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Fair post and agreed about this being more about incompetence than cheating but coming so soon after the decisions against Swansea v Man City I do feel there is an inbuilt but maybe unconscious bias towards bigger clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Exactly. Look how bad swansea were cheated last week. It cant all be human error. If so its a little strange how the same couple of teams keep benefitting from it......Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
Those defending the officials today want to think again.
You can’t make error upon error in the Premier League. We are talking billions of pounds per year here being pumped into the league and mistakes like that are happening.
It’s a disgrace.
The equaliser yes. I feel we could have got a penalty or two as well. The Rudiger decision maybe but I'm not sure Zohore gets to the ball before the keeper if I was pushed on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
The fact is at the time the cross comes over we still had a point and didn't defend it well.
The Chelsea winner was avoidable and could and should have been dealt with.
You could argue if those decisions don't happen it's a different game. Hazard could have pinged one in from 30 yards. We'll never know.
As has been said if it was a conspiracy to hand Chelsea the points then it is going against the real darlings of the league as Chelsea gain points on them. It is just bad officiating and we're on the receiving end again unfortunately.
The situation with top-flight football these days is that replays are available to club staff and managers instantly, so they know immediately when they've been wronged. In the case of the offside goal, none of the City players nearby appealed. They didn't seem aware of the situation at all. I'm pretty Warnock wouldn't have known either if there weren't TV monitors nearby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
This sort of thing must happen in minor leagues all the time, but nobody ever knows about it or gets upset by it because there are no TV cameras showing various angles immediately after the incident.
So what's the answer? Ah, yes. VAR, which will be with us next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenith
Errors from match officials are the subject of discussion on pretty much every football programme pretty much every week. There's a reason for that.
We had at least 3 penalty shouts, a clear sending off and an offside goal given against us.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
How many of those do you think would have gone Chelsea’s way?
VAR wont help. We saw that in the world cup. Its easy enough to give a penalty for an innocuous tug in the box from a corner nobody saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
MATCH FIXING IS ALIVE AND KICKING.
It’s the way it is....got to keep the big bucks at the top table......Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Not3s
Ironically, Pawson could have given Chelsea a penalty early on for an innocuous tug in the box by Gunarrson on Rudiger, but thankfully he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
Although I'm not in favour of it, VAR will certainly eliminate goals like today's. But it will also eliminate goals like Bamba's against Brighton. Personally, I think the authorities should leave the game as it is. Goal line technology has definitely been a step forward, but errors from officials are part and parcel of the game and always have been.
I would agree. But the reason i dont is the big clubs without doubt get the benefit from the officials.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Officials don't cheat!
There are poor decisions and awful decisions, and several of both today. The officials get it right most of the time, but not today. And at least they get assessed on their performance, so I hope they get knocked back, not that it's that much consolation at this point.
But gutted we didn't get at least a point against a pretty poor Chelsea. Had a Chelsea supporting friend staying for the weekend and he said we were robbed and that Chelsea were there for the taking. Have to agree, but it's still points lost.
Hope that the team aren't too dispirited and that the feeling of being robbed drives them on.
If we go down, then I want us to go down fighting, not like last time when we just gave up. And I think this team has spirit and will fight to the end.
Oh come on the offside was only marginal.
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They should never have got the chance to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Down to 10 men at 1-1 , 2 penalties turned down and an offside goal
I'm not sure it was a red as said before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
The keeper gets there before Zohore for me who wasn't running at an angle towards the ball. I think this is what kept Rudiger on the field.
I agree that the refs were bad but after it all we had a point to cling on to and failed to do that.
It wasn't a red card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
Although if one of the pens was given for the earlier offence it would have been.
Yeah I can see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
I just don't get the feeling that a bad decisions automatically means we have to lose the game.
If we defend that cross and see the game out then we get a point. It was bad defending to allow the cross with no pressure and to be out fought for the header.
I don't think there's any case for foul play just extremely unfortunate the ref has missed so much all going for us. I don't really get that bothered but was fuming after the game
They should have all been fresh after 3 weeks offQuote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Because it’s changes both teams attitude and shape, I don’t get how you can argue differentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
I'll tell you what I think. Officials are impartial - at least they'd claim they are, but when you're trotting over to a Chelsea or Liverpool player thinking whether or not you are going to give him red or yellow, I'm certain there's a bit of their thinking that they'd rather have a shitty club like Cardiff have their manager slagging him off as opposed to Klopp etc, and hours upon hours of Sky/BT analysis drawing attention to their 'mistake'. Cheats ? No, but do they favour the big clubs ? Yes..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Also think the ‘big players’ get decisions that others don’t. Hazard got a free kick today for an apparent foul that I’m sure no other player on the pitch would have got! I think the referees get a bit star struck.
