I’d be surprised if Nantes were “demanding” anything at this present moment in time.
Sensational headline. Good for a 2/3 page discussion on here though.
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I’d be surprised if Nantes were “demanding” anything at this present moment in time.
Sensational headline. Good for a 2/3 page discussion on here though.
Exactly and maybe the lawyers for Nantes are saying that they should demand payment to establish their position.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Because he needed the flying hours to keep his pilot licence. This is by no means unusual as a minimum number of hours need to be flown every year and it can be very expensive when you don't own your own 'plane (or have easy access to one).Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
No one said it was free. It was said that Sala was told that he didn't have to pay for it, i.e. it was free for him. But someone must have paid for it at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
I'll be interested when the owners of the aircraft make their insurance claim for the loss of their aircraft, and the bag of worms that will reveal.
No one knows the full facts . It’s just guesswork and conjecture at the moment.
Personally I’d rather they kept it out of the public eye.
Yes and maybe cardiff lawyers are saying if we pay now then that could invalidate any later claim- such as thw transfer not being complete due to international clearance. I suppose that could give nantes the possibility of receiving the transfer money from us and then also being the ones to make the insurance claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueToujours
I mean if he was still technically their player subject to international clearance then it's unlikely our insurers would be able to pay out would they?
I doubt any of us will ever get to know what happens anyway. How did this get into the media i wonder?
100%. I’m never going to put anyone on ignore as there’s normally so much good stuff on here - even from posters who I clash opinions with - but there’s been some stuff on here that I’ve not enjoyed reading about the whole tragic episode. I’ll just be glad when the family have closure - I realise people want to post about it but it just feels so insensitive to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
Wild guess, but probably via an agent who’s slavering over his cutQuote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
I wonder. Media have clearly been told by someone. I cant see why nantes or cardiff would want any of this public right now? Don't know though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
Interesting to note which media outlet first revealed this story yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
The times today saysQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
"Cardiff are believed to have obtained insurance for Sala on completing his signing before confirming their liability for the transfer fee by lodging his registration with the FA of Wales on January 21, the day of his flight. The club have an insurance policy of £16 million per player, which would cover the fee for their record signing, but not all of his £2.5 million salary over three and a half years, some of which is likely to be paid to his family. Bordeaux are entitled to a 50 per cent cut of the fee because Sala was on their books from 2012 to 2015, but the club have denied reports that they have asked Nantes for the money."
There is also liability for the agent's fee. That would go down badly if the people who organised the flight were entitled to anything. I can well understand the club not paying the agent until the results of the various investigations are known but if Sala was 100% our player then we are liable to pay Nantes even though the request is somewhat unseemly at this difficult time. The other outstanding issue - namely Sala's wages - has now been clarified. It would appear we are liable for Sala's salary even though that does seem bizarre in the circumstances. I am afraid the lawyers are going to have a field day and as usual they will be the biggest winner in this tragic episode.
Surely if the plane transports people the company must have some type of Public Liability Insurance !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The liability will be to the estate of the deceased, not his employer.Quote:
Originally Posted by SABlue
Has that really been clarified? There are so many 'news reports' out there that contradict each other (and The Times is no more reliable than many others) and speculate everything from no salary liability through to an estimated £30m total cost for the transfer of which only £16m is covered by Cardiff's player insurance. I hope the club come out and make a statement on the situation at a time that is appropriate and when there has been some closure for the families. Otherwise guesswork will continue to pose as fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
I know some people don't want to see any discussion of these issues yet, and think it is disrespectful. I feel a bit of that too, but the stories are all over the newsfeeds and it is impossible to avoid. The initial shock has passed for many, and we are left with sadness and anger at wasted lives, and deep sympathy for the families - but we are also fans and want to know if this tragedy has financially crippled the club (budgets and FFP compliance). I want the club to continue to show respect and restraint, but sometime soon I also want to know the legal and financial facts.
No i'm talking about the Company that OWNS and operates the plane should have Public liability insuranceQuote:
Originally Posted by Harry Monk
Will all insurances be null and void if its proven the pilot was flying without the right licenses?
