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Re: 40 people killed in mosque in New Zealand
CNN, blaming Trump, salvini, orban, right on cue.
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Originally Posted by
Rogersblue
CNN, blaming Trump, salvini, orban, right on cue.
Hi literally mentions them in his manifesto.
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Re: 40 people killed in mosque in New Zealand
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Originally Posted by
Rogersblue
CNN, blaming Trump, salvini, orban, right on cue.
I think it's absolutely right that the far right, especially those who routinely espouse conspiracy theories, should have their role in this guy's descent into murder thoroughly examined
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Conspiracy theories have become the gateway to the far right, it was always obvious but so many people got taken in by them.
Free speech warriors are the new gateway too.
Internet has made it all too easy to pass off fake information to rile people up for a cause.
The manifesto of this guy, the synagogue shooter and the Canadian Mosque shooter are all eerily similar. Same twitter and YouTube personalities. Same pro trump anti Merkel rhetoric. Exact same quotes about defending against invading hordes.
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Rjk
Unbelievable. Somehow youd think places like Australia and New Zealand would have a more prosaic attitude to immigration, given their history. But apparently not
i have to say having spent a reasonable amount of time in both, the attitudes are different in both countries.
I've found New Zealand to be a liberal open country whilst in Australia (my Aunt is Aboriginal) I have witnessed first hand racism against both the indigenous people and Asian people. It's improved greatly since I first went 35 years ago but there is still an undercurrent.
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If you dive down the rabbit holes a lot of conspiracy theories could be facts, to just believe them as theories is blinkered, the more you know Q.
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You’re part of the problem pal. A useful idiot I think they call you.
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Re: 40 people killed in mosque in New Zealand
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
You’re part of the problem pal. A useful idiot I think they call you.
Nope, just someone who's awake
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Re: 40 people killed in mosque in New Zealand
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Originally Posted by
Rogersblue
Nope, just someone who's awake
Another one who has stared too long at the abyss
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Re: 40 people killed in mosque in New Zealand
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Originally Posted by
Rogersblue
Nope, just someone who's awake
So awake that he thinks that Nazis are left wing...
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I always feel sorry for conspiracy theorists. They mostly fall under the same stereotype of having a life that hasn’t lived up to expectations and so have to lean on something to make them feel superior to others.
It isn’t even worth discussing anything with them because actual facts are just passed off as part of the conspiracy.
Best off ignoring them because there nothing to be gained from may discussion.
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Re: 40 people killed in mosque in New Zealand
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Originally Posted by
Rogersblue
Nope, just someone who's awake
Whatever it is you believe it must be true because -
1- YOU believe it and you’re sources are infallible.
2- It just is definitely true.
Nothing in life can be as simple as it appears. Jihadists didn’t start attacking the West as revenge for decades of plundering. After all, History probably doesn’t exist. In fact, modern history was invented in 1995 by Walt Disney. Scared, white youngsters didn’t become nazis as an overeaction to a sense of vulnerability and overexposure to uncensored footage of beheadings. They are clearly agents hired by Nestle to increase sales of Yogurt and hand sanitiser. Donald Trump is obviously a hologram.
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Rogersblue
How do they know they're right wing, plus the usual suspect blaming trump, ie lardy.
Maybe you should read a little more about it all and then come back to us. And that doesn't mean checking what Q thinks.
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Croesy Blue
Your understanding is wrong then.
"The National Socialist German Workers' Party". Sounds rather left wing to me.
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Places on the internet have become alt right breeding grounds, sadly this has been ignored by the mass media. The manifesto has language I see on a weekly basis on places like YouTube, Twitter and Reddit.
I feel this is the tip of the iceberg of what’s to come from these brainwashed alt right maniacs, the 8chan thread he posted the livestream in had people cheering him on as he killed people.
I pray there isn’t a response from the other side as this is exactly what the perpetrator wanted
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
"The National Socialist German Workers' Party". Sounds rather left wing to me.
That really depends on whether you think words or actions are more important.
If I had an abattoir called "I love cows", what would you think happens behind closed doors?
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lardy
That really depends on whether you think words or actions are more important.
If I had an abattoir called "I love cows", what would you think happens behind closed doors?
Wait until he gets a load of the democratic people's Republic of Korea
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
"The National Socialist German Workers' Party". Sounds rather left wing to me.
