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Bring in Nathan Blake he thinks we will lose every game
So a change won't have a negative effect, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
I didn't mean input. I was referring to City being straight with him as opposed to searching behind his back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfmother
Have you looked at the table? Three bad results??? :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
A championship team put together by him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
We have not spent a fortune by premier standards but we have wasted millions.
40m not including Sala and let’s be honest we haven’t improved the team at allQuote:
Originally Posted by DubaiDai
Where would you expect this team to be in the league? Have people all of a sudden forgot we were only promoted last year and didnt spend that much money? At the start of the season people would have bitten your hand off for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
The last 3 games have been utter shite but I don’t think we should let that cloud out judgement too much.
Agree. We should wait until we had five bad performances 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
I think he certainly needs to go next season and just enjoy the rest of his time left there’s a reason why he’s never lasted in this league
It's the hope what kills you :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Definitely no Champions League football for us next year after those three bad results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
At the moment, we still have a (slim) chance of staying up. Whilst that is the case Warnock deserves to stay after his efforts last season and for getting us 2 points from safety with 27 still to play for.
If by some miracle we do stay up then we would get a higher calibre manager than if we go down.
Unless we end up giving it to bellers anyway, in which case get rid now and hope for the best!
Eric, what I am trying to say is thus, there is no manager currently out there who can save us. Despite our poor results of late, Warnock imho (and it is just my opinion mind), is a great motivator of his players. If that hadn't been the case I am sure we would be in the position Huddersfield are now in, i.e bottom of the table. Every pundit out there, pre-season, had us to start the season off in bottom position and stay there until the final whistle had been blown for the end of the season. Yet some people want Warnock sacked? At least give him until the end of the season and give him a rousing sending off at our last home game V PalaceQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Yes the last 3 results / nobody was calling for Warnock head after we beat SouthamptonQuote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
It's called "having integrity".Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
You do something good, you get your reward.
More managers will be available at the end of the season also.
We have 5 winnable games, none of which are going to be easy, especially considering the current form. You lot are acting like we have three-quarters of the season left and we are losing by the odd goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
At the end of the season you will look back on the Watford and Everton games as the ones that decided our fate. (book)Mark my words.
pretty sure it's nearer 30Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Tim will come along shortly and break the numbers down!Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
[QUOTE=Croesy Blue;4955735]He overachieved getting us up and he overachieved having us this close to safety at this stage of the season.
He deserves at least the rest of this season. With our fixtures anyway we are probably down without a miracle so why not just let him at least see the season out.
I don’t think any manager would have kept this squad up with the lack or money spent.[/QUOTE]
Nail on head.
Let's say for the sake of argument that Tan bounces Warnock out either on Monday morning or after the season. Who comes in?
Are we taking a punt on a lower league manager again? Going abroad 'cos it's trendy? I must say i haven't got the faintest idea where our next manager will come from.
Staying up is worth over £100m
Surely to **** the owner should be making damn sure we don't miss out on that.
Neil has done an amazing job to get us here, to keep us in contention but now that the reality of relagation and the loss of so much money is staring us in the face surely from a business point of view Tan should be looking to make a senior decision to loo to protect his income stream.
We worked so hard to get here, we might not get the chance again. Stoke not finding it so easy are they, the Jacks neither.
Spot on :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
But who would you get in that would do better with this squad? If it wasn’t for the ongoing issues I would perhaps take a punt and hope belles has what it takes. Other than that, we could go for one of the usual suspects, alladyce, moyes, etc .Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
A young upcoming manager for the lower league may do the job but changing the style of play now, with the players we have, is not likely to have good results.
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Originally Posted by ManBearPig
After WHU next Saturday we have another 2 week break before Chelsea and I guess if anything is going to happen it will be after next week's game. :shrug:
I see the major points of this thread being
- No manager in the world would have kept this squad up combined with the lack of money we spent
- Neil, has done a good job getting us this close to survival this close to the end of the season
- however looks like we will go down considering recent performances and future fixtures.
- is there another manager we can bring in that could improve performances and make positive changes to our squad in a short period of time - probably not.
- Therefore stick with Neil till end of season (he deserves it) and make a decision in the summer, when we at least have time and much better options.
