Simple poll. Warnock stay or go?

Stay.

Stay

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Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

Yes but you haven't so I'd rather Gerrard ��

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The choice is not me or Gerrard. Other people are available.

Yes but I want Gerrard thanks 👍 you put yourself forward as his replacement by the looks of it. Hope it goes well

I guess I would rather he decided to retire this summer than ruin his tenure here with a mediocre season in Championship and fans calling for “Warnock out” !
Then again of course, he could mount another promotion bid but with the rebuild I think we may need to do to clear out those players who are due back at the club from being on loan plus new midfielders and strikers , we may struggle to finish top 6

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Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

Yes but I want Gerrard thanks �� you put yourself forward as his replacement by the looks of it. Hope it goes well

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You should go back and re-read the thread.

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Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68

Stay! Careful what you wish for. There are plenty of clubs with supporters around that think their clubs are actually better than they are. Off the top of my head, Charlton with Curbishley. They were disappointed at finishing (I think) 8th and then 10th in the Prem and thought they were destined for bigger and better things, and wanted him gone. Look what's happened to them. Plenty of West Brom supporters on 606 and Talksport phone ins wanted Pulis gone. I remember Bolton fans moaning about Big Sam and his tactics on the same phone ins too. Goodness knows where they will end up next season. Same with QPR supporters and Holloway, they've taken a huge step back this season. Know a couple of Ipswich town fans who were desperate for McCarthy to go. Where have they ended up this season?

Let's get promotion under Warnock next season and take things for there. Onwards and upwards!

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Bravo sir. At last a decent rationale behind your vote.

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Don't need to - the op posed a poll which was should Warnock stay or go and then someone said for those saying go name his replacement - my contribution was to say stay and then replace with Gerrard as Warnock as previously said he is here next year if he has his way. Hope that helps. 👍

I follow football for entertainment. Get this dinosaur outta here...

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Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

Yes but you haven't so I'd rather Gerrard ��

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I’m not sure if he’ll make it as a good manager but he has some great contacts

Stay

But use the year to improve/transform the infrastructure and capacity of the club, adopt a clear and public policy on the Academy (how it will be run and what it is for - especially given other threads describing how the u18s play a totally different way from the first team), and find a replacement manager early, using Warnock's advice and experience to do it, but not a new Warnock one generation younger.

Stay 100%

Interesting to see his 2nd season but the few games I've seen rangers this year he has them playing good football? Agree on his contacts and suspect he would give youth a chance when good enough?

If we beat Palace - Cup Final at Old Trafford

Stay he knows the Championship, build a team more equipped to go up being in a young coach to learn alongside him next year. Then make Warnock D.O.F.I
know it's an off the wall suggestion.
,how about Bamba??

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Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

Interesting to see his 2nd season but the few games I've seen rangers this year he has them playing good football? Agree on his contacts and suspect he would give youth a chance when good enough?

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We have no youth.

Stay to have another go at promotion then move on the following season regardless of whether we obtain promotion.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

We have no youth.

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Yes we do

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Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

Don't need to - the op posed a poll which was should Warnock stay or go and then someone said for those saying go name his replacement - my contribution was to say stay and then replace with Gerrard as Warnock as previously said he is here next year if he has his way. Hope that helps. ��

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It doesn't. You put forth a ridiculous name for a replacement based on next to nothing. I tried to point out that coming in second place with the second biggest team is not much of an achievement and you weirdly interpreted that as me putting myself as a candidate for the next manager of Cardiff City.

Sorry about the Man City result this morning. You must be really upset.

If we do go down then I would not be surprised if he left “by mutual consent” or other means. This would then mean that KB and RJ would have to go as well. We would have 3 years (I think) of parachute payments to sort ourselves out. As has been said already, a succession would need considerable planning. I am not entirely sure that the structure in the club is in place to do so.