The democratic republic of Congo sounds pretty democratic to me but I know it’s not because I’m not that dense.
Would you like to fill everyone in with the socalist policies of the Nazi party?
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I love how people pull out that trump card like no one else knows the nazis had that in their name ffs :hehe:
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Why were the national socialists and the union of Soviet socialist republics at war with each other? They should have been best friends. I just don't understand.
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Rjk
What is meme music?
When the shooting started when was listening to the music from the "Remove Kebab/Serbia Strong" meme. He even had "Remove Kebab" written on the barrel of one of the guns he had.
This guy is basically what happens when you hang out on 8chan for a few years.
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It’s what happens with the it’s only a meme/joke and they’re only words crew. That’s the easiest way to indoctrinate people in plain site.
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This is a terrible, terrible crime and those reponsible should if and when caught be hanged
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the other bob wilson
That is the most shocking thing I’ve read in a long time.
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Auntie Andy
Extremism always breeds it the other way too, I’m amazed such a thing hasn’t happened here or in Germany/France etc....
I guess a country with a very small Muslim population was probably more likely on reflection.....
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Describing the arc of his political journey, the killer said, “When I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist.”“
The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of China,” wrote Tarrant.
Tarrant also claimed that he was both right and left wing, writing, “Depending on the definition, sure.”
“Were/are you a conservative?”, Brenton Tarrant wrote, “No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, “I want no part of it.”Tarrant also wrote that he considered himself an “eco-fascist by nature.”
He also expressed admiration for Communist China.
The bloke was a murdering ****ing nutter that also said Spiro the dragon and Fortnite inspired him, the way it was filmed was video game esq.
I hope he rots, but the way some on here are turning it political is frankly disgusting.
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White guy kills someone so he’s just a nutcase with no ideology!
If you don’t think it’s political you’re missing the point.
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Something Blue
Describing the arc of his political journey, the killer said, “When I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist.”“
The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of China,” wrote Tarrant.
Tarrant also claimed that he was both right and left wing, writing, “Depending on the definition, sure.”
“Were/are you a conservative?”, Brenton Tarrant wrote, “No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, “I want no part of it.”Tarrant also wrote that he considered himself an “eco-fascist by nature.”
He also expressed admiration for Communist China.
The bloke was a murdering ****ing nutter that also said Spiro the dragon and Fortnite inspired him, the way it was filmed was video game esq.
I hope he rots, but the way some on here are turning it political is frankly disgusting.
Complete bollocks mate.
He said Spyro inspired him to take the piss out of the media who always go on about violence and video games, straight after that he simply said "No" to the question of video games inspiring the attack. You missed the point.
The reason for all the political contradictions was so the right and left can throw it back at each other, causing more of a divide (this is happening already all over twitter). He mentions people like Cadace Owens and Pewdiepie so they have to address it and cause even more arguments against these people about brainwashing young white men into becoming alt-right.
He used guns to cause an argument in America on the 2nd amendment, this is exactly what he says in the manifesto. He believes this will lead to potential civil unrest and a potential race war.
The love for China has to be related to the way they treat Muslims.
It is, by definition, terrorism as per his own manifesto.
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Croesy Blue
Your understanding is wrong then.
Hitler was a neo socialist
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rudy gestede
White guy kills someone so he’s just a nutcase with no ideology!
If you don’t think it’s political you’re missing the point.
Yes I've noticed that , if a Muslim carries out solo act he/she is immediately classed as a terrorist ,its political racism.
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Auntie Andy
This: The Daily Mail, Sun, Yaxley-Lennon, Katie Hopkins, Theresa May, Boris Johnson all peddling hate on a daily basis. It makes me sick to my stomach.
Are you saying the above are far right, and part of the overall far right violent agenda ??
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life on mars
Are you saying the above are far right, and part of the overall far right violent agenda ??
Of course they are :shrug:
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Re: 40 people killed in mosque in New Zealand
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life on mars
Hitler was a neo socialist
Hitler had a large number of left wing people murdered, including some within the Nazi party when they had the temerity to suggest left wing ideals.
He was opposed to trade unions , workers rights, and had a passionate hatred for the social democrats who had signed the Versailles treaty.
They initially borrowed some of the rhetoric of socialism in order to hold sway with the working classes, but never sought to uphold any of its central tenets.