- the good news is - survival is really not essential and we should not be loosing our heads, we haven't gambled financially on survival and should go back to what I believe is genuinely the best league in the world, with a club that had a squad perfectly equipped to be competing in the championship.
Jokanovic is available.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
I'd be pretty pleased if we bucked the trend and let him see out the season whatever happens, given he was pretty central to the 'we' that got us here. It may not make business sense but 'business' isn't really why I follow the City.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
I think we could have someone who could look at our squad with fresh eyes and consider who will get us out of this predicament. At the moment, Warnock is randomly picking sides in the vain hope that something works. When we had a relatively set side earlier on in the season, we reaped the benefits of it. Now it's being picked by Lancelot and set of balls number 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris lee
I also don't necessarily believe in sentiment when it comes to players and managers. They're often quick enough to move on if they get a better offer and don't give a stuff about loyalty.
When did you decide this, was it sometime in the last 3 games because it's probably a bit late now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
There was something a bit random about Warnock's team selections in the run-in last season as we saw a huge advantage disappear. This season he had been consistent. Regular back 4 with Cunningham sparingly brought in, Camarasa, Arter and Gunnarsson in midfield, sometimes with Ralls. One or two wide men. Paterson up top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
If the question is about me not particularly believing in sentiment, I haven't for years. It was good to hear Owain Tudor Jones on Call Rob echo this exactly.
Tbh, the question was more about when you felt Warnock wasn't the man for the job. I'm not squabbling but the thread you started on 26th Feb about the predicted PL table sounded pretty optimistic about our chances unless I misunderstood it. I hope I never speak about City like a pundit tbh and hope I remain sentimental about the club, but fair enough I'm not picking a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
My point is/was that it isn't just about the last 3 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I wouldn't want anybody but Warnock in charge this season. The time to review things would be after the season. The plan before a ball was kicked was to buy players that would aid us in another promotion campaign if, as expected, we would be relegated. For us to be hanging on to a realistic chance of surviving is definitely bonus, especially after the traumatic 6 weeks we've had. Keep the faith and accept whatever happens.
The board doesn’t mind going down. In fact, with the money spent and type of players signed, it’s obvious the plan was to speculate as little as possible, take the money and go home ( the championship).Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
Supposition based on an approach and expectation that was never present at board level is erroneous. There was never any real intent to consolidate our position in the PL.
I guess it is where the board feel their best chance is to make money ? Take out the sentiments regarding the fans in the end they run a business!
The choice they have to make is whether to sustain a premier league team with the lucrative payments , more exposure in public, bigger attendances ( they must be pleased this season and should have capitalised on that with next season”s ticket sales already as I am sure some will now not renew if relegated ) and media but a higher payroll and expenditure ( which will increase annually) or take a chance going back into the Championship where the rewards are less but so are the expenses and target a promotion every 3-4 seasons to benefit from parachute payments and promotion campaigns ......
We have Reid and Murphy, that's about it (I purposely didn't include Smithies or Cunningham). The squad we have, when all the loanees go back to their clubs, will not be sufficiently good enough for a promotion challenge out of the Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shute
I don't think long-term planning has ever been a priority of Warnock (can't blame him for that given the regularity of sackings) but I think the club needs to give it some thought. As it stands the first-team squad for next season is:
GOALKEEPERS: Etheridge, Smithies
DEFENCE: Morrison, Bamba (20), Connolly (20), Bennett, Cunnigham, Peltier (20)
CENTRE MID: Ralls, Bacuna
PATERSON: Paterson
WINGS: Murphy, Mendez-Laing, Hoilett,
FORWARD: Reid, Zahore (20), Ward (20), Healey (20)
That's a squad of 18, with 6 of them entering the final years of their contracts (the 20s).
The next manager will be different to Warnock and will not want some of the players. Regardless of the league we are in, we are going to need to bring in at least 7 new players in the summer. Does the club give Warnock the go-ahead to do this knowing that it'll be a new manager picking up the squad from 2020? In addition, how easy is it to attrack quality players if the player knows it'll be a new manager in charge after a season?
(This isn't intended as a post in favour of replacing Warnock, but I know it reads like that!).
Corrected for the players out on loan coming back!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ger27
PATERSON: PatersonQuote:
Originally Posted by Ger27
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:hehe: he’s got his own positionQuote:
Originally Posted by Spooky Tree