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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Out of interest how old are you mate? Not having a dig, just wondering which famously tough generation you're part of and what this new one can learn from you guys
I bet you wouldn't say that to Norman Hunter, Dave MacKay, Ron "Chopper" Harris or Tommy Smith!
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Generation snowflake , bless them . Probably not anywhere near the required level and having no discipline in schools , get a rollicking and cannot handle it .
Isn’t it weird that this is people’s reaction to any sort of adversity, you don’t know even really know what’s happened yet.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Isn’t it weird that this is people’s reaction to any sort of adversity, you don’t know even really know what’s happened yet.
Absolutely. Dismiss weak comments as those who shouldn't contribute. If the right ever get total control over Britain I'm out of here.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
It’s short sighted and shows short memory I’m in my 30s and people were saying the same about my generation being soft, the same for the generation before that.
It’s been going on for centuries and it’ll be continued by miserable old bastards with zero common sense forever.
The leading cause of death for men under 40 is still suicide ffs, the world isn’t getting too soft it’s just catching up with how people should be treated so they aren’t ****ed up later in life.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
Lots of psychoanalysis going on in this thread, but the truth of the matter is most people aren't wired for the rigours of professional football, and the sooner they find it out the better it will be for all concerned.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Lots of psychoanalysis going on in this thread, but the truth of the matter is most people aren't wired for the rigours of professional football, and the sooner they find it out the better it will be for all concerned.
Do you advocate an initial course in correcting this or letting youngsters find out for themselves?
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Lots of psychoanalysis going on in this thread, but the truth of the matter is most people aren't wired for the rigours of professional football, and the sooner they find it out the better it will be for all concerned.
"the rigours of professional football"
Have a ****ing day off.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Do you advocate an initial course in correcting this or letting youngsters find out for themselves?
Football is a very psychological activity, and you have to know how people tick. Those in charge push a few buttons to see what peoples limits are. A team is only as strong as it's weakest links, so I presume they like to weed out the ones who won't make it as quickly as possible.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Lots of psychoanalysis going on in this thread, but the truth of the matter is most people aren't wired for the rigours of professional football, and the sooner they find it out the better it will be for all concerned.
Probably easier to watch them play football and decide if they can cope with playing football than anything else.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Probably easier to watch them play football and decide if they can cope with playing football than anything else.
If it's so easy, why do so many talented youngters fade out of the game? The attrition rate is extremely high.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
If it's so easy, why do so many talented youngters fade out of the game? The attrition rate is extremely high.
Between the Warnock brexit thread, the crisps thread as well as the thread regarding Warnock's knuckles the last 24 hours on this board have seen an abnormal amount of shite posted on it. You might have taken the biscuit though.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
If it's so easy, why do so many talented youngters fade out of the game? The attrition rate is extremely high.
Because they aren’t good enough, it could be mentally or physically but I don’t think treating them like shit is the best way to find out about it.
How do we know how many top talents have been lost because of poor coaching and handling of kids at youth level?
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Because they aren’t good enough, it could be mentally or physically but I don’t think treating them like shit is the best way to find out about it.
How do we know how many top talents have been lost because of poor coaching and handling of kids at youth level?
Maybe we should start playing 500 a side games to reduce the attrition rate.
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Why aren’t we just waterboarding them in their first week to see who the mentally tough ones are?
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Between the Warnock brexit thread, the crisps thread as well as the thread regarding Warnock's knuckles the last 24 hours on this board have seen an abnormal amount of shite posted on it. You might have taken the biscuit though.
That's your opinion mate. I spent 5 years learning football from ex-pros who played under, and alongside some of the biggest names in football. I know the work ethic and mental strengh that is required to make it, and to be honest it was a relief when I discovered girls and beer :-)
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
That's your opinion mate. I spent 5 years learning football from ex-pros who played under, and alongside some of the biggest names in football. I know the work ethic and mental strengh that is required to make it, and to be honest it was a relief when I discovered girls and beer :-)
I agree with you to the extent that I always say that, even if I had been talented enough to make it as a professional footballer, I lacked the mental toughness and all round discipline to have made a career in the game - like you it seems, I don't think I would have enjoyed the profession either.
However, does it really have to be the way you describe? While I appreciate that young footballers shouldn't be mollycoddled and given carte blanche to do what they like, I mentioned in an e-mail yesterday that the attitude of some involved in coaching young players appears to be "well, I suffered when I was a kid coming through, so I'm going to make sure this lot do as well".
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
That's your opinion mate. I spent 5 years learning football from ex-pros who played under, and alongside some of the biggest names in football. I know the work ethic and mental strengh that is required to make it, and to be honest it was a relief when I discovered girls and beer :-)
But how is that even related to the complaints against the club? No one is saying the players should be mollycoddled but if there is a bad atmosphere in the academy that’s not good for anyone.
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One of the accusations of verbal bullying was that Harvey told the teenager he'd had a 'f****** holocaust' in front of his team-mates after he made a mistake in a game.
