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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

What are laws have we had that were foisted upon us?

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The lack of response says more than words ever could.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Up yours! RonnieBird speaks sense. China don't have our best interests at heart, their long-term goal is world domination. They were bribing leading politicians who are also on the globalist bandwagon. The USA realised this, and they are seeking to readdress the trade imbalances that would have seen communist China become the dominant superpower.

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****ing hell :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

The lack of response says more than words ever could.

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It's the same old tired argument, try thinking for yourself and look at the bigger picture, you may find it liberating.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

It's the same old tired argument, try thinking for yourself you may find it liberating.

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We have apparently lost our sovereignty and can't come up with our laws. That's been said. What are they?

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

We have apparently lost our sovereignty and can't come up with our laws. That's been said. What are they?

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They've got you inside an invisible box, and you don't even realise it :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

They've got you inside an invisible box, and you don't even realise it :biggrin:

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You can't even tell me what they're doing to us? If you can come up with reasoned, well thought out points with facts, then you might change my mind. The EU has many, many faults. I personally think the benefits far outweigh these. I want to travel into Europe without restrictions, I want to work there without restrictions and I want our businesses and financial to trade without restrictions.

You had said, you're in an invisible box and you don't even realise. So, I don't know what to believe.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

You can't even tell me what they're doing to us? If you can come up with reasoned, well thought out points with facts, then you might change my mind. The EU has many, many faults. I personally think the benefits far outweigh these. I want to travel into Europe without restrictions, I want to work there without restrictions and I want our businesses and financial to trade without restrictions.

You had said, you're in an invisible box and you don't even realise. So, I don't know what to believe.

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There are certainly many benefits, but then there is also the underlying ideology. I may be cynical, but I can't help thinking that the benefits are being used to sell the ideology. This will only become apparent when we reach the point of no return. If they had stopped at the customs union, I don't think the idea of Brexit would have even materialised. If you doubt my words, then I suggest you take a look at history.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

There are certainly many benefits, but then there is also the underlying ideology. I may be cynical, but I can't help thinking that the benefits are being used to sell the ideology. This will only become apparent when we reach the point of no return. If they had stopped at the customs union, I don't think the idea of Brexit would have even materialised. If you doubt my words, then I suggest you take a look at history.

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By history, do you mean the longest ever period of peace in Europe? We have our own borders apart from EU citizens (which is a benefit), we make our own laws by and large and we're in a customs union.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

By history, do you mean the longest ever period of peace in Europe? We have our own borders apart from EU citizens (which is a benefit), we make our own laws by and large and we're in a customs union.

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It's another sociopolitical construct, and there are many case studies from the past going back thousands of years.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

By history, do you mean the longest ever period of peace in Europe? We have our own borders apart from EU citizens (which is a benefit), we make our own laws by and large and we're in a customs union.

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Seriously don't bother, it's not worth your time.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Seriously don't bother, it's not worth your time.

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In the last 12 months, I've responded to him twice or maybe three times. It's far better not to encourage him and makes the site much more pleasant.

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Originally Posted by severncity

The number of people employed in manufacturing in the U.K. is at its highest level since September 2008.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/emp...a01jun2019.xls

Click on tab 6 and the numbers employed in each sector are tabulated.

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Barely an increase. Go back on tab 6. 4 million less in manufacturing since 1978. The sector's downward trend in employment continues. We import too many components which are now more expensive as a result of the post Brexit decline in the value if the £. Good luck to anyone manufacturing in the UK, using UK only components, selling overseas and wholly UK-owned. Sadly, not sufficient companies of that ilk.

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Originally Posted by lardy

In the last 12 months, I've responded to him twice or maybe three times. It's far better not to encourage him and makes the site much more pleasant.

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You'll never get a straight or coherent answer anyway, it's a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by lardy

In the last 12 months, I've responded to him twice or maybe three times. It's far better not to encourage him and makes the site much more pleasant.

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You don't respond cos I whipped your arse, and you've been exposed as being an incompetent propagandist. The sad part is you don't even realise it!

How many people on here remember what Wales was like between the mines and steelworks closing and the Maastricht Treaty? It was grim. Wales has done very well from the EU. I can't understand why anyone living there what want to return to a centralized Tory government led by Cameron, May and now ****ing Boris Johnson controlling the purse strings.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

How many people on here remember what Wales was like between the mines and steelworks closing and the Maastricht Treaty? It was grim. Wales has done very well from the EU. I can't understand why anyone living there what want to return to a centralized Tory government led by Cameron, May and now ****ing Boris Johnson controlling the purse strings.

