelled you a customer and that he would happily lose one in four of you. Neither of us have an ability to look into the future.

History is usually written by the victors, of which Tan currently stands in that camp. However, I can very well remember the exact points that Tan's antics became something to protest about to the majority of fans - and if my memory starts to fail, I'll just look at the results and say "That's when Tan was seen as being a !**&!, and that's where Tan was loved and lauded by the fans".

Being in a minority is never wrong - failing to give an opinion is. Making comments (like I do) about the club (comments that I always stand by) is not trolling. I'm fully aware that this board is less about football these days, and is turning into an Echo Chamber. I am also aware that some people write things here thinking that Tan may be reading, and hoping he warms up enough to open his cheque book.

Apologies for not answering any of the three previous times, I am conscious that I am spending too much time on this board (according to some), and am a little nervous that a truthful response will see another ban for "taking the piss" from Mike the Precious and his colourful ads.

The very fact that my opinion doesn't change with the promise of Premier League football, or a cup run, or a promotion, or a £6m striker, and the fact that you think that my opinion should change is pretty much a succinct and compact way of illustrating that you don't really get it. "

To be honest that’s a bit self-indulgent for me to read in full. I scanned a couple of paragraphs though where you seem to be positioning yourself as some sort of noble dissenting voice.

In my opinion, very few of your posts come across as anything more than silly little attention-seeking or wind-up posts. That’s genuinely how I view your contributions, not because of your standpoint, but just the tone and style of your posts.

Another thread ruined.🤣

Even a dig on the whats the most youve won on a bet thread. 🤣

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Originally Posted by Kris

I didn't see the whole game, so not sure what the celebrations were. Just pointing out that most people commenting on the game spoke about a huge lack of quality from both teams, and giving an example of one such comment.

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It’s the same old story though.
City get a result and it’s because the opposition is poor, according to the experts, who seem to completely miss that our game is more about making the opposition play poorly than it is being creative ourselves.
We heard it time and time again last season. Apparently Bournemouth were rubbish last week too, yet they beat big spending West Ham - and Newcastle looked decent vs a very good Spurs team, but rubbish v us .

Most of the pundits can only see one way of playing, and sides like us will be written off.

No big deal. I was the one paying to watch, and I really enjoyed it ( might not have if it wasn’t for the penalty save mind 😂 )

This is a trait that could work well for us if we can just be that bit more clinical in for one of goal.

Mike the precious and his colourful ads. It was worth reading for that :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Baloo

To be honest that’s a bit self-indulgent for me to read in full. I scanned a couple of paragraphs though where you seem to be positioning yourself as some sort of noble dissenting voice.

In my opinion, very few of your posts come across as anything more than silly little attention-seeking or wind-up posts. That’s genuinely how I view your contributions, not because of your standpoint, but just the tone and style of your posts.

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That's why I felt it was better in a PM. What did you want me to do - let Bob ask it the question a fifth time?

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Originally Posted by CCFCPhil

That's why I felt it was better in a PM. What did you want me to do - let Bob ask it the question a fifth time?

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Originally Posted by Hilts

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We have another "ninianclark" episode :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Claude Blue

We have another "ninianclark" episode :hehe:

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Unbelievable.🤣🤣

How can I watch it again?

Unless you recorded it on sky, I’m not sure you can.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

For a fourth time - I'm going to keep on asking until I get an answer from you;-

"So you are the person we all assume you are then? Tell me, what do you think you would have said to someone who told you in 2008 that in ten years time, you'd be doing what you do now on here when Cardiff City are playing in the Premier League, wearing blue shirts, had an owner who has converted over £70 million worth of club debt into equity over the summer and were going ahead with a new training base?"

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Good luck answering his reply, rather you than me. He obviously sees himself as a heroic figure and seems to be completely unaware that he's just a troll on the message board of a football team he doesn't support. Pretty disturbing.

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Originally Posted by Loramski

Good luck answering his reply, rather you than me. He obviously sees himself as a heroic figure and seems to be completely unaware that he's just a troll on the message board of a football team he doesn't support. Pretty disturbing.

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I find it quite sad. I agree with you and others who say that he seems to see himself as some sort of hero, but, to be honest, I read his posts these days and those of the Bristol City and Leeds supporting trolls we have on here and don't see much difference in them. As I say, it's sad because he's better than that and he would be a good addition to this board in different circumstances, but I read his reply to my question (which I still don't think he's really answered) thinking that even if Vincent Tan was to send him a hand written apology, it wouldn't change how he feels.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I find it quite sad. I agree with you and others who say that he seems to see himself as some sort of hero, but, to be honest, I read his posts these days and those of the Bristol City and Leeds supporting trolls we have on here and don't see much difference in them. As I say, it's sad because he's better than that and he would be a good addition to this board in different circumstances, but I read his reply to my question (which I still don't think he's really answered) thinking that even if Vincent Tan was to send him a hand written apology, it wouldn't change how he feels.

