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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
It'll be unfair dismissal, but I doubt he'd succeed. 'Behavior outside the workplace ' is a key contract clause for those in the public domain. I've got a lot of sympathy for Baker. I seriously doubt it was intended to be racist. This is probably a poor metaphor, but if a black player found a banana skin thrown at him, that would be a dreadfully offensive and racist action. If a bloke was eating a banana in the crowd and tried to throw the skin into a bin closer to the touchline and it went onto the pitch, the effect would be the same but without the intent.
Anyway, I'm constantly amazed why the world and his daughter - especially those in the media/sports/political fields - find it important to spend their lives updating everyone else with their action and thoughts by the minute. I'm quite happy on here, being kept in check by Morris & Co...
Noted regarding the terminology.
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
20 years ago this was one of the most popular TV shows.
Wasnt thought of as being racist at the time, but probably wont get shown on the BBC again incase someone thinks it is.
https://youtu.be/LQV2QwaqwAs
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
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severncity
I was hoping that Archie would be much darker, similar to Sadio Mané. That would have been way more inclusive and progressive than having a barely-black baby.
My family is mixed race.
Babies go darker after a few weeks.
It is likely he will look like Meghan.
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AlwaysAway2
My family is mixed rave.
Babies go darker after a few weeks.
It is likely he will look like Meghan.
Always knew you were raving😂😂😂
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
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AlwaysAway2
My family is mixed race.
Babies go darker after a few weeks.
It is likely he will look like Meghan.
Wonder if he'll have his dads hair colour though?
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
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Rjk
I think he's genuine, but completely ****ing stupid if he didn't foresee the reaction.
THIS.
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The Bloop
Wonder if he'll have his dads hair colour though?
Could be like thisAttachment 3062
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
The photo of Liz & Phil with Harry Hewitt (not Coronation St’s one) & Megs & her Ma eh! Old Phil must have been thinking ‘ What the f*ck is the maid here for?’. If Danny Baker is racist, Phil the Greek is off the scale.
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
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Rjk
I agree, but you really don't have to look far to find pretty overt racism towards markle and their kid (daily mail comments section predominantly), and someone in the public eye should have been mindful of that before making such a joke.
So someone has to be mindful of other people's warped associations? I don't agree at all.
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xsnaggle
I think a lot of the reaction from the BBC was with regard to the interpretation our american cousins might put on the remark and whether it was allowed to go unchallenged. It would be far more offensive there.
Because Danny Baker is a household name in the USA right?
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
I found it more ageist than racist. How many two day old kids can even walk, even when aided by their parents? I find his tweet disgusting for this very reason, the short, fat, unfunny, ageist, insensitive, white, gay-hating (might not be true) turd. Oh, and I don't like Jeremy Clarkson either. Can't remember why though.
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
I like Danny Baker and don’t think he’s racist. But my word for such an intelligent guy what a balls up.
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
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Taunton Blue Genie
So someone has to be mindful of other people's warped associations? I don't agree at all.
It’s not warped minds is it though? It’s a common racist trope of a black person being a monkey. Again I don’t think he did it on purpose and I don’t think he should be sacked but trying to play it off like it’s not an obvious stupid thing to post is naive.
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StraightOuttaCanton
Because Danny Baker is a household name in the USA right?
No. Because it was reported on US Nationwide TV. And the boy's mother is black american.
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
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Organ Morgan.
Well as far as I’m concerned little Archie looks extremely dapper!
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Croesy Blue
It’s not warped minds is it though? It’s a common racist trope of a black person being a monkey. Again I don’t think he did it on purpose and I don’t think he should be sacked but trying to play it off like it’s not an obvious stupid thing to post is naive.
Yes, it is warped minds. We are allowing those warped minds to be the template for the rest of us. Black people aren't apes, gorillas or chimpanzees and it's absurd that we have be mindful of associations made only by the racists.
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WJ99mobile
I like Danny Baker and don’t think he’s racist. But my word for such an intelligent guy what a balls up.
And he has more responsibility than most to deliver better standards for the very nice wage he picks up working for the world's biggest known media brand that broadcasts around the earth via the world service which includes the commonwealth and other different ethnic societies and countries ,who unlike us admire and respect the Royals.
There maybe many that don't agree with Royals thankfully we have better moral behaviours and responsibility.
Doesn't the BBC fall into a specific
employee set of standards , regarding the royal progrative .
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
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Taunton Blue Genie
Yes, it is warped minds. We are allowing those warped minds to be the template for the rest of us. Black people aren't apes, gorillas or chimpanzees and it's absurd that we have be mindful of associations made only by the racists.
How do you distinguish between who has a 'warped' mind and who doesn't? I don't think that Baker is a Racist, not even close, although some people may think he is after that picture and others may think he's just like 'The rest of us'
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He did kill Bob Marley though😱......................................Late r revealed to be a load of bollocks
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
He's 62. He can afford to retire.
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NYCBlue
He's 62. He can afford to retire.
He can’t have a listen to his desert island discs, says he never saves a penny and is often skint. Probably the best episode of that btw.