Of course they do, I can imagine them calling their heroes by their first name a la “C’mon Eden get up” yet not even knowing our players names. Do you reckon these refs when having a pint in their local refer to the stars by their first name as if they’re mates? Today’s ref was abysmal, really abysmal, of course we know player for player teams like Chelsea are better than us but they shouldn’t need help from the match officials. Had a pint with Chelsea fans in The Yard just now and surprisingly they agreed, the offside photo evidence helped mind 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Fancydan
It's not cheating, it's just incompetence with a dash of subconscious bias.
From a corner there is no excuse that one of the referee or linesman get in a position to identify an infringement. The linesman was blocked by the corner taker? His job is to make that a non issue and get sight of the pitch.
Throughout the game I thought we had more than our share of decisions go against us. Hazard for instance is a terrific player, but it is possible to tackle him legally.
Have never been a massive fan of var, but afternoons like this I could probably appreciate it if the process was sped up
Why do you think that the cross would have gone in if the first goal was disallowed? The shape and attitude of the players would be a lot different if we were protecting the lead rather than chasing a goal with 5 odd minutes to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Exactly, with every goal whether an equaliser or whatever the whole pattern of the match is altered by the resulting kick off/re start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
Well with literally everything. Every throw in, every pass, tackle, sub, whether you pause for one second before a throw in or take three, the knock on effects spiral into a completely different match each time. Somewhere in the multiverse we won 5 nil and are top of the league. Unfortunately for us we live in the one where Leicester were champions, Brexit takes a lifetime to sort and a billionaire with bad hair became the most powerful man in the world ranting about a wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Apparently the lino's line of vision was blocked so he couldn't see the player in the offside position (according to Radio 5) shit happens. I agree with you, we didn't deal with the cross. I can't believe that some people think it's part of some kind of Premier league conspiracy to relegate us, absolute madness. We were on the end of a poor decision today, that's the way it goes. Make no mistake, the players will be pissed off as much about the defending for the goal as the poor decision, add Warnock to that. When we went 1-0 up we continued to press a bit and force Chelsea into mistakes. We then backed off in order to defend our lead and Chelsea started to lay on the pressure, we can't play like that, it's failed on every occasion this season. I think that Zohore should've come on a fair bit earlier, I reckon that he would've caused the Chelsea backline a fair few problems with his pace, there was alot of space between them and the Chelsea midfield and for a period we were winning the second balls in midfield, Niasse doesn't have that ability to roll a defender or possess that turn of pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
It doesn't matter. Players still have to do their jobs. It's not like we had pushed me forward and had left ourselves exposed, we were well up for a point. It was poor defending, the rest is of no consequence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
Zahore definitely should have come on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Niasse was a passenger after 60 minutes. Zohore should have gone on then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
However it was more than just 1 decision that did us today.
You can forgive that, but there were 4 ( a 5th if you count the handball penalty shout, which for what it’s worth I think would be harsh) today.
We were robbed today. No doubt
Agree about the pen, i thought that morrison was pulled back, not sure about the Zohore decision, he was fouled but i don't know whether he was clear. We didn't get the rub. Chelsea were soft, we were winning second balls and getting the ball back off them, Warnock should've been a bit braver and maybe allowed Camarasa the option to sit in that more advanced position to support niasse and get the players a little further up the pitch, closer to the striker. Chelsea were poor at times and slow on the ball, they were the least physical of the top 6. Warnock should've been braver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
Only one player appealed because everyone else was watching from the ball from the corner and the offside player was not where they’re looking and it happens so fast. The linesman should never miss it though, and spectators could tell it was offside.
You can understand the ref not giving the Gunnar tug on Rudiger, and the first pull on Morrison, but he has to eventually give one of the numberous fouls on Morrison that followed. It was also a red on Zohore. Shocking officiating.
Yes, Chelsea were poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Some of their passing was hopeless.
A shadow of the side that played such scintillating stuff against us at Stanford Bridge
Because of chaos theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Had that offside goal been disallowed then the Loftus-Cheek goal would have been IMPOSSIBLE in that given moment of time.
You probably think that a player should have had a hat-trick if he missed 3 open goals, just like most pundits and the majority of the population would think.
Yeah no-one is debating it's poor defending mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
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