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They can be voted out.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You don't respond cos I whipped your arse, and you've been exposed as being an incompetent propagandist. The sad part is you don't even realise it!

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Imagine writing this in complete seriousness. Go get some fresh air ffs :hehe:

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Imagine writing this in complete seriousness. Go get some fresh air ffs :hehe:

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There's nothing like a dose of truth to clear the air :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

They can be voted out.

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When the damage is done.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Why would you want to go to Barcelona when you can go to sunny Skegness?

We also have to actually make stuff for any of this to work. We don't.

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It was my first thought the day after brexit.

'thank ****, now the pound will crash and I can secure the kind of life i have always dreamed of, working in a sweat shop making t-shirts for people from Taiwan'

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

Well that's the idea.
The EU effectively allocated economic activity in different member countries in order to make it difficult for any one country to manage on its own.

Germany got the engineering, France got agriculture and we're supposed to cut each other's hair and deliver pizzas to each other.

We've lost the confidence and ability to do a lot of stuff during the EU period, but it can soon return. What can immediately happen is that Agriculture and the fishing industries can flourish without the constraints of EU policies, as will the secondary economic activities around them.

Let's not forget that our own home market for goods is a considerable one and the sooner we re establish manufacturing the sooner we can profit from that, and at the same time slow the outward flow of money from our economy.

The very first thing we should do after leaving is to encourage people to buy British and help British industry to fulfill that demand.
If the German led power bloc known as the EU want to exclude themselves from a marketplace of sixty million people in their latest historical attempt to dominate Europe , well then so be it, and we must exploit that market place.

Our current politicians are weak and unused to the running of an independent nation so they doubt their ability to do so, and conversely the Germans have forgotten apparently that we might occasionally fail to cringe before their attempts to bully us into submission.

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:hehe: :hehe:

Shut the messageboard down, its peaked, its never getting better than this

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

When the damage is done.

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The damage was done over many years by EU, Labour and Conservative politicians. We need to reinvent ourselves, a fresh start with a new approach is what is required.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

The damage was done by EU, Labour and Conservative politicians. We need to reinvent ourselves with a fresh start and a new approach.

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OnLy NiGe CaN sAvE uS

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

OnLy NiGe CaN sAvE uS

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You are totally lacking in confidence, and are reliant on a bunch of charlatans to control your destiny.

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Originally Posted by IanD

Barely an increase. Go back on tab 6. 4 million less in manufacturing since 1978. The sector's downward trend in employment continues. We import too many components which are now more expensive as a result of the post Brexit decline in the value if the £. Good luck to anyone manufacturing in the UK, using UK only components, selling overseas and wholly UK-owned. Sadly, not sufficient companies of that ilk.

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I was merely pointing out that since the Brexit referendum, manufacturing employment has increased in the U.K.

You have pointed out that since the U.K.’s accession to the EEC/EU manufacturing employment has been reduced by nearly two thirds. Do you still believe that the our membership of the EU is good for manufacturing?

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Originally Posted by severncity

I was merely pointing out that since the Brexit referendum, manufacturing employment has increased in the U.K.

You have pointed out that since the U.K.’s accession to the EEC/EU manufacturing employment has been reduced by nearly two thirds. Do you still believe that the our membership of the EU is good for manufacturing?

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And do you think manufacturing has decreased because we were members of the EU rather than decisions made by our own Government?

Do you think our manufacturing industry is going to thrive after brexit, despite numerous manufacturing companies closing down or relocating because of brexit?

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Originally Posted by severncity

I was merely pointing out that since the Brexit referendum, manufacturing employment has increased in the U.K.

You have pointed out that since the U.K.’s accession to the EEC/EU manufacturing employment has been reduced by nearly two thirds. Do you still believe that the our membership of the EU is good for manufacturing?

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:hehe: Jesus this messageboard must have the record for clueless people pretending they know what they’re talking about.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You are totally lacking in confidence, and are reliant on a bunch of charlatans to control your destiny.

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The biggest one is about to take control of the country after previously writing an article I support of the EU prior to his about face.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

And do you think manufacturing has decreased because we were members of the EU rather than decisions made by our own Government?

Do you think our manufacturing industry is going to thrive after brexit, despite numerous manufacturing companies closing down or relocating because of brexit?

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Why are you so terrified of a post-brexit Britain?

