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Then how was "hindsight applied to Corbyn appears to stick" relevant to this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
And I am not dodging your question. I did in fact as you well know give you an example of EU bullying (over the money we are going to have to pay to leave)but it was apparently too long ago fot you.
Just can't be bothered to respond again to that thread at present. Suffering from Brexit overload.
It was relevant to what LOM posted, I replied to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Asking for someone to pay for their commitments isn't bullying and logically you cant discuss the future without sorting out the present. I don't understand how anybody could see that as bullying if I am honest.
It's all down to loyalty for me ,theres lots of stuff I disagree with,and yes leaders past and present have applied wrong decesions ,in the main though they have been applied in a protective way , albeit in someways wrong .
My concerns with Jeremy are he doesn't actually like the UK ,the West, and it's decesions ,his associations I feel are not in our best interest or becoming of a leader of this country .
That is an acceptable opinion to hold but one that is impossible to quantify or argue against really.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Does corbyn hate the UK? He definitely wants it to change but so do most politicians.
What Corbyn has struggled with is being able to hold a view without associating with every other person holding that view, your enemies enemy is not always your friend.
He hasn't had a managed route to power so his career in politics before leadership has not been santised along the way like a Blair or Cameron was.
I have no real affinity with Corbyn, I didn't know much about him before he became leader but now it just feels like him going sparks a move back to business friendly (ie business led) new labour and a complete abandonment of anything resembling a left wing party.
When it was Cameron and Blair/brown, the guy on the street said 'they are all the same what is the point', now they are markedly different he says 'they are extremists, hard left and hard right'. It is frustrating to watch.
I don't think he hates the UK , but I do feel he dislikes its position and western demorcay partners ,and associations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
In my view he would personally struggle with the many aspects of a modern western democracy , with acute security measures, and behaviours , how he would manage our close relationship with the USA and simalair western democracies woukd prove to be tough , and his approach to the Russian leaderships and behavours , would be very difficulty and probably unpalatable to many voters .
He has some nice soundbites for the young folk , around tuition fees , nationalisation , free bus rides , taxing the rich ,more open and broader approach to immigration , all of which is very exciting but in my opinion would hurt generations to come financially, particularly with the unknown Brexit impact looming ,chucking money around now, for votes, is very dangerous in my view.
What would you call the past 8 years considering debt has nearly doubled? The conservatives made this warning in 2010:Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Does that count as a soundbite now?Quote:
One thing is clear. We can’t go on with the old model of an economy built on debt. Irresponsible
public spending, an overblown banking sector, and unsustainable consumer borrowing on the back
of a housing bubble were the features of an age of irresponsibility that left Britain badly exposed to
the economic crisis. Now, with the national debt already doubled and in danger of doubling again, it
is this debt – together with the jobs tax that Labour will introduce to help pay for it – that threatens
to kill the recovery.
It is clear from the Brown goverment through the coalition, to present day , yes a lot of soundbite has echoed , however I do feel we survived , to certain extent through a bad recession , where countries like Iceland, Ireland and Greece suffered badly , and Italy and Spain are still having hard times with inflation and youth unemploymentQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
We I feel faired better, if that's soundbite so be it
Debt was always going to be a factor in a recession ,giving more money away now is madness, and yes just soundbite for election votes , its so easy to say, not so easy to deliver without impacting on services ,infaltion and jobs .
1.36 million unemployed ,lowest figures in 40 years and after a recession ,is not that bad .