That's "verbal bullying"?
The fact that these parents ran to the Daily Mail of all places makes me suspicious.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Out of interest how old are you mate? Not having a dig, just wondering which famously tough generation you're part of and what this new one can learn from you guys
An era when you were in the wrong you would get a clip off teachers , the local bobby etc . Six of the best was the deterrent. Where you had winners and losers not we are winners to appease the bed wetting liberals.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
An era when you were in the wrong you would get a clip off teachers , the local bobby etc . Six of the best was the deterrent. Where you had winners and losers not we are winners to appease the bed wetting liberals.
Sounds a better era when people were getting hit by teachers and policemen fair play.
For the rest I’d say stop believing everything you read in the paper.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
An era when you were in the wrong you would get a clip off teachers , the local bobby etc . Six of the best was the deterrent. Where you had winners and losers not we are winners to appease the bed wetting liberals.
What you fail to mention is that was the same time as when Jimmy Saville was fixing it for kids and Rolf Harris was a lovely tv presenter that wouldn't harm a fly
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
An era when you were in the wrong you would get a clip off teachers , the local bobby etc . Six of the best was the deterrent. Where you had winners and losers not we are winners to appease the bed wetting liberals.
Schools and childrens leagues still have winners and losers. Whats your point?
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
An era when you were in the wrong you would get a clip off teachers , the local bobby etc . Six of the best was the deterrent. Where you had winners and losers not we are winners to appease the bed wetting liberals.
Yeah figured you'd say something like that. Take those rose tinted glasses off and step aside :old:
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Yeah figured you'd say something like that. Take those rose tinted glasses off and step aside :old:
Ok soy boy , do it your way , not very impressed with your reasoning, but I am an old gimmer , bimbling down the inside lane of life and probably so out of touch . Please forgive me but bear in mind that an elder human knows more than you may possibly think . Bless you and I will step aside . May all your dreams come true little one . Peace , love and happiness child 🧒
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Generation snowflake , bless them . Probably not anywhere near the required level and having no discipline in schools , get a rollicking and cannot handle it .
THIS
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
thehumblegringo
What you fail to mention is that was the same time as when Jimmy Saville was fixing it for kids and Rolf Harris was a lovely tv presenter that wouldn't harm a fly
Ok , now we have got shot of all the bad guys in this utopian world you live in . Try and explain the grooming gangs of Telford , Rotherham etc .
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Ok , now we have got shot of all the bad guys in this utopian world you live in . Try and explain the grooming gangs of Telford , Rotherham etc .
What the **** has that got to do with the original point made?
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Are you pissed Ken , you are dribbling like a bad boy .
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
ken smith
What the **** has that got to do with the original point made?
Why didn’t you aim that at Gringo? He was first to mention the kiddie fiddlers.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
I agree with you to the extent that I always say that, even if I had been talented enough to make it as a professional footballer, I lacked the mental toughness and all round discipline to have made a career in the game - like you it seems, I don't think I would have enjoyed the profession either.
However, does it really have to be the way you describe? While I appreciate that young footballers shouldn't be mollycoddled and given carte blanche to do what they like, I mentioned in an e-mail yesterday that the attitude of some involved in coaching young players appears to be "well, I suffered when I was a kid coming through, so I'm going to make sure this lot do as well".
There has to be discipline and a realisation that everything that you do, you do it well, and next time you do it, you do it better. Everything is geared up to having high standards, from your appearance to your character, i failed miserably in both departments! Without being rude, people don't really understand what it is like unless they experience it. I was with the club from the age of 12 up until i was 18. From the age of about 14 i realised that things were hotting up, i started thinking competitively, when i went out onto the pitch or training ground i wanted to be the best and i wanted everyone else to be shit, they were my friends but also my rivals. When i signed Apprentice forms it became even more intense, i had two years to be one of the best out of about 13 lads in my age group, i wanted them to fail-imagine having that mind set from the age of 14. I was actually pleased when one of my rivals did poorly, as long as i did well i didn't give a **** about them, i had to be that way.
My coach was a tough northerner with a pretty average pro career, he had managed two Professional clubs previously, so it was a bit of a come down for him and you could sense it. I've documented some of the things i experienced, it was vicious and not at all character building, i was scared of him and i know that other lads were as well. There was a culture of bullying, when individuals were targeted it took no time before the pack descended upon them, the thinking was, if it was somebody else getting shit, then it wasn't me. A lot of this was done to test you, see how you responded. I didn't enjoy any of it, the pressure was huge, if did poorly in training then you'd get ridiculed, it wasn't jokey. There has to be discipline and young players do need telling from time to time, but to those who think that certain behaviours are acceptable because they build character i ask you this-Would you verbally abuse your kids if they couldn't do their homework? We don't find it beneficial to scream at kids in an Educational environment, why should that be different when they're learning to play football?
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
An era when you were in the wrong you would get a clip off teachers , the local bobby etc . Six of the best was the deterrent. Where you had winners and losers not we are winners to appease the bed wetting liberals.