He’ll get work again though he’s very popular. I’m never sure if I find him entertaining or the world’s biggest pub bore.
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the other bob wilson
An absolutely stupid thing to post. I winced as soon as I saw it. And he paid the price.
Hard to have any sympathy for his utter lack of awareness, especially from some who is supposed to be media savvy.
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Tuerto
How do you distinguish between who has a 'warped' mind and who doesn't? I don't think that Baker is a Racist, not even close, although some people may think he is after that picture and others may think he's just like 'The rest of us'
The warped minds are those who associate apes, gorillas and chimpanzees with certain races of human beings. Their warped associations shouldn't be though of as standard for civilised human beings. I wouldn't dare accuse anyone of such a very serious offence without sufficient evidence.
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Taunton Blue Genie
The warped minds are those who associate apes, gorillas and chimpanzees with certain races of human beings. Their warped associations shouldn't be though of as standard for civilised human beings. I wouldn't dare accuse anyone of such a very serious offence without sufficient evidence.
Do the black people who thought Baker’s tweet could be construed as racist have warped minds?
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Croesy Blue
Do the black people who thought Baker’s tweet could be construed as racist have warped minds?
Can black people not have warped minds?
Any black, white or any person of colour can have a distorted perception based upon their own motivations and focus of attention.
A lot of people have a confirmation bias, based upon what they want to see or focus on and what they readily dismiss.
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JDerrida
Can black people not have warped minds?
Any black, white or any person of colour can have a distorted perception based upon their own motivations and focus of attention.
A lot of people have a confirmation bias, based upon what they want to see or focus on and what they readily dismiss.
That’s not at all what he’s saying though.
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Percieving offence where no such offence is present is a trait of some human beings and not exclusive to any race. Misinterpreting innocent acts as hate crime (as may be the case regarding this particular thread) does absolutely nothing regarding real examples of racism. Quite the opposite.
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
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Croesy Blue
Do the black people who thought Baker’s tweet could be construed as racist have warped minds?
The warped minds I referred to are the racists who seemed to have successfully forged the association in the first place.
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Taunton Blue Genie
Percieving offence where no such offence is present is a trait of some human beings and not exclusive to any race. Misinterpreting innocent acts as hate crime (as may be the case regarding this particular thread) does absolutely nothing regarding real examples of racism. Quite the opposite.
How do you distinguish between who or what is racist? Do you just use your own judgement?
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Tuerto
How do you distinguish between who or what is racist? Do you just use your own judgement?
Somtimes. At other times the law or an official body decides, having access to evidence and witness statements. Internet and media hysteria are not my bag.
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Tuerto
How do you distinguish between who or what is racist? Do you just use your own judgement?
This is the thing for me - Nigel Farage has been mentioned in this thread and I reckon the reaction of an awful lot of people, myself included, would have been very different if he has posted exactly the same thing Danny Baker did.
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the other bob wilson
This is the thing for me - Nigel Farage has been mentioned in this thread and I reckon the reaction of an awful lot of people, myself included, would have been very different if he has posted exactly the same thing Danny Baker did.
.or Raheem Sterling for that matter..
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
Thank god it isn’t just white Europeans who are racist
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/w...na-racism.html
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
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Taunton Blue Genie
The warped minds I referred to are the racists who seemed to have successfully forged the association in the first place.
Yeah the association was made years ago and has been a common racist insult that the majority of people recognise straight away. It’s nothing to do with having a warped mind it’s to do with years of it being used as racist language.
Do you think as white men we have enough experience of racist abuse to judge when is a time for valid complaints ?
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Croesy Blue
Yeah the association was made years ago and has been a common racist insult that the majority of people recognise straight away. It’s nothing to do with having a warped mind it’s to do with years of it being used as racist language.
Do you think as white men we have enough experience of racist abuse to judge when is a time for valid complaints ?
No, I don't. But you are missing the point entirely. You and I abhor racism and if anyone is guilty of it then they should face the consequences. My point is entirely about someone being declared guilty of a hate crime where they may be totally innocent. If a racist intent is suspected then people should be judged rationally and fairly and the individual should be interviewed by their employer if there is doubt.
If a person is dismissed as a result of an innocent act with no intent whatsoever then that merely compounds injustice and doesn't remedy it.
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
I think we mainly agree, I think he’s been punished for what was an innocent attack.
I just don’t think it’s right to say someone has to have a warped mind to interpret something as racist even if it wasn’t necessarily intended to be.
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
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Croesy Blue
I think we mainly agree, I think he’s been punished for what was an innocent attack.
I just don’t think it’s right to say someone has to have a warped mind to interpret something as racist even if it wasn’t necessarily intended to be.
See my comment above:
"The warped minds I referred to are the racists who seemed to have successfully forged the association in the first place."
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Re: Danny Baker fired by the BBC and he's not happy about it.
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Taunton Blue Genie
See my comment above:
"The warped minds I referred to are the racists who seemed to have successfully forged the association in the first place."
Try reading my link to the NY Times. The idea that white “racists” forged the link between black Africans and simians is laughable.
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Stupid but that's it.
He was highlighting the circus that it is.
Someone will get an OBE out of it.