Economically speaking there are examples of left and right policies. Hitler didn't believe in left and right wing, he thought those concepts were invented by Jews to keep the nation divided.
His only real aim was nationalism, he wanted to replace any existing social and economic structures with ones based on race, and was willing to do anything which would lead to that aim.
It probably doesn't make sense to describe the Nazis as left or right economically, they were basically just nationalists
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Hitler had a large number of left wing people murdered, including some within the Nazi party when they had the temerity to suggest left wing ideals.
He was opposed to trade unions , workers rights, and had a passionate hatred for the social democrats who had signed the Versailles treaty.
They initially borrowed some of the rhetoric of socialism in order to hold sway with the working classes, but never sought to uphold any of its central tenets.
Economically speaking there are examples of left and right policies. Hitler didn't believe in left and right wing, he thought those concepts were invented by Jews to keep the nation divided.
His only real aim was nationalism, he wanted to replace any existing social and economic structures with ones based on race, and was willing to do anything which would lead to that aim.
It probably doesn't make sense to describe the Nazis as left or right economically, they were basically just nationalists
Perfectly summed up imo
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RIP all those who perished.
My thoughts are with those who lost loved ones.
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Re: 40 people killed in mosque in New Zealand
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Hitler had a large number of left wing people murdered, including some within the Nazi party when they had the temerity to suggest left wing ideals.
He was opposed to trade unions , workers rights, and had a passionate hatred for the social democrats who had signed the Versailles treaty.
They initially borrowed some of the rhetoric of socialism in order to hold sway with the working classes, but never sought to uphold any of its central tenets.
Economically speaking there are examples of left and right policies. Hitler didn't believe in left and right wing, he thought those concepts were invented by Jews to keep the nation divided.
His only real aim was nationalism, he wanted to replace any existing social and economic structures with ones based on race, and was willing to do anything which would lead to that aim.
It probably doesn't make sense to describe the Nazis as left or right economically, they were basically just nationalists
Good post
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Re: 40 people killed in mosque in New Zealand
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Hitler had a large number of left wing people murdered, including some within the Nazi party when they had the temerity to suggest left wing ideals.
He was opposed to trade unions , workers rights, and had a passionate hatred for the social democrats who had signed the Versailles treaty.
They initially borrowed some of the rhetoric of socialism in order to hold sway with the working classes, but never sought to uphold any of its central tenets.
Economically speaking there are examples of left and right policies. Hitler didn't believe in left and right wing, he thought those concepts were invented by Jews to keep the nation divided.
His only real aim was nationalism, he wanted to replace any existing social and economic structures with ones based on race, and was willing to do anything which would lead to that aim.
It probably doesn't make sense to describe the Nazis as left or right economically, they were basically just nationalists
They massively privatised a wide variety of nationalised industries and were strongly opposed to state ownership.
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Originally Posted by
lardy
It's true. Trump repeatedly used the word invasion last year. He stressed and repeated it as much as he could, and this is why. To make people feel scared, and scared people lash out.
And here is the different way that he refers to attacks depending on who did them. This is no accident.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DONALD TRUMP VOCAB: The New Zealand Edition.<br><br>“Terrorist Attack”<br><br>Happens when Muslims kill. The perpetrators are “crazy” and “animals” and must be "dealt with."<br><br>“Events”<br><br>Happens when White Supremacists kill. These "events" just passively occur without any perpetrator. <a href="https://t.co/Brm0G2FiLH">pic.twitter.com/Brm0G2FiLH</a></p>— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) <a href="https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/status/1106646695444652035?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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lardy
And here is the different way that he refers to attacks depending on who did them. This is no accident.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DONALD TRUMP VOCAB: The New Zealand Edition.<br><br>“Terrorist Attack”<br><br>Happens when Muslims kill. The perpetrators are “crazy” and “animals” and must be "dealt with."<br><br>“Events”<br><br>Happens when White Supremacists kill. These "events" just passively occur without any perpetrator. <a href="https://t.co/Brm0G2FiLH">pic.twitter.com/Brm0G2FiLH</a></p>— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) <a href="https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/status/1106646695444652035?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
It is a frightening world we now live in
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Re: 40 people killed in mosque in New Zealand
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Hitler was a neo socialist
In name maybe but tell me one thing he did that fits that mold?