Engage your brain for a second and think, if that's true then who has changed it? Is it the young generation? Or is it the generation who were getting clipped and then became adults?
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
What happened to an arm around the shoulder for some and a kick up the arse for others (depending on personality) or is that only reserved for senior players?
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Ok soy boy , do it your way , not very impressed with your reasoning, but I am an old gimmer , bimbling down the inside lane of life and probably so out of touch . Please forgive me but bear in mind that an elder human knows more than you may possibly think . Bless you and I will step aside . May all your dreams come true little one . Peace , love and happiness child 🧒
You’re chatting complete shite in fairness
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Ok soy boy , do it your way , not very impressed with your reasoning, but I am an old gimmer , bimbling down the inside lane of life and probably so out of touch . Please forgive me but bear in mind that an elder human knows more than you may possibly think . Bless you and I will step aside . May all your dreams come true little one . Peace , love and happiness child 🧒
There’s been some embarrassing stuff posted on here the last couple of days but this takes the cake :hehe:
It’s like someone built a bot to generate silly old c*nt opinions after reading the daily mail and right wing websites.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
Why didn’t you aim that at Gringo? He was first to mention the kiddie fiddlers.
When I answered I wasn't necessarily targeting sexual abuse. What I was trying to point out was that when people like the "local bobby" are allowed to judge when to give someone a clip without regulation then it often leads To a society where abuse goes on unchecked.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
thehumblegringo
When I answered I wasn't necessarily targeting sexual abuse. What I was trying to point out was that when people like the "local bobby" are allowed to judge when to give someone a clip without regulation then it often leads To a society where abuse goes on unchecked.
I see your point. But there is just as much abuse going on now that is unchecked.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
thehumblegringo
When I answered I wasn't necessarily targeting sexual abuse. What I was trying to point out was that when people like the "local bobby" are allowed to judge when to give someone a clip without regulation then it often leads To a society where abuse goes on unchecked.
That's what I thought. I can't imagine being ok with strangers hitting my kids.
This talk of snowflake generation is rubbish anyway. You've always had kids who are alright with a rollicking and those who aren't. Tuerto's posts about his experiences have been interesting. The difference now is that one voice can be heard more easily, so we're more likely to hear the stories.
To be honest, when you look at Barry Bannon and other similar cases that have come out, it's no bad thing if coaches are under greater scrutiny. I'm not saying that's happened here obviously, but if the culture is to be verbally abusive then it makes it easier for those who take things too far to slip through the net.
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
There has to be discipline and a realisation that everything that you do, you do it well, and next time you do it, you do it better. Everything is geared up to having high standards, from your appearance to your character, i failed miserably in both departments! Without being rude, people don't really understand what it is like unless they experience it. I was with the club from the age of 12 up until i was 18. From the age of about 14 i realised that things were hotting up, i started thinking competitively, when i went out onto the pitch or training ground i wanted to be the best and i wanted everyone else to be shit, they were my friends but also my rivals. When i signed Apprentice forms it became even more intense, i had two years to be one of the best out of about 13 lads in my age group, i wanted them to fail-imagine having that mind set from the age of 14. I was actually pleased when one of my rivals did poorly, as long as i did well i didn't give a **** about them, i had to be that way.
My coach was a tough northerner with a pretty average pro career, he had managed two Professional clubs previously, so it was a bit of a come down for him and you could sense it. I've documented some of the things i experienced, it was vicious and not at all character building, i was scared of him and i know that other lads were as well. There was a culture of bullying, when individuals were targeted it took no time before the pack descended upon them, the thinking was, if it was somebody else getting shit, then it wasn't me. A lot of this was done to test you, see how you responded. I didn't enjoy any of it, the pressure was huge, if did poorly in training then you'd get ridiculed, it wasn't jokey. There has to be discipline and young players do need telling from time to time, but to those who think that certain behaviours are acceptable because they build character i ask you this-Would you verbally abuse your kids if they couldn't do their homework? We don't find it beneficial to scream at kids in an Educational environment, why should that be different when they're learning to play football?
Thanks for that. As you say, those who haven't experienced what you have cannot really comment on it with much authority, but I must say that what you describe sounds nothing like an environment where teenagers, or possibly younger kids than that these days, would prosper - for every one who developed to their full potential with a football upbringing like that, there has to plenty more that didn't surely?
Judging by what you say in your first paragraph, the sort of thing you talk about in your second paragraph was going on early in your six year association with the club - can you confirm that this was the case?
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Re: "I believe there is a real problem at Cardiff's academy."
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Ok soy boy , do it your way , not very impressed with your reasoning, but I am an old gimmer , bimbling down the inside lane of life and probably so out of touch . Please forgive me but bear in mind that an elder human knows more than you may possibly think . Bless you and I will step aside . May all your dreams come true little one . Peace , love and happiness child
I'm 35 you muppet :hehe: Just not blinded by a hatred of anything that's different to what it was when I was growing up