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

I’m not sure if he’ll make it as a good manager but he has some great contacts

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So did Solskjaer

Obviously a good manager with tactical nous is important but these days we also need a Technical Director and, more importantly for City, we desperately need a new approach to recruitment. Our track record in that department is poor at best.

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Originally Posted by Enoch Mort

If we do go down then I would not be surprised if he left “by mutual consent” or other means. This would then mean that KB and RJ would have to go as well. We would have 3 years (I think) of parachute payments to sort ourselves out. As has been said already, a succession would need considerable planning. I am not entirely sure that the structure in the club is in place to do so.

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I have to agree. The management of the club as a whole doesn't make sense to me. We just wasted a massive business opportunity. And it seems like there's no plan for the future. I just watched Leicester demolish Arsenal this morning. I don't expect us to ever win the League, but it doesn't seem unreasonable for us to at least be able to match the likes of Leicester, Bournemouth, Watford and Wolves.

Go. Bring in someone to mould a new side with a different approach to our long ball game.

If he's going to leave in a season or two, I don't get what we have to gain by keeping him for another season. Anyone who comes in will have a rebuilding job to do to impose their style of play on the team. When better than now, once we've gone down? Suppose he won us promotion again next season. Would we want him in charge again in the PL? I wouldn't. He's proved that the top flight is out of his depth in terms of tactics and football played. Would he want yet another season? If we went up and got a new manager in, they'd likely want to change things. Not the best of times to be doing that unless we've got funds to do so.

I hope that Warnock stays. Without him we would not have had a season in the Premiership. Think people have got very short memories. Just hope that Vincent Tann provides the funds for a striker + midfielder and if so we could then possibly attempt to get promoted straight back up into the Premiership?

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I have to agree. The management of the club as a whole doesn't make sense to me. We just wasted a massive business opportunity. And it seems like there's no plan for the future. I just watched Leicester demolish Arsenal this morning. I don't expect us to ever win the League, but it doesn't seem unreasonable for us to at least be able to match the likes of Leicester, Bournemouth, Watford and Wolves.

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Dave Jones' last season
Malky's first season
Malky's second season
Malky and Ole
Ole and Slade
Slade
Trollope and Warnock
Warnock's first season
Warnock's second season

Most of our recent past has been travelling in a very different direction to what came shortly before. We had a long term plan maybe just twice (Malky's first season, Trollope's short term reign) before Warnock had a summer window here. I don't think we'll reach where Leicester are now for at least 5 years of constant growth, such is the boost that winning the league has lead to, but we can aim for Leicester pre-league win for sure: that side had an identity, effective scouting programme and were already a big part of their local community with good facilities to match. That's the argument for keeping Warnock, spending on facilities and scouting programme, and allowing him to finish the job he started two years ago instead of another managerial change. Leicester were also bold in replacing managers at the right time and that may be the argument against.

The worst thing to do would be to try to completely change identity again.

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Originally Posted by fingers

Obviously a good manager with tactical nous is important but these days we also need a Technical Director and, more importantly for City, we desperately need a new approach to recruitment. Our track record in that department is poor at best.

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Recruitment in all areas, not just players. Whatever strengths our board has, a depth of football knowledge certainly isn't one. A huge part of Swansea's success was due to the large-conked traitor, who knows plenty about the game.

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Originally Posted by noodles

I hope that Warnock stays. Without him we would not have had a season in the Premiership. Think people have got very short memories. Just hope that Vincent Tann provides the funds for a striker + midfielder and if so we could then possibly attempt to get promoted straight back up into the Premiership?

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And then what? New manager to rip up things with a more modern approach or continuation with a manager who will be 72 with a track record of failure in the top division? This is my problem. If we need to rebuild and have a more modern style, now is the time to do it.

Go, because if we got promoted again we would never kick on. We need a fresh start with a new manager, somebody with modern ideas about how the game should be played.