Yes, but the liability of the insurnace company will be to the family of the deceased, not his employer. In other words, they have no reason to pay Cardiff City, only his estate.Quote:
Originally Posted by SABlue
My employer would not get a payout from insurance if I was on a plane at it went down. We are only employees, and are replacable.
Sorry misread your reply :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Monk
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Originally Posted by SABlue
There are so many ways that the insurance aspect of this tradegy could unravel, that I would't blame F.C. Nante if they are trying to get in early and claim their payment. Likewise, I wouldn't blame CCFC for witholding payment until they have assessed the legal implications.
Surely only some lowlife pondlife would put this out there, so very likely an agent....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
You’re wasted on here. You should be sorting out Brexit and Global poverty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Are you a taxi driver or barber by any chance 😂
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Originally Posted by William Treseder
Totally off-topic and irrelevant comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Obviously the numbers don't add up and somebody is going to lose out, and we may well find ourselves without a chair when the music stops, or do you see things otherwise?
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Originally Posted by jamieccfc
Let’s be fair you’re a expert in well EVERYTHINGQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Totally off-topic and irrelevant comment. It's people like you who are screwing up this message board.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
I hope the below questions are not too offensive.
Now that the body has been identified as Emiliano Sala will the club now go ahead and release the first payment to FC Nantes?
Do you think the insurance company will pay out City now that Emiliano's body has been found?
Did he die the day before he was our player? If so was he legally still a Nantes player. So insensitive I know but these things wil need to be talked about.Quote:
Originally Posted by SABlue
Its my understanding that he signed for us on the Saturday, papers were submitted on the Monday the day he went missing, so according to the papers he was a Cardiff City playerQuote:
Originally Posted by Auntie Andy
A very insensitive topic indeed, but it will have to be answered at some point. All I know from a commercial law module I took at university, is you sign a contract setting out the terms and conditions for the delivery of goods or services, and if those conditions are not met then the contract will be null and void, and compensation may be sought. Put simply, it all depends on what was in the contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by SABlue
Today’s Telegraph Sport has a very good article about the whole issue by Oliver BrownQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
To quote two passages.......
‘ Neil Warnock, who has been an eloquent unifying voice for Cardiff through a profoundly difficult period, argues that the outpouring over Sala presents the sport at its best. He has pointedly thanked Nantes for their compassionate response in the immediate aftermath. But this is the same Nantes who, as a body bag is lifted from the waters, have deemed it an appropriate moment to knock on Cardiff,s door’
‘ The football family comes together at times like these says the head of Cardiff,s supporters trust. It is a naive view. For behind the prayers and the vigils,the scarfs and the No9 shirts, lies a webof boundless cynicism. For all the talk of class and respect, football can, as Nantes latest actions prove,be a quite startlingly classless enterprise’
As I am referred to in the article , I think it sensible to clarify what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Firstly , I have never given an interview to the Telegraph , so they must have lifted an edited version from some other media coverage.
Secondly , in all the interviews I have given , I have made it quite clear that reference to the "football family" was primarily to football fans.
I’m just extracting from the article. He might be quoting Tim Hartley,s commentson the Trust website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since62
The point is that Nantes action is hardly appropriate at this time
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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
I appreciate that you are just quoting from the article. That article refers to "head of Cardiff Supporters Trust" and I have not given an interview to the Telegraph so they have misquoted me.
Keith
Sorry , have just seen Tim`s article on the Trust website which he wrote as a Trust board member (he was previously Chair of the Trust before me) which he wrote on 23 January quoting some examples of support messages we had received from other Supporters Trusts and fan groups in those initial days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since62
Surely this changes when employees are bought and sold though? The fact he is worth £15m practically changes him almost into cargo???Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Monk
The contact would have stipulated his starting date, i.e. either with immediate effect when it was signed, when it was filed with the FA, when the international clearance was granted, or when the player reported for training. There does seem to have been a tremendous concern about getting him to training on-time, which is the ultimate reason for this entire tradegy. If only somebody had picked up the phone and said it was too dangerous, and we'll see you in the afternoon :frown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Auntie Andy
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Originally Posted by jamieccfc