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Interesting last sentence that.

TOBW, I haven't made a point of reading this Kris fella's posts much, they're often a bit long winded in many cases. However, in this thread, there appears to be two posters whose style of wording and argument are remarkably similar, don't you think?

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

Interesting last sentence that.

TOBW, I haven't made a point of reading this Kris fella's posts much, they're often a bit long winded in many cases. However, in this thread, there appears to be two posters whose style of wording and argument are remarkably similar, don't you think?

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Are you talking about Kris and the Lone Gunman? If you are, then I'm 99.999999999% sure that they aren't the same person.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Are you talking about Kris and the Lone Gunman? If you are, then I'm 99.999999999% sure that they aren't the same person.

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See CCFC Phils post.😂😂

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Originally Posted by CCFCPhil

That's why I felt it was better in a PM. What did you want me to do - let Bob ask it the question a fifth time?

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Jesus Christ this is him too! He must literally be the saddest man on the planet.

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Originally Posted by CCFCPhil

My mate reckons Zohore refused to be a sub and stormed out.

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This was obviously made up from the get go, it’s even more obvious now, no chance he’s got a mate :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Hilts

See CCFC Phils post.����

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Apologies to Rock Flock of Five - caught bang to rights I'd say.

So yea decent point in the end ........

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Apologies to Rock Flock of Five - caught bang to rights I'd say.

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I replied in this thread to Kris, realising that was BIS and he responded to me whilst logged in as CCFC Phil. Whatever his motivation, he must find it very satisfying to put so much effort in.

Back on topic I was really heartened by our midfield & thought that our defence looked pretty solid against a team that finished what, 10th last season ?
We do look pretty toothless upfront though & the one thing that always bothers me about Zohore is that he always looks pretty unconcerned when he misses an opportunity ?

Just a couple of occasions where CCFCPhil was called out as Jirga but denied it.The first one is particularly good as Kris joins in


http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...=1#post4707591

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...=1#post4688997



While you're on, Jirga/Kris/BIS/Phil - why was Phil posting like this at the start?

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/search.php?sea...49&pp=&page=15

So did he try to invent himself a stupid alter ego? Then decided to just start being "normal"

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with ekrem dally and the other noregens

noone fort that team wud do any good

they did betta when slad cam in

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How old is he ffs, could maybe get away with this nonsense as a 13 year old but I always thought he was about 40.

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Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86

Unless you recorded it on sky, I’m not sure you can.

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balls

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Originally Posted by Baker

balls

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https://www.footballorgin.com/cardif...mier-league/2/

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Originally Posted by lardy

Just a couple of occasions where CCFCPhil was called out as Jirga but denied it.The first one is particularly good as Kris joins in


http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...=1#post4707591

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...=1#post4688997



While you're on, Jirga/Kris/BIS/Phil - why was Phil posting like this at the start?

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/search.php?sea...49&pp=&page=15

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I wonder how many multis he has on this board. Perhaps hes on late at night talking to himself.🤣🤣🤣

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Originally Posted by CCFCPhil

so desapinting

why is tan seling 2 gorlies in 1 wek

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He should be banned for his own wellbeing, he’s losing his mind ffs.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

As I watched the game I was wondering what a difference Troy Deeney could have made. And at the end of it, despite the penalty save, it still felt like 2 points dropped.

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Yep Me too 👍

Some thoughts on reflection

I thought we showed determination as opposed to physicality and we are not likely to be bullied and then accused of being dirty

We didn’t really use our pace very well especially in the wider channels

I’m not sure what’s going on with Zohore. It may be that we play the ball to feet rather than expect him to win headers in spite of his size

Defensively we looked solid but I fear we will struggle against sides who can move the ball quickly into the danger areas

Trying to pass the ball out of defense is a mistake We do need to change the shape of our midfield to let the deep lying midfielder make the transition plays

We moved the ball very well in the middle because of Arter and Camarasa

we should be building around them and their undoubted abilities and including Reid and Murphy as outlets for them

Hoilett and NML haven’t really looked like they’re involved yet

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

He should be banned for his own wellbeing, he’s losing his mind ffs.

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Shut up, Jirga.

Did I post in the wrong thread