If we're relegated, stay. If we manage to survive in the Prem, then go with lots of thanks for an amazing job.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Go, because if we got promoted again we would never kick on. We need a fresh start with a new manager, somebody with modern ideas about how the game should be played.

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The problem is we will never get promoted unless Warnock stays with his record in the Championship. Several posts fail to appreciate that Warnock has been operating on a budget that means he has to set up the team according to ability and deploy tactics suited to the players we have.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

The problem is we will never get promoted unless Warnock stays with his record in the Championship. Several posts fail to appreciate that Warnock has been operating on a budget that means he has to set up the team according to ability and deploy tactics suited to the players we have.

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Sorry but that's rubbish. Warnock has played this way with every club he's been at.

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Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc

Sorry but that's rubbish. Warnock has played this way with every club he's been at.

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That mayvwell be because at every team he has been at he has been working on a fairly meagre budget, particularly when it came to having funds in the premiership.

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Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc

I will be eternally grateful to Neil for all he has done at the club but it is time for him to go.

What about the rest of you? Stay or go?

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Go: for two reasons.
I think we need a perspective that is longer than a year.
I would hate to see him stay, have a bad first 10 any get slaughtered for it.

Despite being relegated if he were to go now his stock is still high.

If he were to go now he'd go an a high with a legacy intact allowing a new young manager the funds necessary to implement a new style

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

It doesn't. You put forth a ridiculous name for a replacement based on next to nothing. I tried to point out that coming in second place with the second biggest team is not much of an achievement and you weirdly interpreted that as me putting myself as a candidate for the next manager of Cardiff City.

Sorry about the Man City result this morning. You must be really upset.

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I think it was because you named Gerrard's biggest achievement as a manager and you said you could also achieve that, thereby intimating that you are Gerrard's equal as a manager, therefore inadvertently suggesting that if he's being considered for the Cardiff City job then you should as well. I can see how he got there.

In terms of the thread, I agree with Jon1959

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

That mayvwell be because at every team he has been at he has been working on a fairly meagre budget, particularly when it came to having funds in the premiership.

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Didn’t he have a good amount at QPR?

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Originally Posted by BLUEAWAY

Go: for two reasons.
I think we need a perspective that is longer than a year.

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Bingo.

As I posted earlier, I fail to see what long term good could be achieved by keeping him on. That's not to sound ungrateful for the excellent job he's done. If he was younger and more long term planning I'd maybe reconsider, but he's not. It's about the here and now. If he could have kept us up it would have been the perfect opportunity to hand over the reins. Now we're going down (bar an absolute miracle) we need to have a longer term plan than one season of Warnock.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I had an e-mail from someone who recommended him three years ago when he was at Braintree - my guess is he is bound for the Championship at least, so why not look at him. I like the fact that, as you say, he is not wedded to one way of playing as well.

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Cowley likes to play a direct style of football with an emphasis on pace and set plays - ring a bell?

Not criticising it and they have done extremely well to get where they have - perhaps they would be a good fit for us when Neil retires but not just yet - a young manager playing swash buckling football from the lower leagues is the approach Ipswich took this season with Paul Hurst - they were soon looking for a safe pair of hands. There's life in the old dog yet but I could have kicked him up the arse for the way we played yesterday.

If we have the opportunity to employ the most successful manager in the history of the championship who knows our players inside out and has already achieved promotion with that club and knows where improvements are needed rather than a whole new approach and a whole new squad with a club that is still heavily in debt I reckon that he would be the man

Luckily we have business men running the club not emotionally reactive football supporters who would be averaging 4 or 5 managers a season.

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Originally Posted by binman

If we have the opportunity to employ the most successful manager in the history of the championship who knows our players inside out and has already achieved promotion with that club and knows where improvements are needed rather than a whole new approach and a whole new squad with a club that is still heavily in debt I reckon that he would be the man

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Out of interest, how long will Warnock be at the club and what happens when he decides to leave? Will we not be in the position of needing a whole new approach and squad improvements?