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

:hehe: Jesus this messageboard must have the record for clueless people pretending they know what they’re talking about.

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I can see it's an alien concept to you :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

The biggest one is about to take control of the country after previously writing an article I support of the EU prior to his about face.

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He will also have to survive a general election, which won't be too far away.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Why are you so terrified of a post-brexit Britain?

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Because we're part of a number of institutions through the EU that would have to be replaced without, currently, the skills required and lead by politicians who argue that Ireland can be negotiated in an "implementation period" that wouldn't exist without a deal or that Article 24 can be used if we crash out with a no deal - they don't understand our membership of the EU or don't want us to understand it.

TL:DR Brexit is a massive job and those currently pushing for it, and those wanting to lead it, are incompetent, corrupt or a mixture of the two.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

The damage was done over many years by EU, Labour and Conservative politicians. We need to reinvent ourselves, a fresh start with a new approach is what is required.

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Reinvent yourselves? As what? How are you going to be competitive?

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Originally Posted by surge

Because we're part of a number of institutions through the EU that would have to be replaced without, currently, the skills required and lead by politicians who argue that Ireland can be negotiated in an "implementation period" that wouldn't exist without a deal or that Article 24 can be used if we crash out with a no deal - they don't understand our membership of the EU or don't want us to understand it.

TL:DR Brexit is a massive job and those currently pushing for it, and those wanting to lead it, are incompetent, allegedly corrupt or a mixture of the two.

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Adjusted for you. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Reinvent yourselves? As what? How are you going to be competitive?

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The level of defeatism on here is off the scale.

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Originally Posted by surge

Because we're part of a number of institutions through the EU that would have to be replaced without, currently, the skills required and lead by politicians who argue that Ireland can be negotiated in an "implementation period" that wouldn't exist without a deal or that Article 24 can be used if we crash out with a no deal - they don't understand our membership of the EU or don't want us to understand it.

TL:DR Brexit is a massive job and those currently pushing for it, and those wanting to lead it, are incompetent, corrupt or a mixture of the two.

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Wow, I won't be able to sleep tonight, it's so scary!

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You are totally lacking in confidence, and are reliant on a bunch of charlatans to control your destiny.

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Point us in the direction of a Billy Brit who has been doing as you claim others are scared of. Dyson perhaps? Nice new pad in Singapore.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

The level of defeatism on here is off the scale.

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It's called realism. If you're so positive, come up with a few answers.

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

Well that's the idea.
The EU effectively allocated economic activity in different member countries in order to make it difficult for any one country to manage on its own.

Germany got the engineering, France got agriculture and we're supposed to cut each other's hair and deliver pizzas to each other.

We've lost the confidence and ability to do a lot of stuff during the EU period, but it can soon return. What can immediately happen is that Agriculture and the fishing industries can flourish without the constraints of EU policies, as will the secondary economic activities around them.

Let's not forget that our own home market for goods is a considerable one and the sooner we re establish manufacturing the sooner we can profit from that, and at the same time slow the outward flow of money from our economy.

The very first thing we should do after leaving is to encourage people to buy British and help British industry to fulfill that demand.
If the German led power bloc known as the EU want to exclude themselves from a marketplace of sixty million people in their latest historical attempt to dominate Europe , well then so be it, and we must exploit that market place.

Our current politicians are weak and unused to the running of an independent nation so they doubt their ability to do so, and conversely the Germans have forgotten apparently that we might occasionally fail to cringe before their attempts to bully us into submission.

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Good lord. Astonishing

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Up yours! RonnieBird speaks sense. China don't have our best interests at heart, their long-term goal is world domination. They were bribing leading politicians who are also on the globalist bandwagon. The USA realised this, and they are seeking to readdress the trade imbalances that would have seen communist China become the dominant superpower.

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Thank you for the support there Wales Bales.
I must say I wondered what I'd let myself in for , because I honestly don't think I'd said anything terrible.

Actually , when I thought it through I realised I'd misunderstood - you see I'd assumed that the other chatter's screen name referred to the French player we had, but perhaps it's a clever parody account based upon the gimmick that he's just very very rude without any apparent reason.
I must apologise then to Mon. Gestède - I'm sorry Rudey , now that I see the pun I can appreciate your humour, which is a bit like where Ali G meets Monty Python I suppose .

Anyway, having cleared that up, I think you put the situation regarding Globalism, ( sorry if that word has triggered anyone), very well and succinctly , Wales Bales.