Doesn't that make it even more sensible to have a vote where people are judging things on reality, rather than who can tell the most enticing lies?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
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Doesn't that make it even more sensible to have a vote where people are judging things on reality, rather than who can tell the most enticing lies?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
This, maybe billy boy is in a nice cushty position he doesn’t really care what happens but it will be a massive kick in the teeth for most people and what’s making it worse is the current government is so fecking useless they can’t even get our own house in order, I think it will be catastrophic for us if there’s a no deal brexitQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Quite possibly the most ironic post in the history of the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Sarcastic, snide, condescending and patronising. All rolled into one.
The ramifications were all there at the time of the vote, we were just unaware because the remain campaign didn't do a decent job of presenting them. All the problems that are looming haven't been created in the last 18 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
So, just about one in nine in the UK watched it.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
So you thought you were voting for a no deal Brexit in 2016?Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Farage said he would keep on campaigning for another referendum on the EU if Leave ended up losing the vote 52/48, so I can only assume he supports calls for a second vote? Some people had been campaigning for another vote on our membership of the EEC/EU for forty years before they got one - this won't go away on 30 March, there will be calls for a vote to rejoin the EU (or whatever replaces it) for decades to come, but, of course, the generation most responsible for the result (mine) won't be around to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
to see what ?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
[QUOTE=the other bob wilson;4935925]So you thought you were voting for a no deal Brexit in 2016?[/QUOTE
Yes
Can you explain what will be catastrophic with a no deal Brexit?Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
Doesn’t matter what generation you belong to in a national vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
https://amp.economist.com/leaders/20...no-deal-brexitQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
So after reading through all that, I was expecting to see a plague of locust and 40 days and nights of torrential rain. It all ended though, with a no deal Brexit “COULD” result in a wreck.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
So what are the good things that "COULD" come out of the no deal that you are after?Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Are you retired? What has this country to offer in leading markets? We will end up spunking more money away than what we pay to stay in the EU imo and god knows what will happen to the pound the country is already in a mess with massive debt and you believe it will all be fine after a short period? The original referendum was a joke nobody really knew wtf they was voting for MP’s lied through their teeth and don’t bullshit you voted for a no deal brexitQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Cmon Lardy. You’ve more about you than that. The EU is corrupt. Full of unelected members who make up laws and rules as they wish. Most of its members are bankrupt. Most of them owe each other billions, that they can never repay. It has become a stranglehold.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I’m wanting the UK out. Standing on its own 2 feet. Being responsible for itself. (Which we should all be striving to do in all walks of life).
The very fact that it’s proving so difficult to leave with some sort of deal, proves what a corrupt network it actually is.
What started off as a common market aimed to help neighbouring countries do cheaper trade deals together has grown into an all consuming monster.
Just as Thatcher tested the poll tax waters in Scotland first, we are the guinee pigs in wanting out, and are being threatened with all sorts of disasters for having the audacity to even think about it.
No I’m not retired, and yes I voted for a no deal Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
A referendum to rejoin whatever version of the EU is around in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
[QUOTE=William Treseder;4935931]Sorry, but I don't believe you.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
But apparently not as loved as Wallace and Gromit. Twice as many turned on to watch them. And thinking about it, Wallace would make a better King than Charles, and Gromit could see of those bloody corgies.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Of course it does, when so many of the people who will be around to experience the true consequences of the decision taken were not given a vote and so many who voted will be dead and gone when the true cost/value of the decision and others who did have a say will be long gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
That is utter nonsense! Should the vote have been only for 3yr olds up to 21 yr olds?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
[QUOTE=the other bob wilson;4935961]The ballot paper said leave or stay. Nothing else. Nothing about “a deal”.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
I would have prefered it to have been for voters between the ages of 16 and 59.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Are you just selfish or just don’t give a shit what state you leave the place for the next generationQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
[QUOTE=William Treseder;4935967]Still don't believe you voted specifically for going out of the EU with no deal - which is what you said earlier in the thread as I understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
[QUOTE=the other bob wilson;4935972]That’s fine. Your entitled to your opinion, although I’ve said a few times in this thread that I’m happy to leave with no deal. As for your age frame for voters, then we really are entering murky waters if we go down that Rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
No I’m not selfish. I’m far from that. I just believe we will be better off out of Europe. You disagree. Fine. That’s what this MB is all about.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
I struggle to see how you think we’ll come out better off in the end? What makes you believe this?Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
[QUOTE=William Treseder;4935967]True - but leave campaigners were going on for months about 'Norway', 'Switzerland', 'Canada' and how the EU would be desperate to offer up a 'cake and eat it' trade deal to the UK if we voted out. Of course none of that had any impact on people in the voting booths did it?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
[QUOTE=jon1959;4935993]The 1st word in your reply is the important one. The rest is just assumptions made by you.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Not bad for someone is not liked , plus many millions who still like the lady ,not everyone wants others in charged equally costing a lot .Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
If anyone is worried about tax payers money have a look at over paid police commissioners, NHS trust heads , council leaders , Wales in isolation has a dreadful over layered tax laden government and councils .
[QUOTE=William Treseder;4935994]The contents of the leave campaign is not an assumption. It is a fact. 'True' in fact!Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Won't happen. The EU/Euro is benefiting Germany whilst countries like Italy haven't seen any growth in GDP for 25 years. Huge unemployment across Spain and Eastern Europe. The EU as a political entity will be gone..Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Who knows, but the EU need the UK more than the other way round. I think the trade 'deficit' is something like £50 billion a year, so the queues of lorries will be longer in France and Belgium. Plus you can add the £40 billion we won't pay the EU. The UK economy is stronger than all EU countries bar Germany - they'll be sh*tting themselves with a 'no deal' brexit, which, I guess is May's strategy to get some last minute concessions..Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
I’m not keen and never have been, on organisations that get too big and get too much power. The EU is becoming just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
Here we get the chance to vote out the government every 4 yrs if the people want to. Not so with the EU.
We are quite capable as an independent country to stand on our own 2 feet, make our own laws and rules, and trade with every other country in the world that we want to trade with.
We will still be able to travel anywhere in the world that we want to.
There are parts of the UK that are in dire straits right now, whilst we are in the EU.
I see al lot of panic and scaremongering, just as there was when Scotland had their independence vote. The fear of the unknown can hold people back. I am confident the UK can both survive and prosper with out being tied to the EU. You may disagree.
..and just those in London for good measure..Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
In the last 40 years, the Tories have won every general election, apart from the few won by Labour under one man who was doing an impression of a Tory. This is the worst government I've ever known and I'm sure they'd still squeak a win at GE tomorrow, such is the political landscape set up for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Which countries are we trying to trade with now that we aren't able to? The difference is that as part of the EU, we'd get a much better deal with other countries than on our own. That stands to reason as being part of a big group. That's why countries form big groups to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Which EU laws don't you like? We've been one of the biggest forces in forming those laws and we have a veto. In future, if we want to continue dealing with the EU (and we should) we'll be going along with those rules anyway but we won't have had a say in them.
But it's suddenly got a lot more difficult to live in a certain part of the world or have a spouse or family from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
And those parts get more funding from the EU than Westminster, as we in Wales should know all too well.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
I agree the UK can prosper out of the EU. I have zero confidence that our current parliament will achieve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
The EU is corrupt. Every institution is. The question is how much. Unfortunately our Parliament has had expenses scandals, cash for questions, big business lobbying and I don't see what has been done to sort it.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
It's a very sad state of affairs that some people still believe this is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Oh dear, !!Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy